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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #60 on: Aug 24, 2006 at 04:05 PM »
matt, san mo na score yung mga banana plugs, the middle ones, are those monster brand? :) 

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #61 on: Aug 24, 2006 at 04:10 PM »
yung violet, gwafo! ;D

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #62 on: Aug 24, 2006 at 05:33 PM »
Wow, great buy ito at 2.2k ah. :o

Hmmm, Its even cheaper at amazon, only 18.89USD (1k pesos).

Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00006IZUL/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-9492240-9689704?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics

Check the review as well.




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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #63 on: Aug 25, 2006 at 11:51 AM »
yung violet, gwafo! ;D

Agree ako dyan  ;)

matt, san mo na score yung mga banana plugs, the middle ones, are those monster brand? :) 

YEp, Monster. got them from the buy & sell section before.
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #64 on: Sep 07, 2006 at 09:27 PM »
guys, any news yet kung me dumating na  na ECOSSE CS 2.3 speaker wires sa mga AV shops?

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #65 on: Sep 14, 2006 at 01:47 AM »
Just arrived.My Canare 4s11 cable for Biwiring ;D


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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #66 on: Oct 07, 2006 at 08:40 PM »
Just arrived.My Canare 4s11 cable for Biwiring ;D




Where did you buy this kit?

Thanks.
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Re: speaker wire
« Reply #67 on: Nov 03, 2006 at 06:14 AM »
I suspect this is like the "placebo effect"  ...  2 sets of people were given real medicine and the others given a placebo (no medicine, but they thought it was medicine they were taking). Believe it or not, people got better even when taking the placebo.

So people who buy branded speaker wires will actually believe they hear better music.  It's all in the mind, and one day, maybe they'll just plug entertainment directly into our brains, and we'll have no need for TVs, speakers, etc...


i am so sorry to disagree sir..i used to have the same disposition as yours...wires are wires...
until a salesman proved to me that speaker wires indeed introduce difference in audio quality. in the first place, come to think of it..why are some speaker wires more expensive than a really nice house and lot while a lot is just worth a day's work in the office? there must be something different about them...and believe it or not, there is....and until you hear them with your own ears, i might assume your ears are not as trained as you thought them to be. :)
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Re: speaker wire
« Reply #68 on: Nov 03, 2006 at 08:18 AM »
Wires w/ different LCR parameters will sound different.

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Re: speaker wire
« Reply #69 on: Nov 03, 2006 at 08:31 AM »
Sir Accastil,

If you believe that wires do make a difference and it pleases you I have no problem with that. However, a lot of people including me believe and understand that wires do not make a big difference. I have tried it in the lab, done simulation etc etc and I am not convinced it is anything but the wire.

For more details on this and how other people feel about you can check out a similar thread in this section.

Also, pls do not assume that the other peoples' ears are not as good as yours. Our hearing is highly subjective and best be left alone - it is difficult to argue against subjectivity.

Also, the LCR parameters on cables is minimal at best L -> a few microhenries, C -> less than 1 nanofarad and R -> dependent on the length of the wire. However, if both the L and R channels have similar lengths and their is minimal voltage drop -> no problem.
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #70 on: Nov 07, 2006 at 09:47 AM »
upgrading speaker cables and interconnects?

i'm using CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm

i believe available na dito complete line of CHORD cables & interconnects
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #71 on: Nov 28, 2006 at 12:42 AM »
mga sirs..may nakita akong speaker cable, pero flat sya..okay ba ito? monster yung brand nya..

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #72 on: Nov 29, 2006 at 07:10 PM »
If you change your speaker cable and it cost you much more than the old one would you say you're upgrading?
But if it produced loisy sound than the old one would you still say that your upgrading?
But if the price is much lesser and sound characteristic is far better than the old one would you say you are downgrading?

In this hobby everything is subjective.
Others may hear the difference others may not but it will always boils down to which do you think sounds best to your ear.

I have a barometer which sound characteristecs I find good, better or even best.
This is what I used when auditioning gears be it cables,speakers or amplifiers.
But sometimes these barometers are compromise by looks,quality, brand or price.

