Author Topic: The War Begins... (Read 107244 times)

pchin · « **Reply #930 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 08:15 AM »

Very unfortunate indeed...kawawa pala si Universal

For HD-DVD, Warner Bros is doing a great job in releasing all its tittles based on your "Rank Title Studio Box Office Gross" list 2005-2006:

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Batman Begins
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Superman Returns
Happy Feet

Moks007 · « **Reply #931 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 08:15 AM »

all right great no combos. Im want to get also bruce almighty and sneakers

pchin · « **Reply #932 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 11:56 AM »

"The HD DVD promotional group, in a separate presentation, said consumers should not only focus on the big blockbuster titles from Hollywood, but also those from regional film houses in Europe and Asia which would bring many titles to HD DVD because it was cheaper and simpler"

Mouldingo · « **Reply #933 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 05:22 PM »

Quote from: pchin on Mar 17, 2007 at 11:56 AM

"The HD DVD promotional group, in a separate presentation, said consumers should not only focus on the big blockbuster titles from Hollywood, but also those from regional film houses in Europe and Asia which would bring many titles to HD DVD because it was cheaper and simpler"

Now they are telling consumers what to buy so that HD-DVD will survive... I don't think J8P will want to watch French movies in his spare time.

barrister · « **Reply #934 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 06:24 PM »

Blu-ray looks to replace DVDs within three years
Friday, March 16, 2007
By AppleInsider Staff

The Blu-ray disc association said Thursday that it's aiming to replace the traditional DVD storage format within the next three years.

"Within three years it will just be Blu-ray," said Frank Simonis, the Blu-ray Disc Association's European chairman, speaking at the CeBIT technology trade show.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2574

Hindi lang daw HD-DVD ang talo niya, pati daw Standard DVD, talo daw niya in 3 years... yabang talaga ng Blu ray, o.

pchin · « **Reply #935 on:** Mar 17, 2007 at 06:26 PM »

Whoa..Blu-ray's nose is too high, only time can tell

Munskie · « **Reply #936 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 12:13 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Mar 17, 2007 at 06:24 PM

Hindi lang daw HD-DVD ang talo niya, pati daw Standard DVD, talo daw niya in 3 years... yabang talaga ng Blu ray, o.

yeah... I agree. Too much baloney I think....three years? DVD is the most successful video format ever......replacing it wont come in three years...

pchin · « **Reply #937 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 07:25 AM »

What's the matter with Blu-ray always making "baloney" (I like this word

)claims? First they have beaten HD-DVD & declare BD as winner. Now they're making this claim to replace DVD in 3 years.

I wonder what's next? Why don't they try something like: Cheaper BD movies in 6 months? Cheaper BD player at $200 entry level in a year? Instead of those boasful claims...(not that I'm against SONY)

av_phile1 · « **Reply #938 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 08:13 AM »

As far as i can recall, BD has always declared its avowed intentions of replacing the DVD as the next de facto video standard for HT since the start. 3 years might actually be possible if the ff conditions appear:

(1) Cheap HDTV from china at par with ordinary TVs.
(2) Cheap BD standalone players, (from china but BD has repeatedly refused to deal with them, unlike HDDVD).
(3) Cheap titles (already available)
(4) More titles (possible within 2 years to match DVD titles)
(4) Announcement from the studios that they are gradually phasing out SD DVD titles.(forced or planned attrition)

IMO, all the above conditions must be present to supplant DVD as the standard HT video format within a short time.

Moks007 · « **Reply #939 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 08:21 AM »

Dont you guys know Blue ray have their own little fantasy world. Im sorry but they are really so arrogant. They think they are the king of the world or something..Man I have to start selling all my dvds, players, and all my hddvds..Also better tell Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, and others to stop making hi end dvds..

Moks007 · « **Reply #940 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 08:37 AM »

Quote from: av_phile1 on Mar 18, 2007 at 08:13 AM

As far as i can recall, BD has always declared its avowed intentions of replacing the DVD as the next de facto video standard for HT since the start. 3 years might actually be possible if the ff conditions appear:

(1) Cheap HDTV from china at par with ordinary TVs.
(2) Cheap BD standalone players, (from china but BD has repeatedly refused to deal with them, unlike HDDVD).
(3) Cheap titles (already available)
(4) More titles (possible within 2 years to match DVD titles)
(4) Announcement from the studios that they are gradually phasing out SD DVD titles.(forced or planned attrition)

IMO, all the above conditions must be present to supplant DVD as the standard HT video format within a short time.

