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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #570 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 10:42 AM »
Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire HDDVD is already released in the UK...sayang PAL format :(
i know pwede yan.....HD DVD isnt yet region locked...correct me if im wrong...

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« Reply #571 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 11:44 AM »
i know pwede yan.....HD DVD isnt yet region locked...correct me if im wrong...

Yup sir munskie hddvd isnt region locked yet. But I'm not sure if a PAL hddvd will play on an NTSC xbox 360.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #572 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 11:52 AM »
So, does this mean the "Blu Ray PIP Faking" is not true and only posted by a Troll?


Ito isang sagot tungkol sa subject sa AVS...Yung pangalan lang ng AVS contributor duda na ::) ::)

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That link was hilarious. A bunch of Hddvd owners patting themselves on the back and being all insulting and thinking they were oh so clever until the moderator came in and threatened to suspend half of them...
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #573 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 12:09 PM »
LG's Multi Blue Player BH100....the first dual format player...priced at $1199





BOSTON-(Business Wire)-January 7, 2007 - LG's launch of the first dual-standard Blu-Ray Disc/HD-DVD player shifts the balance toward Blu-Ray Disc (BD) in the battle of the two formats, according to Strategy Analytics.

"Dual-standard players will help expand the market for next generation DVD players," says David Mercer, VP and Principal Analyst at Strategy Analytics. "But owners of the LG device will likely choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the same title because the player does not support the full range of interactive features available on HD-DVD discs." 

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Originally Posted by LG Electronics
In addition to offering Full HD 1080p picture quality from high-definition discs, the player incorporates interactive functions based on BD-Java, which allows advanced menus and functions to be displayed over the video of Blu-ray discs. And, while the same level of advanced menu interactivity is not available while playing HD DVD discs, the powerful combination of Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD audio-video playback technologies is like no other on the market
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #574 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 01:08 PM »
From your AVforum source


Too bad the forum in AVS is already locked...

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If you have are into BD why don't you check it out yourself regarding the interactive  BD-J feature and report here that you are indeed getting PIP from your BD titles.  Because except fro the PS3, NO standalone BD players available at the moment have the PIP feature that is available to HD DVD.  For the simple reason that two distinct decoders needed to process to independent video streams for PIP is mandated in all HD DVD players and no such mandate for BD players.  No wonder MI III BD version from warner does not have PIP feature that the same ttle in HD DVD has. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #575 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 01:31 PM »
BOSTON-(Business Wire)-January 7, 2007 - LG's launch of the first dual-standard Blu-Ray Disc/HD-DVD player shifts the balance toward Blu-Ray Disc (BD) in the battle of the two formats, according to Strategy Analytics.

"Dual-standard players will help expand the market for next generation DVD players," says David Mercer, VP and Principal Analyst at Strategy Analytics. "But owners of the LG device will likely choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the same title because the player does not support the full range of interactive features available on HD-DVD discs." 

If we'll be talking about the same titles, specifically those from format neutrals Warner and Paramount, Warner hasnt even released a single title in Blu-Ray with interactive HD features(In-Movie Experience).  A classic example too is Paramount's M:I III effort on Blu-Ray...wherein at that time, there was no available authoring toolset for BD-Java, and as reviewed by highdef's peter bracke:

HD Bonus Content: Any Exclusive Goodies in There?

Now, here's the only aspect of the 'Mission: Impossible III' experience where the Blu-ray is outshined by the HD DVD. Included on the HD DVD only is a picture-in-picture interactive commentary, again anchored by filmmaker J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise. That's due to what Paramount says was a lack of a "fully-functioning authoring toolset" for the Blu-ray format's BD-J Java environment, so it wasn't possible to include the feature on the Blu-ray release in time for 'M:I III's home video launch date.


Blu-ray's first title with interactive PIP content, Descent, wont even play with the Sony and Pioneer BD players. 

With the release of this duo-format player, BD supporters will always go back to the advantage of studio support, while HD DVD supporters will look at it as one additional CE giving support to the format, whereas before LG is BD exclusive. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #576 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 01:46 PM »
From your AVforum source


Too bad the forum in AVS is already locked...

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Sorry to disappoint you:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453005

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452295

and here post #289
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9378355#post9378355
and I quote:

Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy
Forgive me for being dense, but just to make this clear to me... Which specific features again do current standalone Blu-ray players not support


The specific list is as follows:

1. The amount of permanent storage in the player so things like bookmarks, interactivity state (e.g. your name, game score, etc.), downloaded subtitles and such can be stored. Needless to say, no firmware fix can add such hardware to your machine.