My 2 cents.
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #73 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 07:06 AM »
upgrading speaker cables and interconnects?

i'm using CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm

i believe available na dito complete line of CHORD cables & interconnects
http://www.chord.co.uk/chordweb/index2.htm

HI-FI PLUS
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526-3831
0918-8191400 jerome de guzman
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Also available QED SILVER ANNIVERSARY XT -

price is 550pesos per meter for both CHORD CARNIVAL SILVER PLUS & QED SA XT

BOTH IME EXCELLENT TOP OF THE LINE ENTRY LEVEL SPEAKER CABLES

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #74 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 02:50 PM »
In my experience, this is what I could share. It took me a while to develop my audio (and even HT) preferences, so I had to struggle.   

I suggest you take time identifying what sound characteristic you prefer. You try to listen to other setup (sa shops or sa bahay ng iba nating kasamahan sa hobby, kung pu-pwede lang naman). In my case this is one reason why I went to shops like Architectural Audio (sarap dito!), What-HIFi, Digital Dreams, etc., and also to hi-fi shows like the one started WiredState (tama ba?). Ever since nagsimula ito lagi akong pumupunta. Sumasama din ako dati sa listening sessions kina Akyatbundok, sir Narayan, or bumibisita sa bahay ni Audioslave (may utang pa ko sir). Bukod sa marami akong napapakinggan, marami din akong natututunan sa mga mahuhusay at matagal na sa hobby na ito. Nagtatanong din ako madalas sa kanila personally or thru this forum. Tulad nung nag sisimula ako sa tubes natatanungan ko sina Rony, Oweidah, ArnoldC, at iba pa.

Marami nga ang nagsasabi dyan na subjective ang audio preferences natin sa hobby na to. I beleive na tama ito!

Therefore, after going thru all of those experiences of choosing a speaker cable (also applies to other audio gears), this is my recommendation on what should be done.

1. Establish ones preference by listening, as mentioned in the second paragraph of this post.

2. Search for experiences of other people and their general comments/impressions about the audio gear, speaker cable, interconnects, etc. that you are interested on. The Internet is one good source.

3. Find out the availability of the product, how can one acquire it and what is the cost.

3. Try as much as possible to be able to listen to the product(s) and be able to experience it fist hand. But, most of the time mahirap ito. So what I did in such cases is I ask questions from other colleages about their experiences with such product(s). I was able to confirm ang get good opinions naman, most of the time.

4. You have to learn to be patient (which is one trait you will need in this hobby) in order to avoid spending on the wrong product. Sometimes I wait for an oportunity to hear the product. Yes, I know matagal and nakakinip. I say this now because I learned na dumarating din ang araw na may shop or vendor na mag lalabas ng product na hinahanap ko or di kaya merong colleague na nakaka-bili nito. So nakiki listen na lang ako, hehehe.

5. Audition, audition, audition, audition. It can never be mentioned enough.

Well, hindi fool proof itong process na ito. Often before di ako makapag hintay or meron product that catches my attention and curiosity and I feel I really must listen to it. Kaya often I end up buying na rin, and often din I find out later na di ko gusto. So, it will be up to you na rin later on.

Ang point ko lang naman in all of this is to help out by not making you spend so much before settling on a product that you will eventually like.

Ako kasi dumaan na sa ilang cables (either bumili, naka hiram or nag DIY), like 2 flavors of IXOS (6006 and 6004 bi-wire cable) , XLO ER14, nakahiram ng ECOSSE CS2.3, QED Silver Aniv, DIY Belden CAT5E (I made two types), generic 12ga na AudioPro at Harris, heavy duty power cord na nabibili sa SM hardware store, Dali Red Wave, Lab47 OTA cable (hayun, putol-putol na), Audience Hookup Wire AA24 speaker cable (naibenta na). Mind you, kasama rin sa gastos ko yung mga various banana plugs and spades.

