Topic: diy & other tube-related bargain find*

[oweidah]

sirs,
need solicited advice suggestions recommendation sa tube rolling
anybody got info (sonic signature?) /user experience on the following preamp tubes?

1. DUMONT (usa) 5814a - nos
2. HEWLETT PACKARD made by Sylvania (usa) 5814a - nos
3. Philips ecg 5963 (dec.1982)

available @ spin electronics tel#s531-2029 ; 717-0947 to 48 * price=275php/tube
#64 kanlaon street,mandaluyong city near shaw mrt station (side na papunta makati) & at the back of richville hotel-

appreciate your replies

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edit: meron din 12au7a cleartops labelled honeywell u.s.a. u may wanna check it out (07.21.06 1712h)

also some unpaired 6sn7 and 3pairs 12sn7 and around 30pcs nos sylvania 5751 (08.01.06 0900h)

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*renamed title as per new_age suggestion 08/06/06 

[Superman]

pare, meron pa ba niyang HP 5814a tsaka dumont?? baka pwede pabili...thanks!

PS: for me a sylvania 5814 is sweet sounding...try also an RCA 5963 blackplate triple mica, very detailed...thanks!

[oweidah]

pare, meron pa ba niyang HP 5814a tsaka dumont?? baka pwede pabili...thanks!

PS: for me a sylvania 5814 is sweet sounding...try also an RCA 5963 blackplate triple mica, very detailed...thanks!

superman
yes i got rca 5963 blackplates from spin electronics kangina.
dami pa stock hp by sylvania, dumont at philips ecg nos. malapit sa MRT station@shaw blvd. (#64 kanlaon st. mandaluyong ct) baka may kilala ka malapit doon.

[Superman]

THANKS BRO!

[marty_e]

"DuMont" branded 5814a is most likely Sylvania as well.

[oweidah]

thanx for info marty_e...

read that some tv,computer companies contracted sylvania rca ge etc to make tubes for their exclusive use. tinatakan lang nila ng silkscreen like the HP - hewlett packard made by sylvania usa. ayos yun- double quality control!

regards.

[JojoD818]

available @ spin electronics tel#s531-2029 ; 717-0947 to 48 * price=275php/tube

malapit sa MRT station@shaw blvd. (#64 kanlaon st. mandaluyong ct)

I'm sure tuwang-tuwa ang may-ari ng shop na ito sa iyo Rene.    

 

[oweidah]

I'm sure tuwang-tuwa ang may-ari ng shop na ito sa iyo Rene.    

 

si sir jojod tlaga oh. sharing info lang. hehehe
kaw nga soler boy halukay ube tubes saan ba doon? haba soler eh.
pwede din gamit ikaw para baba productioncost 12au7based preamps?

[JojoD818]

si sir jojod tlaga oh. sharing info lang. hehehe
kaw nga soler boy halukay ube tubes saan ba doon? haba soler eh.
pwede din gamit ikaw para baba productioncost 12au7based preamps?

baba production cost? bakit taas ba? yun friend mo from binondo gumagawa ng mas mura preamp diba? (hint... hint...) sa evangelista Php100 lang ganyan sir - ayan sharing info lang din - sugod na!

[oweidah]

baba production cost? bakit taas ba? yun friend mo from binondo gumagawa ng mas mura preamp diba? (hint... hint...) sa evangelista Php100 lang ganyan sir - ayan sharing info lang din - sugod na!

di ko alam going rates now,pakiusap lang yung tube preamp ko (wala kasi ako budget).
i've had my fill (of tubes) thats enough for the customary tube-rolling.
let the others benefit. thats also part of this hobby di ba?

[Jairus]

Pa share naman sir kung saan sa Evangelista 

[MAtZTER]

Bakit pa kelangan pumunta ng Evangelista? Ang ganda naman ng gawa ni Jojo!

Kay Jojo na lang kayo magpagawa! 

[JojoD818]

di ko alam going rates now,pakiusap lang yung tube preamp ko (wala kasi ako budget).
i've had my fill (of tubes) thats enough for the customary tube-rolling.
let the others benefit. thats also part of this hobby di ba?

dyan ako bilib sa iyo oweidah, you may not be a businessman but you sure are an ambasador.
tama ka, let the others benefit so keep posting more locations of these secret suppliers for us. Yan din mga supplier ng mga bigtime manufacturers dito diba?

Bakit pa kelangan pumunta ng Evangelista? Ang ganda naman ng gawa ni Jojo!

Kay Jojo na lang kayo magpagawa!

Thanks for the kind words MatZ. 

