Topic: Choosing an AV Receiver

[Nelson de Leon]

mukhang di kasya hehehe
bili nalang ako separate amp for my genesis for pure audio. 
wala kasi speaker A & B selection 

Nice. Iba pa din ang dedicated amp for music.

[ninjababez®]

Nice. Iba pa din ang dedicated amp for music.

pwede na ba ang sakura or konzert sa di audiophile.
ok nako sa pure audio ng onkyo receiver ko eh, kung ano katumbas nun sa cheap ampli masaya nako 

[iiinas]

pwede na ba ang sakura or konzert sa di audiophile.
ok nako sa pure audio ng onkyo receiver ko eh, kung ano katumbas nun sa cheap ampli masaya nako 

baby g ni jdlabs brader! hindi ka magsisi! bang for the buck!

[ninjababez®]

baby g ni jdlabs brader! hindi ka magsisi! bang for the buck!

under 5k lang budget ko bro 
basta enough to power my tangband 3" c/o doc mel and a-audio 

[tonedeaf]

Which brand of AV receiver yung di masyadong makapal ang width? Baka di na kumasya sa stand ko sa sobrang kapal ng mga new models 

[Nelson de Leon]

under 5k lang budget ko bro 
basta enough to power my tangband 3" c/o doc mel and a-audio 

Try mo ang Dayton T-amp. Haven't tried it yet pero may demo unit ako dito. Swak ata sa budget mo. Yun Dayton APA kasi, have tried it na and currently using it. Very much ok siya for it's price and lots of headroom for my Klipsch RB81 8" woofers. Though higher sa budget mo.
Mga surplus amps, pasok din sa budget mo. Dami dito sa PDvd. Try to PM Boyax. He has a friend na meron.

[ninjababez®]

Try mo ang Dayton T-amp. Haven't tried it yet pero may demo unit ako dito. Swak ata sa budget mo. Yun Dayton APA kasi, have tried it na and currently using it. Very much ok siya for it's price and lots of headroom for my Klipsch RB81 8" woofers. Though higher sa budget mo.
Mga surplus amps, pasok din sa budget mo. Dami dito sa PDvd. Try to PM Boyax. He has a friend na meron.

thanks sa tip bro nelson, kaso ma-sideline lahat ng upgrade ko for 2011-12 

[airnolds]

Hi Guys!

Just like to get some help choosing an A/V Receiver...

Budget is 18-23k...

90% Movies - 10 % Music... [since i use my PC for music anyways...]
*5.1 will do fine, i want Binding Post Terminals over Spring Terminals [had a Bad experience with them..x_x]

Currently choosing between the following, feel free to comment...

Wharfedale 5110 -17k
Onkyo TXSR508 - 22K
Yamaha RXV467 - 21k [I'm currently eyeing this one, but still need to read some more..]
Denon 1611 - around 22k based from a comment [can anyone PM me where to buy this? or who sells one?]
Pioneer VSX-820 - 24k

Sorry for the "Where/Who questions", it's just that my work let's me leave the office @ 9pm, leaving me no time to actually drop by a mall to look for a Receiver...i'll probably buy one of the 4 mentioned above...

**Moved to proper thread, Sorry Mods! ^_^**

Thanks!

[barrister]

Hindi raw magaling ang Wharfedale: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,106799.30.html

Scratch Wharfe from your list and choose between Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer and Denon.

Onkyo is 2010's group test winner, and local after sales service is very good.  But I don't like it because Onkyo traditionally has overheating problems. They remedied this by adding a cooling fan, but to me, simply adding a fan is the cost-cutter's remedy.  

I would have preferred it if Onkyo redesigned from the ground up to eliminate the need for a fan.  I don't like fans because they blow dust into the receiver, plus you'll have to periodically check if the fan is working properly.  

Denon is good as usual, but the service center is so bad that you'll have second thoughts about buying Denon.

Yamaha and Pioneer are good.  Their designs place importance on reliability and trouble-free performance.  No heat issues; no fans  .