But finally I settled for the sound of this:


Connected to speakers like this:


These speaker cables provided the extended bass I've been looking for. Plus, these were able to control the high frequency output of my speakers by making it softer or rounder, which is actually the general characteristic of these cables. For me, those are what I prefer. Now I'm very happy.

Nung una, the bass was not as prominent. But after a number of hours of use, plus using the same cable as jumpers between LF and HF crossovers of the speaker I was able to obtain "my" desired results.

I'm not saying you get the same cables (pero pwede rin). But then again, as I mentioned, establish you personal preference first, then search for the speaker cable with such characteristic(s) you like. There is no guarantee that you will be successfull the first time. Maswerte ka if that will happen kasi less gastos at pagod. But at least you'll (hopefully) cut down on the cost in your search for your preferred speaker cable.

Yun lang po. Sana makatulong.

Salamat.


 


 

« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2007 at 03:01 PM by Bogsle »

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #75 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 03:29 PM »
sir bogsle - its been a hard days night to the long & winding road that (hopefully) leads to audio nirvana.... but it seems the journey is much fun as the summit itself - a never-ending quest  ;D ;D ;D

speaker cables are just part of the whole. though they have their own sonic traits, they must blend with the amp & speaker used. ie- qed silver anniversary classic - best to liven up dull systems, taut controlled bass clear mids detailed open highs but be careful in matching, it tends to be brite with some amp/speakers. 8)

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #76 on: Jan 10, 2007 at 01:22 AM »
Yes, the QED Silver Anniv characteristics were all those you mentioned, and I actually liked it also then. However, there was still the issue of controlling the HF of my system.

When I got the CS-122, the bass was not there yet. I noticed it was not as taut and defined before. But over time, the sound got better and I was getting the rounder highs (which I was expecting) and the more defined bass from my system.

I tried using the same CS122 cable as jumpers, and found out that I liked it even better. The sound became bigger and seemed to have more weight (mas malaman). I've tried different LF/HF jumpers like OTA cables, Audience Hookup wires, XLO ER14, QED silver anniv, AudioPro, Monster Cable, etc. However, I liked more the result from using CS122 as jumper cables over-all. This is what is shown now in the picture.

Sorry, medyo OT na ba?

By the way, thanks for all the help along the way.

Regards na lang.


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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #77 on: Jan 12, 2007 at 01:37 PM »
Mga sir, any one here have tried the Wireworld Oasis Speaker Cable? Baka meron kayo feed back, it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #78 on: Jan 12, 2007 at 02:46 PM »
Yes, the QED Silver Anniv characteristics were all those you mentioned, and I actually liked it also then. However, there was still the issue of controlling the HF of my system.

When I got the CS-122, the bass was not there yet. I noticed it was not as taut and defined before. But over time, the sound got better and I was getting the rounder highs (which I was expecting) and the more defined bass from my system.

I tried using the same CS122 cable as jumpers, and found out that I liked it even better. The sound became bigger and seemed to have more weight (mas malaman). I've tried different LF/HF jumpers like OTA cables, Audience Hookup wires, XLO ER14, QED silver anniv, AudioPro, Monster Cable, etc. However, I liked more the result from using CS122 as jumper cables over-all. This is what is shown now in the picture.
Sorry, medyo OT na ba?
By the way, thanks for all the help along the way.
Regards na lang.

sir boglse - its all about matching the speaker wire with your amp and speakers. and of course musical preference.

had a chance to use vdh cs122 last year. excellent mids great for center speaker duty in ht but sadly didnt match with my gears when it came to bass and treble. but for your setup swak siya. thats just the way it is....

now enjoying the "ultimate" entry level speaker cables available - chord carnival silver plus ang qed silver anniversary xt - cable rolling hehehe ... but still using the qed s.a. orig for HF  ;D 
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #79 on: Jan 12, 2007 at 06:48 PM »
Wish we had some sort of speaker wire / interconnect member exchange here at pdvd where participating members can trade wires for a day or two just to check for synergy.  This way, members can determine which cable best matches their setup without having to actually buy everything like bro bogsle did. Mechanics to preclude theft can be put in place when exchanging with total strangers.  Of course between friends, this is not necessary. Waddya guys think - possible?



