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DVD-busters: HD-DVD, Blu-ray discs and EVD
« on: Feb 20, 2002 at 12:37 PM »
Just when you thought that DVD-RWs are good enough they had to develop something newer (again). At least they're ALL backing this one unlike the DVD-whatever mess we're struggling right now.



Blu-ray Disc technology uses blue-violet lasers as opposed to the standard red to achieve a mind-boggling 27GB worth of optical storage space. They're even aiming at stretching it to 30GB for single layer and 50GB for a double layer. This translates to 13hrs worth of MPEG2-quality video as opposed to DVD's 2hrs and 13min limit.

This'll be a boon for people working with uncompressed video.

The dirty tech bits can be found here
http://www.matsucrapa.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en020219-4/en020219-4.html

Layman's explanation can be found here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_media/newsid_1829000/1829241.stm

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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #1 on: Feb 21, 2002 at 08:51 PM »
Here's another article (from TechTV) that reported the agreement on the blue-laser standard that was reached by major electronics manufacturers including Pioneer, Sony and Philips.

http://www.techtv.com/news/computing/story/0,24195,3372689,00.html

Hopefully, blu-ray DVD players will be backward compatible to red laser DVDs.
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #2 on: Feb 21, 2002 at 08:58 PM »
Hi Dviant!

Thanks for the news and links. They even chose a fortuitous date to announce it - 20.02.2002 or 02/20/2002, a date we won't see again.

This I guess marks the beginning of the end of DVD as we know it, too bad, our current players will not ??? be compatible with this new technology. :'(

With this announcement, we may also begin to see DVD prices going down as manufacturers gear up to take advantage of this format in the next few years and try to get rid of their "to become obsolete" DVD's. ;D
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #3 on: Feb 23, 2002 at 11:47 AM »
I don't think it will really make DVD obsolete since it will be using the same format MPEG2.  Besides, the current DVD9 disc dual layers capacity are sufficient to hold enough data of a movie.  And another thing is that there's DVD18 which is a 4 layered DVD disc if more capacity is required.







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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #4 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 02:10 AM »
of course it won't make dvd obsolete. pero with its greater disc capacity, it can hold an entire movie in HDTV quality compared to what we get now from dvd.
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #5 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 02:49 AM »
Maybe this format will go the way of S-VHS or DAT, be popular among the pros, but beyond the reach of the consumer market. Besides, DVD has established too much of a foothold to be that easily shaken off.
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #6 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 02:59 AM »
For me I think it is only over hype for now... I think it would fade away.
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #7 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 04:50 AM »
With this new technology will we be seeing DVD movie compilations of trilogies on one disk?  Imagine the whole starwars saga on a single disk COOL! :o
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #8 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 04:49 PM »
Can't help but think, What would be the feeling of having a scratched blu-ray disc with your favorite movies in it. ::)
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #9 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 06:57 PM »

The developers must have thought of it too, that's probably why the Blu-ray disc comes in a cartridge. :)
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #10 on: Feb 24, 2002 at 08:57 PM »
I thought they put it in cartridge for recording and playback stability. :)
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #11 on: Feb 25, 2002 at 12:26 AM »
Cut and paste from the Matsushi-ta article (See Dviant's Topic Post for link)

"Blu-ray Disc" Key Characteristics
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3) Easy to use disc cartridge:
 
An easy to use optical disc cartridge protects the optical disc's recording and playback phase from dust and fingerprints.
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #12 on: Feb 26, 2002 at 06:39 PM »
Demmit!
Kabago-bago pa lang ng DVD sa kin, meron na namang i-introduce na blue-ray chu-chu!!!
Aaarrrggghhh!!!
Ibalik nyo na lang ang Beta at Laser discs!!!
On a serious note, this blue ray thingie will just about start the real life trend for games( consoles or PC ) that everyone was dreaming of.
Ooohhh. Virtual Jenna Jameson!!!
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #13 on: Feb 26, 2002 at 11:01 PM »
So, this measn Pinoydvd.com would now be pinoyblueray.com (Pangit)!! :'(
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #14 on: Mar 03, 2002 at 12:45 AM »
Here's an excerpt from a Video Business Online article<=click for full article  :)

Green light for Blu-ray seems far off

By Daniel Frankel

MARCH 1 | The agreement announced last month by nine electronics companies for a new high-definition DVD standard--the Blu-ray Disc technology (VB, 2-25)--most likely won't be in consumer products any time soon. And it appears improbable that all of the major consumer electronics companies will be on board with the standard.