I dont know about that, Not all BD/HDDVD have all those perfect transfers. Some upscaled dvds are just as good as those poor transfers. I dont think everybody will replace all their collection just like that even if prices come down to very low levels. At the moment BD also dont have much special features. IMO dvd market is too huge to be gone in 3 years, transition will take some time.

Kratos · « **Reply #941 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 03:46 PM »

Quote from: av_phile1 on Mar 18, 2007 at 08:13 AM

As far as i can recall, BD has always declared its avowed intentions of replacing the DVD as the next de facto video standard for HT since the start. 3 years might actually be possible if the ff conditions appear:

(1) Cheap HDTV from china at par with ordinary TVs.
(2) Cheap BD standalone players, (from china but BD has repeatedly refused to deal with them, unlike HDDVD).
(3) Cheap titles (already available)
(4) More titles (possible within 2 years to match DVD titles)
(4) Announcement from the studios that they are gradually phasing out SD DVD titles.(forced or planned attrition)

IMO, all the above conditions must be present to supplant DVD as the standard HT video format within a short time.

If this thing happens, ill still keep my DVD's and my players since i can still watch burned TV series on it. I want my kids to inherit all my collection when they grew up.

barrister · « **Reply #942 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 10:07 PM »

Toshiba HD-EP10: Cheapest 1080p high-definition player yet
Friday 16 March 2007

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/dvdpvr/0,39030701,49288559,00.htm

tediber · « **Reply #943 on:** Mar 18, 2007 at 10:36 PM »

ang mananalo kung sino una magkaka pirated version hehehehhe

MAtZTER · « **Reply #944 on:** Mar 19, 2007 at 02:22 PM »

HDMI motherboards are coming... The winner of the war will be... INTEL

w/ MEDIA CENTERS that can accommodate both a Bluray and a HDDVD drive...

makes sense di ba?

aligonzales · « **Reply #945 on:** Mar 19, 2007 at 02:56 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Mar 17, 2007 at 06:24 PM

Blu-ray looks to replace DVDs within three years
Friday, March 16, 2007
By AppleInsider Staff

The Blu-ray disc association said Thursday that it's aiming to replace the traditional DVD storage format within the next three years.

"Within three years it will just be Blu-ray," said Frank Simonis, the Blu-ray Disc Association's European chairman, speaking at the CeBIT technology trade show.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2574

Hindi lang daw HD-DVD ang talo niya, pati daw Standard DVD, talo daw niya in 3 years... yabang talaga ng Blu ray, o.

Same "baloney" as their announcement of the "mini-disc" and "sacd" replacing inferior audio storage formats....

dB10 · « **Reply #946 on:** Mar 19, 2007 at 07:38 PM »

IMHO the tech that will bring out the cheapest player wins, i dont remember dvds being that common before those china made players appeared. i dont know if the pq difference between the two formats are that great to be chosen over a format that is complimented by a cheaper player.

pchin · « **Reply #947 on:** Mar 19, 2007 at 08:26 PM »

Quote from: aligonzales on Mar 19, 2007 at 02:56 PM

Same "baloney" as their announcement of the "mini-disc" and "sacd" replacing inferior audio storage formats....

Bull's eye!!

av_phile1 · « **Reply #948 on:** Mar 19, 2007 at 10:11 PM »

Quote from: dB10 on Mar 19, 2007 at 07:38 PM

IMHO the tech that will bring out the cheapest player wins, i dont remember dvds being that common before those china made players appeared. i dont know if the pq difference between the two formats are that great to be chosen over a format that is complimented by a cheaper player.

IMHO, the greatest problem is that the difference becomes pretty obvious only with HDTV displays. Not on your regular TVs, no matter if 32" large. Ofcourse you can see cleaner edges and sharper images on ordinary TVs. But I don't think that's enough to convince anyone to shift to HD. The difference becomes quite obvious starting at 42" and above. Because starting at that size, the inadequacies of 480i DVDs, even if upscaled properly, starts to become obvious and easily dramatize the advantage of HD which is 6 times the resolution of DVDs. IOW, you won't benefit from HD if you do not have the right display, namely an HDTV, preferrably at least 42" 720p or 1980i native. (And needless to say, your viewing distance must be at most 1.5m-2m away, as you won't get the HD benefit if seated farther down.) So not only must standalone HD player prices reach mass affordability, but HDTVs too.

The two must go together.

aHobbit · « **Reply #949 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 01:06 PM »

Quote from: aligonzales on Mar 19, 2007 at 02:56 PM

Same "baloney" as their announcement of the "mini-disc" and "sacd" replacing inferior audio storage formats....

It seems to me that what they have is a different dictionary ...