[airnolds]

@barrister

Wharfdale - SCRATCHED! ^_^

i guess it comes down to Yamaha & Pioneer,

I like how Yamaha was able to Highlight the "Out Ports" with white, It might not be important to some people, but for the average joe i think it will help them a lot..^_^

[barrister]

Yammy and Pio are good choices.  But before you finally decide, here's what you should do:

First, shop for speakers.  When you find speakers you like, ask around whether Yammy and/or Pio would match well with your chosen speakers.

Then demo the matching receiver-speaker combination.  If you like it, go for it.    


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I like how Yamaha was able to Highlight the "Out Ports" with white, It might not be important to some people, but for the average joe i think it will help them a lot..^_^

Yes, there are a few ports that would be confusing without those white codes.  I think they help save the user a lot of set-up time.

[airnolds]

@barrister,

Actually, i have it the other way around... i will buy the receiver first, then save money to buy speakers..^_^

I will be using the speakers that i have at home for the meantime, mostly from HTIB sila... excited na kasi Dad ko manuod eh, kaya sabi ko sa kanya bilin na muna namin ung Receiver [to decode DTS sounds]... Then i'll just upgrade the speakers in Q1 2011.

This would be my "Ideal" HT Set-up...

Projector -BenQ W500 - Already Bought
A/V Receiver - Yama or Pio - To Buy This Week
Speakers - Temporary mix of my HTIB Speakers At Home [Sony & Pioneer] - Will Upgrade in Q1 2011
Media Player - WD TV - To be upgraded to WD TV Live Plus this week
Gaming - PS3 - Will Buy in Q1 2011 [Wii muna for the meantime gagamitin ko..^_^]

[barrister]

It's risky to use HTiB speakers on standalone receivers.  There's a risk of overheating your receiver, since those speakers were not designed for standalone receiver use.  Just make sure you don't set receiver volume too high.  

But I have to warn you about your price range choice.  For Yamaha, good power starts at RX-V667.  I'm not familiar with Pioneer, maybe it starts at VSX-920 (or 1020?).  That's about a P30K+ price point.

Below those models will give you much lower power.  Maybe acceptable if you have a small room, but to me the sound for the lower models is obviously underpowered.  You'll notice it from the bass to the mids to the highs, everything just sounds too thin.  


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Yamaha 667 on avsforum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1258247

Pioneer 1020 on avsforum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232682

[airnolds]

Wow, i did not know that about HTiB Speakers... This is noted, although for the Price Range, we can only shell out around 20k.

This will be installed on our living room, i am using a 2.1 speaker for the meantime [Pioneer] and my family was able to watch a movie last night without any complaint.. i guess this is good enough for me for the meantime..

I plan to place the Center Speaker in the "Center" of the room,
i.e the Screen is 3meters away from the Person, the speaker is mounted on the ceiling around 1 meter away from the Person...... is this a good idea? so that i won't have to increase the volume too much.. instead of placing it directly below the screen...

Budget as follows:
Around 20k - Receiver
12-15k - Center Speaker & Front Speakers [Floorstand] (total budget for the 3 speakers..not 15k each..x_x)
5k? - Rear Speakers [No idea on this yet, since i am more focused on the Front & Center Speaker]

[Conan]

Hindi raw magaling ang Wharfedale: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,106799.30.html

Scratch Wharfe from your list and choose between Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer and Denon.

Onkyo is 2010's group test winner, and local after sales service is very good.  But I don't like it because Onkyo traditionally has overheating problems. They remedied this by adding a cooling fan, but to me, simply adding a fan is the cost-cutter's remedy.  

I would have preferred it if Onkyo redesigned from the ground up to eliminate the need for a fan.  I don't like fans because they blow dust into the receiver, plus you'll have to periodically check if the fan is working properly.  

Denon is good as usual, but the service center is so bad that you'll have second thoughts about buying Denon.

Yamaha and Pioneer are good.  Their designs place importance on reliability and trouble-free performance.  No heat issues; no fans  .

Actually the Onkyo's fan blows upward and away from the receiver so it will not introduce dust into the receiver.

[barrister]

Wow, i did not know that about HTiB Speakers... This is noted, although for the Price Range, we can only shell out around 20k.