[oweidah]

dyan ako bilib sa iyo oweidah, you may not be a businessman but you sure are an ambasador.
tama ka, let the others benefit so keep posting more locations of these secret suppliers for us. Yan din mga supplier ng mga bigtime manufacturers dito diba?

thanks for the complement. coming from you, i feel humbled & honored.

but credit should go to a simple young-at-heart guy who whispered into my ears, just like my barber would when giving me the latest gossip around while massaging my neck with berum tonic. he recalled the good old days of pnoy audio that somewhere out there in old san juan used to exist a certain crystal semiconductors (and a certain orion elec. @taft/baclaran area now). sayang latak na lang ang audio tubes coz a few months ago, some "moneyed" guys pacquiaoed the tubes. i believe narinig din nung nakasabay ko names that were mentioned

tama ka, let the others benefit so keep posting more locations of these secret suppliers for us. Yan din mga supplier ng mga bigtime manufacturers dito diba?

sensia na, natisod ko supplier nyo...sowee

ambassador? reminds me of mabini and massage parlors days
you should reorient me with the secret goodtime places around chinatown. wala na un champion at coronet eh.

i believe there are audiophiles out there, esp. newbies who may wanna experience the "tube sound" but may be hesitant (like me) coz aside from having limited or no knowledge of valve amplification/pre; they also dont know where to buy relatively cheap tubes. same with those budding diy guys & vintage guys looking for cheap spare parts.

as you have commendably done, you've made "tube sound' affordable to the music lovers. you've reached out and touched the lives of many who are now enjoying the sweet sound of tubes in their homes. you have curved your niche in the pinoy audio scene and jd labs would long be remembered by the next generation of pinoy audiophiles.

cheers!!!

[JojoD818]

Well, call it what you like, you are still one hell of a persuasive guy. From t-amp casing to tube preamp, you probably have the talent a running politician should have - the power to convince. 

It's true that there are a lot of new guys around, the good thing is that they are lucky to have someone like you pointing them in the right direction. I remember when I first posted a question on a local forum asking where to get  parts etc... not one, not even one replied with a straight answer.  that was a very frustrating moment indeed so I took all my intelligence capabilities in an effort to find where is where. Then lo and behold this bigshot audio guy slapped me in the head and said, if you want to know a secret you must pose as if you can keep a secret. You can't run around telling this and that like a (as you mentioned) barber with the latest gossip for this can bring down the local industry (I asked why, he didn't answered). We are already struggling with the competition from china made gears and these other guy who are selling them dirt cheap. Instead of lowering and beating everyone's prices, pagalingan na lang tayo - magpagandahan ng gawa, after he said that he scribbled on a small paper and gave it to me then he said. You don't want to be responsible for bringing down the industry right? It's now up to you if you want to be a part of the solution or a part of the problem.

That was about four years ago, and I haven't seen that guy again.

ambassador? reminds me of mabini and massage parlors days Grin
you should reorient me with the secret goodtime places around chinatown. wala na un champion at coronet eh.

what secret places?  try merchant hotel.

after having your r&r... from time to time in front of that hotel is a vendor with a "kariton" (he has to be mobile and haul ass anytime because of the cops) of surplus parts including 100 peso 6189 tubes - a 12au7 substitute. there, I said it again. darn it!

[oweidah]

merchant - yan b yun sa may arranque? yeah that infamous recto stretch...

its 2006 everythings on the net & d chinese dragon has awaken.
everythings going chinese. whether their govt condones piracy (fakes); reality is just look around and its even featured in one local tv-show where those 168 goods come from.

sakit ng ulo maski mga hi-end audio players in europe and u.s lahat nakokopya. kaya yung ibang nagsa-subcontract sa china pinababalik muna nila sa states para palitan ng tamang piyesa na ayaw nila pakopya/paalam sa chinese oem.
read sidebar d2- http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/genesis3/i60.html

what industry is that guy referring to? o baka HIS interest lang?
yan naman ibang pinoy politikos at biznessmen, akala mo kung magsalita very patriotic, yun pala pinoprotektahan lang sariling bizness interests :'(

as to state of pinoy audio....no comment. my leaps are silled
sana lang marami pang kagaya nyo ni sir andrew/amx ws mang rod jojod para umusbong ang industriang pinoy

[Voltraizer]

bilib ako sa usapan dniyo dito...very transparent, neutral and revealing

[oweidah]

bilib ako sa usapan dniyo dito...very transparent, neutral and revealing

oonga eh...hope i didnt open a micro-mini-pandoras box???
nagtatanong lang p0h tungkol sa 3 tube brands.

[JojoD818]

merchant - yan b yun sa may arranque? yeah that infamous recto stretch...

its 2006 everythings on the net & d chinese dragon has awaken.
everythings going chinese.

what industry is that guy referring to? o baka HIS interest lang?

yes yes, that's the one.

everything is going chinese because it's cheap, not because of the dragon or whatever. in fairness, I really liked those silky-white skin tones chinese women have. oh well.

took me a while to understand it but it's really a business thingy. if you want in and know their secrets you have to think like they do, and that's why you won't understand. heck, you even question HIS interests, you know why? because like many, you are an end-user/consumer who wanted to stretch the power of the peso, and so, goes to great lengths to find and share this wonders.




OT:

A man's car broke down in the middle of the night. and so he finds a mechanic and asks him to look at his car. The mechanic said "What seems to be the problem?", the guy replied, "It just won't start, I checked everything from the battery to the gas etc.".

And so the mechanic stoppped for a while and thinks... and then tooks out a screwdriver and fiddles with the carb and said "OK, try it now".