2. Hardware decode support for two streams of video: one for main movie, and another for the secondary video. Products using the decoder in the Samsung for example, can not handle an HD stream and SD stream decode. The Toshiba which uses the same decoder decodes the secondary stream using its powerful X86 CPU for this task. That CPU horsepower is missing from equiv. BD players. It is not possible to add such functionality via software unless the hardware is already there.

3. TrueHD and or DTS lossless support. BD doesn't mandate any so it is totally up to the player manufacturer to do so or not. If the computational horsepower is there (again, the Toshiba did with its multiple DSPs) then this can be a firmware update, assuming there is an optimized implementation is available for the underlying instruction set.

4. Networking. Most stand-alone players do not have the hardware connection so there is no way to add such a functionality via software. Even with the connection, this is a very complex subsystem and making it compliant with BD-Live may be beyond the means of some companies. The box may also lack sufficient memory to handle the extra code and buffering needed for networking.

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Really shouldn't be too difficult to verify, just play your BD on a Samsung, Sony or Pioneer BD player (exception is the  PS3 as it has the required processors for processing two distinct video streams) and see if you you have dynamic Picture In Picture  

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #577 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 01:53 PM »

Blu-ray's first title with interactive PIP content, Descent, wont even play with the Sony and Pioneer BD players. 

True, as this has been raised als at AVS.  But at avforums, The Descent is said  not have true PIP interactivity.  It has TWO films encoded in AVC on BD50, one contains windowed PIP commentary and the other doesn't.  It's FAKE picture in picture since you cannot freeze the window or move it around or switch it on/off.

You need TWO separate video decoders to process the two distinct independent HD and SD video streams for dynamic PIP interactivity to work. This feature is MANDATED on all HD DVD players from Day One. Not on BD spec.  Itis a HARDWARE feature and no amount of firmware update can correct it.   I heard it will only appear on BD players starting June 2007.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #578 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 02:03 PM »

HD Bonus Content: Any Exclusive Goodies in There?

Now, here's the only aspect of the 'Mission: Impossible III' experience where the Blu-ray is outshined by the HD DVD. Included on the HD DVD only is a picture-in-picture interactive commentary, again anchored by filmmaker J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise. That's due to what Paramount says was a lack of a "fully-functioning authoring toolset" for the Blu-ray format's BD-J Java environment, so it wasn't possible to include the feature on the Blu-ray release in time for 'M:I III's home video launch date.



At first I thought this was just a software authoring issue.  But it wasn't.  The current BD machines themslves do not have dual video decoders to process independent video streams from the HD main title and the SD extra features and copmmentaries.  OTH, HD DVD players have as this is part of the mandated HD DVD specs.

The LG dual format accdg to CES has "limited iHD" features and NO BD-J support whatsover.  AmirM of Microsoft is still investigating this as no license can be given to any CE maker that does not conform to the mandated specs for FULL iHD compliance.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #579 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 02:15 PM »
Im glad this topic of  HD feature like Picture in Picture (PIP) interactivity was raised.  To those who havent adopted to HD yet, this  is an advanced feature that lets you watch some special features content in PIP while you're watching the movie.  Warner has the In-Movie Experience (IME), while Universal calls it the U-Control feature.   There is some commentary, some behind the scenes look on how a scene was done, and some pics.  The good thing is, you can turn the feaure on or off as you wish while watching the movie.   You dont get it the whole film, but an icon will alert you if there is interactive content.  So far, im happy with the way HD DVD has delivered the goods on HD interactivity. Some enthusiasts will not care about this, but some will also value it.

if you want to see sample of Warner's In-Movie Experience (IME), its included in its HD DVD Demo clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keLmcUTTLuU
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #580 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 02:17 PM »
Ito isang sagot tungkol sa subject sa AVS...Yung pangalan lang ng AVS contributor duda na ::) ::)


Hmmm. Conspiracy.

With all the other news:
- PS3 not selling well. (Yeah. kasi angdami stocks) Ok. So hindi din mabili ang mga commodities na maraming stocks kasi angdaming naka-display. What a logic?
- MGS4 going to 360
- Tekken 6 going to 360
- Motorstorm going to 360
- Time calling PS3 a bust? (Wow. Time Magazine now into gaming) Buti pa CNN. Balanced on there news about the Next Gen Console.
- DMC4 going to 360.