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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #80 on: Jan 12, 2007 at 09:43 PM »
Wish we had some sort of speaker wire / interconnect member exchange here at pdvd where participating members can trade wires for a day or two just to check for synergy.  This way, members can determine which cable best matches their setup without having to actually buy everything like bro bogsle did. Mechanics to preclude theft can be put in place when exchanging with total strangers.  Of course between friends, this is not necessary. Waddya guys think - possible?





in deed this is truly a great idea. just wanna share my experience with you guys from one of the member of tha other local hifi forum selling his speaker cable. went to his condo to inspection the item. told him that i'll come back the next day to pay him and asked him a money back guarantee. but what he did was he let me bring it home for auditioning. imagine, trusting a complete stranger without even asking any id, asking any questions. galing diba.

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #81 on: Jan 13, 2007 at 09:14 AM »
sir boglse - its all about matching the speaker wire with your amp and speakers. and of course musical preference.

had a chance to use vdh cs122 last year. excellent mids great for center speaker duty in ht but sadly didnt match with my gears when it came to bass and treble. but for your setup swak siya. thats just the way it is....

now enjoying the "ultimate" entry level speaker cables available - chord carnival silver plus ang qed silver anniversary xt - cable rolling hehehe ... but still using the qed s.a. orig for HF  ;D 

Yeah you're right. I also read that VDH CS-122 are not very good for Home Theater speaker cables because of the softened highs.

But for my audio setup, swak na swak lang ito.

Salamat bro.


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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #82 on: Jan 13, 2007 at 04:48 PM »
But for my audio setup, swak na swak lang ito.

bro. thats all that matters.  :)

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #83 on: Jan 13, 2007 at 06:34 PM »
Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).



Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables

* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
*  Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
*  All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.



may mabibilan ba nito locally?
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #84 on: Jan 14, 2007 at 01:38 PM »
may mabibilan ba nito locally?

I can send one for u from Singapore @ 3k.


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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #85 on: Jan 16, 2007 at 10:18 AM »
totoo ba ito? balak ko gawin ito mamaya...the IC here is Inter connects (yung mga rca cable), right? O integrated circuit? hehehe
 

Kung mahilig ka mag DIY sa IC ...

Bumili ka ng 2pcs 10uH na choke coil at 2pcs 2K resistor sa Alexan at i-connect mo iyung 1 coil at resistor in series. Iyung end points nito pupunta dun sa + and - signal rail nung left channel IC. Ulitin mo uli sa natitirang coil at resistor at ikabit naman sa right channel.

Iyung ganitong cable naiintindihan ko kasi may basehan. Iyung inductor tumataas iyung boltahe niya with respect to frequency dahil iyung di/dt (change of current with respect to time) tumataas. Labas nito magiging mas "bright" iyung tunog.

Kung sa speaker cables naman ...

Kung natatalasan ka naman sa tunog puwede ka maglagay ng 10nF capacitor dun sa speaker terminals mo. Kung di umubra lakihan mo, gawin mong 22nF.

ito rin gagawin ko pwede ko ba ikabit sila pareho sa mga gamit ko ng sabay o they would just cancel out each other?
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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #86 on: Jan 17, 2007 at 01:43 PM »
In my experience, this is what I could share. It took me a while to develop my audio (and even HT) preferences, so I had to struggle.   

I suggest you take time identifying what sound characteristic you prefer. You try to listen to other setup (sa shops or sa bahay ng iba nating kasamahan sa hobby, kung pu-pwede lang naman). In my case this is one reason why I went to shops like Architectural Audio (sarap dito!), What-HIFi, Digital Dreams, etc., and also to hi-fi shows like the one started WiredState (tama ba?). Ever since nagsimula ito lagi akong pumupunta. Sumasama din ako dati sa listening sessions kina Akyatbundok, sir Narayan, or bumibisita sa bahay ni Audioslave (may utang pa ko sir). Bukod sa marami akong napapakinggan, marami din akong natututunan sa mga mahuhusay at matagal na sa hobby na ito. Nagtatanong din ako madalas sa kanila personally or thru this forum. Tulad nung nag sisimula ako sa tubes natatanungan ko sina Rony, Oweidah, ArnoldC, at iba pa.