Matsushi-ta Electric Corp. of America officials admit that "it's hard to predict" when the first Blu-ray disc players and recorders will hit stores. In fact, a spokesman for the member company said the group was only 90% finished with the specifications for the technology, which uses an extremely fine blue-light laser to access data that is miniaturized more than that of conventional DVDs.

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8)===================== 8)


This to me looks like the home video people have sat up and taken notice of this (not that it caught them sleeping ;)), some may still be asleep and may catch the boat a little later. But in a world of quick communication, it seems unlikely that this is the case. It may be more likely that they are less willing to invest in this dynamic technology when they have hit a relative gold mine with DVD's.

It seems inevitable that the change from DVD red laser to blu-ray will happen and will be embraced by the general consumer who provide the bread and butter profits, the question is when. ???

My fearless shameless :-[ opinion is that blu-ray is bound to happen in the second part of this decade (2005 onwards), simply because movie companies still derive a good return on their DVD investment. Besides, consumers may not be all too willing to take in this new technology immediately. But then, I could be wrong and we could wake up to a world a few months from now where DVD's can be added to the roster of Betamax and Laser Disc. :-[

More of my unsolicited 2 cents... :-X
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #15 on: Mar 03, 2002 at 11:57 AM »
It looks like the DVD Forum's sticking with a modified red-laser-based system for low-bit-rate compression for high-definition DVD (HD-DVD).

Source: http://www.cdr-info.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=2098

Though they assure that each format has it's specific uses I fear that Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD might be another Betamax vs VHS format war. :(
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #16 on: Mar 05, 2002 at 03:21 AM »
This is good for the economy.. merong development and it means spending which will trigger more employment..
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Re: DVD Killer: Blu-ray Disc
« Reply #17 on: Mar 15, 2002 at 08:57 AM »
heres a comparison chart for the next generation of digital video disks :)



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D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #18 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 08:42 AM »
Hey guys!!! Read this!!!

Got this from:

http://www.videobusiness.com/news/012902_dvhs_studios.asp

but decided to copy/paste the whole thing so that you can read it once.
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Four studios throw weight behind D-VHS

By Paul Sweeting

JAN. 29 | Fox, Universal, DreamWorks and Artisan will announce on Wednesday the release of the first high-definition movies for the home video market, but it won't be on DVD.

Using an advanced video technology similar to HDTV, the studios are turning back to a format that appeared to be losing favor with consumers: the videocassette.

The four companies will begin bowing an ongoing slate of high-definition movies on VHS in June based on the new Digital-VHS format developed by hardware maker JVC that can also record HDTV signals from TV broadcasts.

Among the first films to get the new treatment will be Independence Day, Die Hard and X-Men from Fox; U-571 from Universal; and the two Terminator movies from Artisan. DreamWorks has not identified its first titles to be released.

Broadcasters have been dragging their feet on HDTV. This move for some of the vertically integrated film studios that have ties to broadcast concerns is aimed at giving a boost to that fledgling market.

At the very least, each believes that the new D-VHS addresses a niche market that it feels will grow in the coming years. It also offers consumers a new machine that also will play their existing library of videocassettes.

"The first titles will be ones that really benefit from high definition," Fox Consumer Products president Patricia Wyatt said. "People who have HDTV sets and home theater systems have invested a lot of money, and I think the new format provides some great content for them to really show off their high-end systems."

The move is already sparking controversy from executives at other studios who worry that the introduction of a new digital home video format just as DVDs are exploding in popularity will produce confusion and hesitation among consumers. That could cause a slowdown in sales of the fastest-selling consumer electronics product ever.