Actually, the enthusiasts here are just guessing about HTiB speakers' effects on receivers.  There are no experts as far as HTiB speakers are concerned.  That's because no enthusiast is willing to spend time studying HTiB speaker performance.  

If you're on a budget, you want value for money.  Your choices fit the bill just fine.

This will be installed on our living room, i am using a 2.1 speaker for the meantime [Pioneer] and my family was able to watch a movie last night without any complaint.. i guess this is good enough for me for the meantime.

My bedroom setup only uses 2.1 computer speakers.  Usual viewing materials are cable TV and avi files.  They're perfectly fine to me ...      

I plan to place the Center Speaker in the "Center" of the room,
i.e the Screen is 3meters away from the Person, the speaker is mounted on the ceiling around 1 meter away from the Person...... is this a good idea? so that i won't have to increase the volume too much.. instead of placing it directly below the screen...

Center speaker in the center of the room on the ceiling ...

No, that's not good.

The objective should be to produce an illusion that the sound from the center speaker is coming from the screen itself. In fact, cinemas have center channel speakers placed behind an acoustically-transparent projector screen to produce this illusion.

In the home, you have to place the center speaker as close to the monitor as possible to approximate that effect.  That's why it's recommended that the center speaker be placed immediately above/below the monitor.

Budget as follows:
Around 20k - Receiver
12-15k - Center Speaker & Front Speakers [Floorstand] (total budget for the 3 speakers..not 15k each..x_x)
5k? - Rear Speakers [No idea on this yet, since i am more focused on the Front & Center Speaker]

Make sure your fronts and center speakers are bought as a set.  They should all come from the same manufacturer and from the same model series.  

Why?  Because the objective is to voice-match fronts and center as closely as possible.  The easiest way to do that is to buy from the same model series, so you have some assurance that the set was properly voice-matched by the manufacturer for you.

Rear speakers don't have to come from the same model series, since differences in voice-matching between rears vs. fronts & center aren't noticeable anyway.

[airnolds]

Haha,

I read on another forum that "In-Ceiling Speakers" are a no-no... well, it just popped into my mind this morning..guess i will be popping it Out now... ^_^

I will buy the Yamaha RX-V467 instead,

Thanks for all the help guys!

**watch-out for my HT Post in the near future!

[barrister]

Actually the Onkyo's fan blows upward and away from the receiver so it will not introduce dust into the receiver.

The fan draws air from the sides and releases the air through the top.  That's why you need clearance of at least 4 inches on the sides and at the top.

You can't just release air from the inside without drawing air from the outside at the same time.  Otherwise, you'll be pumping air out of the box and leaving a vacuum inside.

It's the air flowing from outside, going inside, then out again that cools the components.  And that flowing air will always carry dust with it.

[stalkermania]

Please help... I am choosing between the Pioneer VSX-820K and Onkyo TX-SR508.
I am planning to purchase a Wharfedale Diamond 10 series setup.

My only worry about the 508 is its issue about PS3 connectivity.
I heard that the new batches of 508 have corrected this bug.
Is this validated already?

Is anyone hear using ps3 connected to the 508? Please share your experiences.

Thanks and I am looking forward on your comments.

[ninjababez®]

Please help... I am choosing between the Pioneer VSX-820K and Onkyo TX-SR508.
I am planning to purchase a Wharfedale Diamond 10 series setup.

My only worry about the 508 is its issue about PS3 connectivity.
I heard that the new batches of 508 have corrected this bug.
Is this validated already?

Is anyone hear using ps3 connected to the 508? Please share your experiences.

Thanks and I am looking forward on your comments.

bought mine 2nd week of november 2010 from SNS.
they also offer updating firmware, but was not necessary in my case 
IIRC onkyo st3300 has issues with connectivity, but the one they had already got the new firmware.
hth

[tonedeaf]

The fan draws air from the sides and releases the air through the top.  That's why you need clearance of at least 4 inches on the sides and at the top.

Clearance of 4"? Oh no. Ba't kasi ang palaki ng palaki ang mga receivers. Will have to re-think where I will put my new receiver, six months from now hahaha




itatabi ko na lang sa center speaker?