Bakit wala ang 360 sa Spotlight with all their 3RL Problems?
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #581 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 02:31 PM »
Im glad this topic of  HD feature like Picture in Picture (PIP) interactivity was raised.  To those who havent adopted to HD yet, this  is an advanced feature that lets you watch some special features content in PIP while you're watching the movie.

Yup, things like this that would otherwise escape the would-be high def adopter needs to be raised for their due diligence before plunging into any of the format of their choice.  This shouldn't discourge BD buyers from getting the gears if they want one.  At least they'd know what they're missing.  That's all there is to it.  ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #582 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 03:02 PM »
LAS VEGAS, Jan. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- At a press event today at the 2007
Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, the companies of the North American
HD DVD Promotional Group recapped a strong year for the high definition
format, surpassing significant milestones for 2006, announcing more than
300 additional movie titles that will be available this year, for an
expected total of more than 600 titles worldwide. The group also revealed
compelling revenue and growth projections for HD DVD in 2007, and showcased
a live demonstration of the next level of internet connectivity to give
consumers a more personalized experience.

In just nine months time, "The Look and Sound of Perfect(TM)" has
struck a chord with consumers, showing strong movie title sales and high
attach rates. As of January 5th, there are estimated to be more than
175,000 HD DVD players sold in North America, with new models in high
demand. Using Nielsen data and retailer reports for title sales to date,
the HD DVD studios projected an annualized attach rate of 28 movies per
player. Based on an expected install base of more than 2.5 million players
by the end of 2007, the HD DVD Promotional Group estimates HD DVD movie
title sales to exceed $600 million in North America for 2007. This is more
than 40 times the revenue accrued in 2006 by the format.

"HD DVD is a well recognized brand name, and it's the best way for
consumers to make the transition from DVD into the high definition world,"
said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment and
chairman of the North American HD DVD Promotional Group. "Look at the
facts: HD DVD has the most reasonably priced players and drives on the
market, the highest quality picture and sound possible, and our hardware
sales and attach rates are high. By the holidays, we'll have more than 600
movies available globally, and offer an advanced level of internet
connectivity to drive HD DVD sales."

Attendees of the press event saw a live demo of HD DVD's new advanced
interactive features, working on both multiple PC platforms and consumer
electronics based players -- effectively showing the wide breadth of
support for these features. HD DVD titles with advanced interactivity will
take advantage of HD DVD's mandatory specifications for network
connectivity, secondary video decoders and persistent storage. Titles using
player memory as well as the secondary video encoder for picture-in-picture
were shipping throughout 2006, and titles using network connectivity are
expected to be available in 2007. Using Microsoft's HDi(TM) interactive
technology, the live demo showed how to save and share favorite scenes from
a movie with other HD DVD owners, and how to download HD trailers and other
content from the Internet. To date, HD DVD is the only format delivering
titles using true picture-in-picture.

Fueled by brisk sales of second-generation Toshiba HD DVD players, the
HD DVD drive for Xbox 360, and HD DVD-enabled Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo
laptops and desktop PCs from companies like Acer, HP, Niveus and Toshiba,
HD DVD's installed base is estimated to have exceeded 175,000 in North
America.

Several of the more innovative of the Asian manufacturers such as Alco,
Jiangkui/ED Digital, Lite-On, and Shinco will add competitively priced HD
DVD products to the market, and well-known brands such as Meridian and
Onkyo will create HD DVD players as well.

"With the addition of new consumer electronics companies to HD DVD,
we're predicting more than 2.5 million units in the market by the end of
2007," stated Yoshihide Fujii, president and CEO of Toshiba's Digital Media
Network Company. "This growing level of manufacturer support is a clear
result of HD DVD winning over enthusiasts and movie lovers alike."
Earlier today, Toshiba released news of the HD-A20, a 1080p HD DVD
player priced competitively at $599, offering a more affordable path to get
the highest resolution output. The players will be available in the U.S. by
Spring 2007.

Microsoft announced that the HD DVD player for the Xbox 360 video game
console continues to sell rapidly at $199, bundled with the Universal
Studios title "King Kong." Microsoft executives stated that the company
will continue to manufacture players for the Xbox 360 to keep up with
expected demand from gamers in 2007. With the knowledge that every Xbox 360
HD DVD player sold is purchased by someone who wants to watch high
definition movies, studios supporting HD DVD see significant value in the
player, as a great way to bring "The Look and Sound of Perfect" to gamers
while helping ensure strong movie attach rates for each and every player
sold.