D-VHS offers more than twice the picture resolution of DVD. But disc proponents dismiss any perceived advantages to D-VHS as being short-term and not significant enough to overcome the inherent disadvantages of tape-based formats.

"D-VHS suffers from all the limitations inherited from a tape-based format, such as random access, additional languages, enhanced content, all the things that have made DVD such a popular format for consumers," said Marsha King, executive VP of new business development and business affairs at Warner Home Video.

Recording TV programs will be no easier than with any other VCR, WHV president Warren Lieberfarb said. "[Digital video recorders] such as TiVo have already leap-frogged tape-based time-shifting, so D-VHS is already obsolete even before it arrives."

Warner does not plan to release movies in D-VHS. Neither does Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment.

"As far as we're concerned, D-VHS is not a commercial product," CTHE president Ben Feingold said. "The enormous success of DVD leads us to believe, both intuitively and practically, that there's a strong preference for a disc-based product."

But D-VHS supporters see no conflict between the formats.

"This is really incremental technology, addressing a relatively small niche," Artisan Home Entertainment president Steve Beeks said. "I don't really think it will have any impact on the DVD market."

Others stress that even D-VHS supporters have no interest in undermining the DVD business.

"We love DVD," Wyatt said. "It's the golden goose. This [D-VHS] is directly targeted at the HD household. Those people are the most avid consumers of entertainment, and they'll continue buying DVDs as well as D-VHS."

Although both D-VHS and DVDs store movies digitally, D-VHS can pack far more data onto a standard-size tape than can fit on DVDs. DVDs are capable of better picture quality than standard VHS, but they can't store high-definition images.

High-definition DVD is being worked on, but the technology is five to seven years off, according to studio executives who have been briefed on it. That leaves the field open for D-VHS as the only format capable of recording and playing back high-definition content.

D-VHS actually records at a higher bit-rate than the U.S. HDTV standard, producing even higher quality images than HDTV broadcasts.

"You have consumers today who would love to have a high-definition alternative, and we have nothing to offer them," Universal Studios Home Video president Craig Kornblau said. "High-definition DVD isn't going to be here for several years, but with D-VHS, we can offer those consumers a high-definition alternative."

Still others in Hollywood remain ambivalent toward the new format.

"We have no immediate plans to release any titles in this format," Buena Vista Home Entertainment president Robert Chapek said.

Paramount Home Entertainment executives could not be reached for comment.

The new format is the brainchild of JVC, which developed the original analog VHS format that's now being overtaken by DVD.

The new format uses the same size cassettes and many of the same mechanical features as the original, and the new players are compatible with older VHS cassettes.

The machines have been available in limited numbers from JVC and Mitsubishi for two years, primarily as a home recording format for HDTV broadcast and satellite signals.

Although JVC has been talking to Hollywood about movies to support the format since its introduction, the studios were reluctant to release anything in high-definition until adequate copy-protection encryption could be developed, particularly in the wake of widespread hacking of DVDs.

At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas this month, JVC bowed its new D-Theater copy-protection system, which it claims is superior to the Content Scrambling System used on DVDs.

"We would only put out HD product if we were absolutely guaranteed that it would be fully copy-protected," Kornblau said. "Frankly, that's why it's taken so long. We had to get comfortable with the copy protection."

How much product the studios will ultimately release remains uncertain.

Wyatt said Fox is open to the idea of issuing new releases in D-VHS simultaneously with DVD and standard VHS but isn't ready to commit to that strategy.

Said DreamWorks head of worldwide video Kelly Avery: "We'll have to see how the market takes off before we decide on a strategy for new releases. For now, we're looking for titles that really play into this format."

Only D-VHS players equipped with the new D-Theater circuitry will be able to play movies in high-definition. Earlier machines, without the system, will play older VHS cassettes but can't decode the encrypted high-definition cassettes.

The market for high-definition movies is likely to be tiny at first. The number of households with HDTV sets in the U.S. stands at about 2 million and is projected to reach 4 million by 2003.