"replacing" means "dying over"

barrister · « **Reply #950 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 01:45 PM »

HD DVD camp finally attacks Blu-ray over propaganda war
By Adam Turner
Tuesday, 20 March 2007

... It seems Blu-ray's constant trash talking of HD DVD has finally hit a nerve. ...

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10594/1085/

pchin · « **Reply #951 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 02:22 PM »

Good! It's about time HD-DVD hits back at SONY's complete arrogance & foolish trash talk!

1 point for HD-DVD.

nels76 · « **Reply #952 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 05:51 PM »

Quote from: pchin on Mar 20, 2007 at 02:22 PM

Good! It's about time HD-DVD hits back at SONY's complete arrogance & foolish trash talk!

1 point for HD-DVD.

Why Sony?

It was the BD Association and not Sony ONLY.

pchin · « **Reply #953 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 06:08 PM »

Quote from: nels76 on Mar 20, 2007 at 05:51 PM

Why Sony? It was the BD Association and not Sony ONLY.

Yeah to both BD Association esp SONY, being the main culprit that does all the bad mouthing to a ridiculous level.

"It's about time Toshiba and HD DVD took on Sony's propaganda machine at its own game. Sony has the arrogance to continually declare the format war is over before it even started..."

krazy · « **Reply #954 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 07:21 PM »

funny how the HD-DVD camp counters propaganda with thier own propaganda by replacing the word "standalone" with "true":
"Wynendaele insists Toshiba had sold 200,000 HD DVD players in the US, compared to just 30,000 true Blu-ray players. The two million PS3 sales should not be counted because there was no guarantee people were using them as Blu-ray players"

Nice try, but those 2 million PS3's are "true" players and it's no secret that it outperforms the "true" Blu-Ray players costing more. If you don't count the PS3 as a "true" player, then you shouldn't count all those XBOX360 HD DVD add-on drives as well.

av_phile1 · « **Reply #955 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 07:44 PM »

Quote from: krazy on Mar 20, 2007 at 07:21 PM

Nice try, but those 2 million PS3's are "true" players and it's no secret that it outperforms the "true" Blu-Ray players costing more. If you don't count the PS3 as a "true" player, then you shouldn't count all those XBOX360 HD DVD add-on drives as well.

Which their stats don't seem to include. There's nothing in the claimed 200,000 HD DVD players that Toshiba has sold in the US included the xbox add-on, which is sold by MS not Toshiba. This figures jibe with the figures I see in other sites/forums. And they are talking only of standalone players.

And while the PS3 is in fact the best BD player out there todate, the important thing is the attach rate or the rate at which the acquisition of the player translates into HD title sales. There are just no stats on this for the PS3 or how many PS3 users are buying BD titles and what percentage is using it purely as a BD player. In contrast with the Xbox360 HD DVD add-on, anyone who buys one is sure to use it as an HD player. Else, why buy the add-on?

On the side, the volumes we are talking on both sides together is not even a drop in the HT bucket when you consider there are more than 120 million DVD players installed in homes worldwide.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #956 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 10:31 PM »

Every BD adopter here in PinoyDVD uses the PS3 for BD. But what is Toshiba to do with a forecast like this at the end of the article. Even the writer couldn't give a concrete answer. Resistance is Futile

"We're only days away from the PlayStation 3's release in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand. If HD DVD doesn't start a little trash talking of its own, the Blu-ray-enabled PS3 could be the knock out punch in this format war."

Trash talk doesn't win format wars, numbers do.

pchin · « **Reply #957 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 10:52 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Mar 20, 2007 at 10:31 PM

Every BD adopter here in PinoyDVD uses the PS3 for BD. But what is Toshiba to do with a forecast like this at the end of the article. Even the writer couldn't give a concrete answer. Resistance is Futile

av_phile1 has answered it well. Allow me to quote:

"There are just no stats on this for the PS3 or how many PS3 users are buying BD titles and what percentage is using it purely as a BD player. In contrast with the Xbox360 HD DVD add-on, anyone who buys one is sure to use it as an HD player. Else, why buy the add-on?"

It's just happen that those that use PS3 as their HD player post it here but in actual figure there could be many times more PS3 owners..it's just that not everyone uses it to watch HD movies for whatever reason they may have ...

On the other hand those who purchased Xbox 360 add-on will definitely use it to watch HD-DVD movies.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #958 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 11:11 PM »

But you must admit even a small percentage of 2 million PS3 players would still outnumber 200,000 HD DVD players.

pchin · « **Reply #959 on:** Mar 20, 2007 at 11:55 PM »

Has anyone got the statistic for Xbox 360 add-on units sold?