Of the more than 41 studios and distributors supporting HD DVD
worldwide, Warner Home Video, Paramount Home Entertainment, Universal
Studios Home Entertainment, HBO Home Video, New Line Home Entertainment,
Genius Product, Inc., The Weinstein Company, Studio Canal, and Bandai
Visual, one of the largest animation companies in the world, collectively
announced more than 300 additional HD DVD titles will be released this
year. The list included acclaimed hits such as: "The Departed," "The Good
Shepherd," "Flags of Our Fathers," "Babel," the entire "Harry Potter"
series, "The Matrix" trilogy and "Blade Runner". Hit TV series will also
appear on HD DVD, including "Battlestar Galactica," "The Sopranos", and the
original episodes of "Star Trek," which have been digitally remastered.

Another reason consumers are finding the transition from DVD to HD DVD
easy and compelling is the release of many of the most anticipated day-and-
date releases on "combo discs" -- with an HD DVD version on one side, and a
standard DVD version on the other. This combo feature, unique to HD DVD,
gives consumers the option of building their library of HD DVDs before they
purchase an HD DVD player, and lets consumers buy one movie that will play
on HD DVD players as well as in standard DVD players elsewhere in the home
or in the car. The release of combo discs was another milestone the HD DVD
camp promised from CES 2006.

As the official successor to DVD, HD DVD is successfully building on
the heritage of the most successful consumer electronics format ever. An
important element of the group's strategy was a nationwide, 18-wheeler tour
known as the HD DVD Mobile Experience. Over five months, the Mobile
Experience helped educate more than 25,000 consumers on the benefits of HD
DVD, showcasing stunning 1080p movie experiences in a home theater, with
PCs and laptops, and through the Xbox 360. New scenarios continue to be
added, including a concept demonstration by Alpine of an HD DVD player
system for use in vehicles. The Mobile Experience will be featured inside
the Main Hall at CES (booth #7914).

About HD DVD

HD DVD is the next generation, post-DVD standard for high capacity,
high definition optical discs, approved by the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum
develops and defines DVD formats. Its more than 200 strong membership
brings together leaders in movies and entertainment, computing, consumer
electronics and software. HD DVD is fast becoming the primary visual medium
for the age of high-definition TV. The North American HD DVD Promotional
Group, Inc. is an organization established to promote the HD DVD format and
educate consumers in North America. For more information and a complete
listing of HD DVD launch titles please visit
http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #583 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 03:08 PM »
the 3RL is in the news, thats why microsoft is planning on making units using 65nm processors for cooler operation.

MGS4 and tekken6 to 360? i doubt it, thats why i will still buy a ps3  ;D

yipeee matrix rilogy for hd dvd ;D

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« Reply #584 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 03:23 PM »
Bad news first for HD DVD owners.  I dont think by that announcement that any studio will be crossing the line. 

The good news though for the HD DVD camp is that some Chinese manufacturers are in the mix....ditto with Onkyo and Meridian (though I dont think I can afford this).  And for those planned 300 additional titles this year....I think that would be enough to keep the wallets busy for HD DVD owners....just give us the specific dates and specs!!!  ;D ;D


yipeee matrix rilogy for hd dvd ;D

yeah...give us the Matrix Trilogy....in Dolby TrueHD with IME!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #585 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 03:41 PM »
the 3RL is in the news, thats why microsoft is planning on making units using 65nm processors for cooler operation.



Yup. They are in the news. But not as pronounced as Sony's Bad Press.  ???
 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #586 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 06:17 PM »
Alright Matrix Trilogy...bring it on! Long live HD-DVD!!  :D

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« Reply #587 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 06:50 PM »
CES:  Toshiba Surprises with 50GB HD DVD

the link  http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES:_Toshiba_Surprises_with_50GB_HD_DVD/422

might require new set of players...patay patay yan....
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« Reply #588 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 07:09 PM »
BOSTON-(Business Wire)-January 7, 2007 - LG's launch of the first dual-standard Blu-Ray Disc/HD-DVD player shifts the balance toward Blu-Ray Disc (BD) in the battle of the two formats, according to Strategy Analytics.

"Dual-standard players will help expand the market for next generation DVD players," says David Mercer, VP and Principal Analyst at Strategy Analytics. "But owners of the LG device will likely choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the same title because the player does not support the full range of interactive features available on HD-DVD discs." 