JVC is hoping to sell 100,000 D-VHS players within the first year, according to consumer video division VP Jerry Barbera.

JVC has only one machine on the market, priced at $1,995, but plans to bow at least one more this year.

Barbera said JVC expects that, with the introduction of high-definition movies, other hardware makers will also begin to push the format.



Just my two cents worth...

For know, I think our investments will be safe as very few companies plan to make the move (for now). But it becomes a wait and see situation for all of us right now. So don't think of tossing away those DVDs yet!!!

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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #19 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 09:56 AM »
Hmmmm...interesting...
better video..Great! :D
rewinding and fastforwarding tapes again...Bummer! >:(

i'll pass  8)

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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #20 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 10:57 AM »
Tape format again? no thanks..
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #21 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 06:34 PM »
Yup,
guys tape again, so who will help once the tape winds into the head and destroys your copy.
also, the once interested in this format are the once who have not fully embraced the dvd technology like Fox, Dreamworks and Universal (who releases many copies of the same film to con us consumers).
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #22 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 06:41 PM »
I've read that the D-VHS tapes are going to be priced REALLY high. So the format is definitely not competing with DVD. Looks like this format might go the way of DAT. Or if its unluckier, maybe even DCC (anyone remember this format? I know where you can still buy a player for it!).
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #23 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 08:48 PM »
hmmm ???.. interesting...

do we we have to deal with another fungi problem growing inside this tape format (again) ???

but who knows...?
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #24 on: Jan 31, 2002 at 10:48 PM »
okay...at the count of 3, everyone take one step backward :D

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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #25 on: Feb 01, 2002 at 03:37 PM »
D-VHS?  It'll get nothing from me.  I think JVC is trying to produce another format so as to be the pioneer of it coz in the DVD or HT hardware, they didn't top sales.  I guess they didn't really make good money out of it.  Being the first in the new format with the first to have the hardware, they would expect people to buy everything from them to hopefully boost their sales.  Again, it is a marketing ploy.

Regarding piracy,  there will come a time that this format will also be pirated.  Its just like Yin and Yang...there must always be an equalizer.  Everybody thought DVD won't be copied/pirated but what can those people say now?  Money spent on making a new format would be equalled with money to spend for piracy.  It's just an event that goes over and over again.

DVD is here to stay... ;D

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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #26 on: Feb 01, 2002 at 08:21 PM »
Update guys!!!

check this out!!!

http://digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

and

http://www.jvc.com/featured_product.jsp?modelId=MODL026758

As far as the guy who worte this is concerned, this format won't replace DVD. And I don't think I'll be a fan of this format as it has no extras/special features whatsoever. And it was exactly the special features and stuff like that, that got me hooked on DVDs. If you ask me, it's like trying to take a step back... just my 2 cents worth. Besides, you need an HDTV and the D-VHS player unit itself costs an incredible $1995!!!  :o
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #27 on: Feb 02, 2002 at 11:26 AM »
thanks himura_drew...
digital bits gives a very detailed review of this new product...

i know this will not replace the dvd format..but what caught my attention is its ability to record high definition broadcast.

i doubt if the philippines is going to adopt HDTV, but here in the states, all tv stations are required to adopt to hdtv by 2005. and the current vcr that we all have right now, is not compatible with high def. broadcast, and will not be able to record it...

so this is where d-vhs market comes in...its ability to record high definition broadcast...

but i'll wait...i'm sure dvd-r or hd-dvd will also come out with their version for recording high definition broadcast

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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #28 on: Feb 03, 2002 at 05:00 PM »
I'm an open minded person. ??? And I will surely try this [re] format if:
 It has interactive menu.
 It has chapter index
 It can jump scene in less than 5 sec.
 I don't have to rewind to watch it again.
 the tape can fit on my dvd amaray case.
 They will release Voltes V and Godzilla series.

Would you like to add some more? ;D ;D ;D
 
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Re: D-VHS: New Format To Challenge DVD?
« Reply #29 on: Feb 05, 2002 at 06:06 AM »
;D ;D  Barrid,

short to say. AYAW ko!!  ;D ;D
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