Topic: The Wowowee Tragedy at Ultra: Your thoughts on the incident

[Excalibur]

What if there is obvious danger of injury to the public because of disorder, shouldn't the police step in and restore peace and order?

correct.
what i gathered is that the police were the ones responsible for the traffic management and crime prevention outside venue. traffic management & crime prevention is definitely about peace and order.

but when it comes to formulating, organizing and implementing the system of crowd entry,
abs (and ultra?) was the one responsible for it. (i think the MOA stated it).
since the police were not invited nor informed about the implementation of crowd entry system,
it was obvious that the police could not and should not participate in this activity
as this may lead to confusion and non-coordination.

simply put, wowowee anniversary is like a giant party.
whatever happens at the party is the responsibility of the host.

[Excalibur]

Precisely! How could anyone predicted that? There is no historical basis that Pinoys will risk their lives just to get a ticket... thats the exact point in that situation.

Good point

Assuming that abs did all that they can do to forsee all the possible mishaps...

If the argument holds true that ignorance is not an excuse to a homicide,
i believe this argument could also be used in the case of the wowowee tragedy.
(At this point, the court/s will decide if abs is liable for the deaths after the case is filed)

In addition...

Managers are paid at a premium not only because of their knowledge and experience
but also because they are EXPECTED to make the RIGHT DECISIONS.

Managers are set apart from the staff (and even the masa) because
they know how to decide and execute things effectively and efficiently.

Managers should not make excuses if they made a wrong decision
because anybody can make an excuse. Para saan pa na naging manager sila?
"Covering Your Ass" as a work philosophy are practiced by WEAK MANAGERS and LEADERS.

When GOOD MANAGERS or LEADERS make a wrong decision,
i believe they adhere to COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY.
(and i respected gabby lopez for what he did on national tv)

[Excalibur]

That's right, bosing.

It's easy to say what ABS should have done  --  now that a stampede has already claimed many lives.  Did you hear anyone say anything before it happened? 

You know what they say about 20/20 hindsight:  "Everyone's a genius after the fact".

i believe this is called "history".

a "genius" analyze how things happened so they can learn from it.

it is up to us on how we will approach the lessons of history:
would we choose to
1. have a "genius" who will tell us what had happened and how it can be prevented ? OR
2. have someone who is angry and not tell us how it can be prevented?

(who would you pick?)

i agree that it is easy to point out what should have been done.
we can not do anything about the past.
but we can do something about the present and the future.

[ralfy]

Here are some things that I read about the incident:

The crowd was stepping over the bodies and insisting on entering the stadium. Inside, as the host was crying, the audience insisted on continuing the show. Several members of the audience are not poor and are balikbayans.

The show has returned because of increasing demand from television viewers wanting it returned. Again, some of these viewers are not impoverished.

The number of Filipinos, both rich and poor, who support the show appear to overwhelm those who are critical of it. Many who make money from the show as sponsors or who work with broadcasters are part of the middle class.

There appears to be more to this than desperation due to poverty, the need to make a profit, mismanagement, lack of discipline, and so on. For example, the original title of this thread ("entertaining ourselves to death") may allude to Postman's book Amusing Ourselves to Death, and many apply not only to those who are addicted to this game show but also to those who are addicted to other forms of television entertainment, such as U.S. sitcoms, dramas, and sports.

[thegoodbyeguy]

     Whatever happened to Ultra Stampede? Has justice been served?

[m0b1u5]

and a new one... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ

 

[bumblebee]

DoJ clears TV host Willie Revillame in Pasig stampede
August 24, 2007
Updated 13:55:31 (Mla time)
Tetch Torres
INQUIRER.net


MANILA, Philippines -- The Department of Justice (DoJ) has absolved comedian Willie Revillame from any liability in connection with the Feb. 4, 2006 stampede at the Philippine Sports Arena in Pasig City.

The incident left 71 people dead and more than 600 injured.

In a resolution, Justice Secretary Raul Gonzalez granted Revillame's appeal and dismissed the case of reckless imprudence resulting in multiple homicide and multiple physical injuries filed against him for lack of probable cause.

Gonzalez ordered the DoJ prosecutors to withdraw the case against Revillame and report their compliance within 10 days.

Revillame said the three episodes of the show "Wowowee" where he had asked people to go to the PhilSports Arena had been pre-taped, negating a resolution that held him liable for inviting more even when he had known that there were thousands waiting outside.

The stampede occurred as people who were camped for days outside the PhilSports Arena to attend the first anniversary of the popular noontime show pushed each other to get in.

Only Revillame was absolved because he was the only one who filed an appeal.

[frootloops]

and a new one... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZb58E8rhGQ

 

What a shame! 

He's a filthy little liar anyway.

[thegoodbyeguy]

      Nakalusot na naman si Kolokoy! I believe what one relative of a victim said in news, he is the one who vehemently encouraged the 'masa' to join him and play in Wowowee, not the people behind-the-camera so he should also be included! My sister used to watch Wowowee in TFC pero nawalan na rin ng gana dahil paawa effect si Willie. Hindi na siya nakaka-Willie.