I knew it! From the first (aborted) attempt/announcement of LG's dual format player, I've always assumed that LG would have only basic/barebones HD-DVD capabilities while providing full BD capabilities :P  But then it's also not so surprising as LG is a BD supporter and naturally it would be in thier interest to be biased towards BD in thier dual player ;)
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« Reply #589 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 07:19 PM »
CES:  Toshiba Surprises with 50GB HD DVD

the link  http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES:_Toshiba_Surprises_with_50GB_HD_DVD/422
might require new set of players...patay patay yan....

Eh, that's actually old news, there's already a prototype 100GB BDisc made by TDK that has been unveiled a full year ago, so BD still wins in terms of storage capacity :P But yes, both HD DVD50 and BD100 discs will most likely need new players to be able to handle the bigger capacity discs so it's not likely that both disc types will be commercially available in the near future ;)
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #590 on: Jan 08, 2007 at 11:20 PM »
Additional news from CES

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454085
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/823660/an/0/page/0#Post823660
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783264

Onkyo and HIgh ender Meridian go HD DVD

China Manufacturer Shinco to release HD DVD

350 new HD DVD titles for 2007 inlcuding The Matrix, Harry Potter

Toshiba's new HD-A20 to retail at $599.

51GB triple layer storage from HD DVD.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #591 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 07:11 AM »
A Dai-ichi HD DVD isn't far off with these generic brands coming out.  It shows that Toshiba is willing to stoop that low cuz there are no Korean or Japanese brand name (besides Onkyo) takers. The HD DVD community are pretty confident (rather wish)that these Chinese generic brands do have a consumer foothold in the US. Beside the new titles in the press release which more than half will also be coming out in BD and a hi-cap disc that won't play on the current players, nothing to applaud about but more sales projections. If a big studio did jump the fence, now that is GREAT NEWS ;D
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« Reply #593 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 08:02 AM »
 
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...as why its market share will continue to increase this year, all but eliminating any competition by 2010.

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Blu-ray has 96% of the HD player market in Japan. "In terms of Japan the game is already over there."

LET MORE BLU RAY BASHING BEGIN... >:( >:(
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #594 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 08:16 AM »

LET MORE BLU RAY BASHING BEGIN... >:( >:(

You mean BASHING?

My goodness, with such a formidable array of CEs and studios and pressumably suprerior technology from a 10year old MPEG2, I had thought the UNDERDOG HD DVD had no chance of surviving after 6 months.  And now this?  It will still take them until 2010 to demolish the competition?   What incompetence!! ::)
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #595 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 08:24 AM »
gee...I guess a Dai-ichi HD DVD isn't far off with these generic brands coming out.  It shows that Toshiba is willing to stoop that low cuz no Korean or Japanese ('cept Onkyo, but who owns a Onkyo DVD?) brand name takers. 

IMO, its a clever marketing move by the HD DVD camp.....now players around the $200 is indeed very possible with these Chinese CE manufacturers.  From entry level to high end (probably Meridian).  Its all about choice in pricing for HD DVD players now.....a unit for every price level.  ;D ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #596 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 09:21 AM »
CES 2007: Blu-ray Proponents Predict HD-DVD to Fail

http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html

"According to Understanding & Solutions, the Blu-ray market-share is projected to climb some 79% this year and 84% next year."

"That being noted, according to Amazon.com sales data, HD-DVDs continue to outsell Blu-ray discs on a regular basis, so perhaps the format war wages on after all."




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« Reply #597 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 09:42 AM »
The way I see it with all these CES announcements, its all great for both sides, and it largely depends on what side you're on, and whether to take them as propaganda or truth.  Im partial to HD DVD and not all excited for Blu-ray for the simple fact that with all these BD exclusives, I know they will certainly look good equivalently or even better with HD DVD as well (as shown by neutrals Warner and Paramount's dual format's release).   Its just sad that the main advantage of studio support for Blu-ray have been used  (as what a fellow poster in another forum would say) as a blunt force intrument upon consumers via higher priced players. 

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« Reply #598 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 11:42 AM »
CES 2007: Blu-ray Proponents Predict HD-DVD to Fail

http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html

"According to Understanding & Solutions, the Blu-ray market-share is projected to climb some 79% this year and 84% next year."


Coming from the BD camp, what else do you expect?   I'd drop my jaw if they predcited otherwise. ;D

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« Reply #599 on: Jan 09, 2007 at 11:58 AM »
Whoa...what a bold prediction..we'll see..only time will tell  ;D

They really have to rethink their marketing strategy instead of making bold figures lang but I do wish all BD fans the best :P