Marami nga ang nagsasabi dyan na subjective ang audio preferences natin sa hobby na to. I beleive na tama ito!

Therefore, after going thru all of those experiences of choosing a speaker cable (also applies to other audio gears), this is my recommendation on what should be done.

1. Establish ones preference by listening, as mentioned in the second paragraph of this post.

2. Search for experiences of other people and their general comments/impressions about the audio gear, speaker cable, interconnects, etc. that you are interested on. The Internet is one good source.

3. Find out the availability of the product, how can one acquire it and what is the cost.

3. Try as much as possible to be able to listen to the product(s) and be able to experience it fist hand. But, most of the time mahirap ito. So what I did in such cases is I ask questions from other colleages about their experiences with such product(s). I was able to confirm ang get good opinions naman, most of the time.

4. You have to learn to be patient (which is one trait you will need in this hobby) in order to avoid spending on the wrong product. Sometimes I wait for an oportunity to hear the product. Yes, I know matagal and nakakinip. I say this now because I learned na dumarating din ang araw na may shop or vendor na mag lalabas ng product na hinahanap ko or di kaya merong colleague na nakaka-bili nito. So nakiki listen na lang ako, hehehe.

5. Audition, audition, audition, audition. It can never be mentioned enough.

Well, hindi fool proof itong process na ito. Often before di ako makapag hintay or meron product that catches my attention and curiosity and I feel I really must listen to it. Kaya often I end up buying na rin, and often din I find out later na di ko gusto. So, it will be up to you na rin later on.

Ang point ko lang naman in all of this is to help out by not making you spend so much before settling on a product that you will eventually like.

Ako kasi dumaan na sa ilang cables (either bumili, naka hiram or nag DIY), like 2 flavors of IXOS (6006 and 6004 bi-wire cable) , XLO ER14, nakahiram ng ECOSSE CS2.3, QED Silver Aniv, DIY Belden CAT5E (I made two types), generic 12ga na AudioPro at Harris, heavy duty power cord na nabibili sa SM hardware store, Dali Red Wave, Lab47 OTA cable (hayun, putol-putol na), Audience Hookup Wire AA24 speaker cable (naibenta na). Mind you, kasama rin sa gastos ko yung mga various banana plugs and spades.

But finally I settled for the sound of this:


Connected to speakers like this:


These speaker cables provided the extended bass I've been looking for. Plus, these were able to control the high frequency output of my speakers by making it softer or rounder, which is actually the general characteristic of these cables. For me, those are what I prefer. Now I'm very happy.

Nung una, the bass was not as prominent. But after a number of hours of use, plus using the same cable as jumpers between LF and HF crossovers of the speaker I was able to obtain "my" desired results.

I'm not saying you get the same cables (pero pwede rin). But then again, as I mentioned, establish you personal preference first, then search for the speaker cable with such characteristic(s) you like. There is no guarantee that you will be successfull the first time. Maswerte ka if that will happen kasi less gastos at pagod. But at least you'll (hopefully) cut down on the cost in your search for your preferred speaker cable.

Yun lang po. Sana makatulong.

Salamat.


 


 






what brand and model of this cable?


for rear & surround speaker what cable did you use?

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #87 on: Jan 23, 2007 at 12:44 PM »



what brand and model of this cable?


for rear & surround speaker what cable did you use?

Van Den Hul CS-122 lang po. It's using Eichmann Bayonet Plugs at each end.

No, this setup is for 2 channel audio only, not for HT. So there are no surround speakers here.



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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #88 on: Jan 23, 2007 at 03:26 PM »
sir available ba locally cs-122?

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Re: speaker wire upgrade
« Reply #89 on: Jan 23, 2007 at 04:33 PM »
Van Den Hul CS-122 lang po. It's using Eichmann Bayonet Plugs at each end.

 

how much kaya ito?thanks