To this guy's relief, his car started now and so asked the mechanic "How much do I owe you buddy?", the mechanic said "Oh that would be Php2K.", the guy so surprised said "What?!? You only used a screwdriver, you didn't even bought any spare part and now your asking two thousand bucks?!".

Moral of the story? Just read between the lines. 

[JojoD818]

bilib ako sa usapan dniyo dito...very transparent, neutral and revealing

neutral and revealing, para bang audio? 

[oweidah]

aint no ralphnader but its the consumer vs. bizness perspective of things.
sa hirap ng buhay ngaun, many of us just really wana stretch d buck. kung may mura why not? yes quality sometimes, oftentimes suffer.

[JojoD818]

want to stretch it further? then go directly to the source like you are doing and build it yourself. but when you do, you may want to wear a Kevlar body armor.

it doesn't take a ralph nader to figure it out if you are in the business perspective of things.

a local pharmaceutical excecutive once told me... consumers are much like businessmen, most of the time they are selfish and only think about themselves. politicians on the other hand thinks with great effort on how to impose tax on both businessmen and consumers.

most audio consumers wanted to go tubes but the problem is they don't know how - when in fact the question they should be asking is not how, but why.


happy tube rolling

[oweidah]

samut-sari::

goto the source? no can do sir, i believe r.i.p na ang rca sylvania dumont et al kaya nga nos na lang so forget about going to the source. and i dont even have the basic skill of soldering, im not a diy guy. id rather let those kabayan ofws "security guys" in iraq wear the kevlars. they need it more.

consumers hard-earned mullah yun eh. wonder why despite not really being accessible and security friendly, people still go to divisoria?

sa "firstworld-country" as in u.s. mahigpit sila sa intellectual property rights and they protect it zealously but sa "thirdworld-country"like us? hohoho dbdbdbd all over

people have their own reasons why they chose ss or tubes. whatever it is, i respect their decision, i leave it at that. i believe that you yourself were an ss/ gainclone guy not too long ago. di ba? so, why switch to valves?

[oweidah]

kung natuwa man sa akin ang may-ari ng spin elec. eh latak na lang yun, may nauna na pumacquiao ng mga audio-related tubes nila.

siguro mas masaya yung mangilan-ngilang pinoydvd members (kung meron man) na merong 12au7-based amps/preamp, nag-benefit sa simpleng post ko-though it was not really intended that way. naghahanap lang ako ng feedback sa tatlong tube brands/model. imagine NOS tube at 275pesos@. tube-roll na!

regarding info sharing here or in other forums. i believe some of our esteemed members, have time and again shared sources esp. in the diy- where to buy this where this service is available etc. wala silang vested interest kundi makatulong sa kapwa. di nila hangad na kornerin ang merkado. everybody happy.

i remember that there was someone in another forum? that mentioned a stash of tubes that existed in a small junkshop-like store owned  by a chinese. he even gave the location and added that the owner said that he has more tubes at his home. whether that info was true or not, i dont know. or who benefited from that info, maybe some people made (lots of) money out of it. but walang industriang bumagsak !!! 

ewan ko lang, pasensia kung may natapakan pala ako, o baka di pa natatapakan, umaray na?
to some, it may seem somebody rang the alarm bells. for me, no big deal. its much ado about nothing 


*btw...may nakita akong mga malaking heat sinks[/u]din sa spin elec.  baka mapakinabangan ng diy peeps out there

[old_age]

rene,

never mind what they say...just keep on searching for inexpensive alternatives for this hobby to grow. Selfishness is not a virtue...mabilis ang karma.

GO GO GO!  Post some more stores with way cheap prices!

Mabuhay ka!

[oweidah]

rene,

never mind what they say...just keep on searching for inexpensive alternatives for this hobby to grow. Selfishness is not a virtue...mabilis ang karma.

GO GO GO!  Post some more stores with way cheap prices!

Mabuhay ka!

  tnx 

[Weng!]

bai,

sana naka pacquiao ka rin para sayo nalang ako bibili

thanks for sharing the info. this will make a poor boy (like me) experience and own a tubo sound without breaking the bank.

[oweidah]

bai,

sana naka pacquiao ka rin para sayo nalang ako bibili

thanks for sharing the info. this will make a poor boy (like me) experience and own a tubo sound without breaking the bank.

bai... tnx but no tnx. i leave that to the more enterprising people out there. 

[JojoD818]

i believe that you yourself were an ss/ gainclone guy not too long ago. di ba? so, why switch to valves?

I still am. I didn't switch, I combined the two fyi. remember, hybrid?

I don't know how you are reading it (too literally maybe) but just remember, I did warned you. Why? Because I was in your place not too long ago, and I wished I had a Kevlar on. 

Oh well, this is all blah-blah-blah, much of it doesn't make any sense anyway, or is it just that people don't want to get the sense out of it.

On a more personnal note, what a meant by source, was your actual source of tubes and parts - not RCA, Sylvannia, etc. I am not an insane person to point you in that direction, although there is maybe an insane person who would think of that.

[oweidah]

I don't know how you are reading it (too literally maybe) but just remember, I did warned you. Why? Because I was in your place not too long ago, and I wished I had a Kevlar on. 

thanksalot for the veiled threat...este warning pala.