[stalkermania]

bought mine 2nd week of november 2010 from SNS.
they also offer updating firmware, but was not necessary in my case 
IIRC onkyo st3300 has issues with connectivity, but the one they had already got the new firmware.
hth

sir, may I ask kung magkano kuha niyo at that time?

ano ba yung improvements ng bagong firmware?
na-address ba yung handshake problem specifically yung screen flickering ng ps3?

[barrister]

Clearance of 4"? Oh no. Ba't kasi ang palaki ng palaki ang mga receivers. Will have to re-think where I will put my new receiver, six months from now hahaha




itatabi ko na lang sa center speaker?

That's the simplest remedy.  But it's also going to give you the ugliest result ...  

I say remodel the shelves:

1st option ---  You can remove the middle shelf on the right.  Pero parang magiging tabingi yata ang porma.

2nd option ---  You can remove both left and right middle shelves and center divider.  Then with 2 vertical dividers, construct 3 sections, with each section having only 1 shelf.

Left section for transformer & voltage regulator.  Right section for players (puwede ang patong-patong diyan).  Center section for receiver (tignan natin kung kapusin pa ang vertical clearance niyan  ).

Tip:

Attach the vertical dividers slightly deeper, maybe by about 2 to 3 inches inside the edge of the shelves, so that from afar, it looks like you only have two shelves without dividers.  Don't attach the vertical dividers flush with the edge of the shelf so they don't look like 3 plain pigeonholes from afar.

Compare free-standing shelves with pigeonholes, and you'll see that free shelves look better:

[ninjababez®]

sir, may I ask kung magkano kuha niyo at that time?

ano ba yung improvements ng bagong firmware?
na-address ba yung handshake problem specifically yung screen flickering ng ps3?

24-25k yata IIRC kuha ko for 12 months installment. 
when you say flickering, do you mean while switching between sources or while playing and/or watching movies?  normal lang kasi mag flicker (split second off yung tv) while switching sources, while flickering when playing or watching movies is a different story.
anyway, no i never encountered flickering while playing or watching.

[stalkermania]

24-25k yata IIRC kuha ko for 12 months installment. 
when you say flickering, do you mean while switching between sources or while playing and/or watching movies?  normal lang kasi mag flicker (split second off yung tv) while switching sources, while flickering when playing or watching movies is a different story.
anyway, no i never encountered flickering while playing or watching.

Yung screen flicker sa ps3, pag-open sa ps3 screen menu, lalabas yung menu tapos black screen after a few sec, balik ulet sa screen menu, then black screen again. So may intervals sila kaya medyo frustrating. But if you connect directly the ps3 sa tv no prob.

[ninjababez®]

Yung screen flicker sa ps3, pag-open sa ps3 screen menu, lalabas yung menu tapos black screen after a few sec, balik ulet sa screen menu, then black screen again. So may intervals sila kaya medyo frustrating. But if you connect directly the ps3 sa tv no prob.

wala ganyan sakin bro.
configuration is PS3 > receiver > tv 

[stalkermania]

wala ganyan sakin bro.
configuration is PS3 > receiver > tv 

Thanks sir ninjababez for the input.

[yer2010]

Guys, meron ba sa inyo nakagamit na ng Pioneer VSX-D912K?  Please share your own review 'coz am having difficulty running it's sub to fullest booming experience.  I recently bought Pilyo's Amp4v2 but no effect.

Based on other reviews from the net, Pio had made this HT sub part boomy only during movie play but not on music.  The question is, how can I utilize Mr Pilyo's sub amp when my Pioneer can't do it? 

Many tnx for your inputs. 

[warmaster]

it's 2011 and i'm quite excited for the newer avr lineups from pioneer, yamaha and onkyo. with that i'm gonna hold out for the newer models to come out and also be on the lookout for last year's models to drop their prices. win win for us all

[barrister]

Sir warmaster, I notice is that your list is getting longer instead of shorter  .

Have you tried auditioning how those receivers sound?  Maybe if you hear them in action, the decision would be easier.