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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1290 on: May 10, 2007 at 12:58 PM »
Rumor denied by Universal head
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/09/universal-responds-to-reports-of-going-neutral/

Let's just see what happens.  Am already sick and tired of this format war.  I hope a winner emerges soon. That's the time I'll plunge into high def.
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1291 on: May 10, 2007 at 03:05 PM »
Phew...rumor pala...for a moment I though HD DVD is history na...  ::)

Yes, av_phile1 is right...many consumers are sick and tired of this sily uncertain format war  :(

So far I'm putting all my bet on a single format...kind of risky...  ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1292 on: May 15, 2007 at 08:45 AM »
'Planet' HD



Beautiful pictures of nature’s awesome beauty won the day amongst high-definition disc buyers for the week ended May 6.

BBC’s Planet Earth: The Complete Series caught the eye of both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc shoppers, coming in at No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, on the combined HD disc top-sellers chart.

Though the Blu-ray format led overall in market share for the week (60% to HD DVD’s 40% of sales), the HD DVD version of Planet Earth took the top title spot, perhaps due to fewer title options for HD DVD buyers.

The Blu-ray version of Planet Earth wasn’t far behind, selling 95 copies to every 100 of the HD DVD version.

Meanwhile, Blu-ray titles Night of the Museum (Fox), Déjà Vu (BV/Touchstone) and Dreamgirls (Paramount/DreamWorks) took the third, fourth and fifth slots on the combined high-def disc sellers chart.

The HD DVD version of Dreamgirls came in at No. 6, the Blu-ray Casino Royale (Sony) at No. 7 and the HD DVD versions of Alpha Dog (Universal), Smokin’ Aces (Universal) and Digital Video Essentials (Ryko) at Nos. 8, 9 and 10, respectively

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1293 on: May 15, 2007 at 09:35 AM »
still waiting for my matrix trilogy ::)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1294 on: May 16, 2007 at 05:43 PM »
UK tech shop staff predict HD DVD will beat Blu-ray
Tuesday, May 15th, 2007 at 9:43 am

A survey of UK consumer electronic store staff reveals that most believe that HD DVD and not Blu-ray will win the next generation disc format war. A survey conducted by technology field marketing agency Gekko of 425 shop staff from Currys.digital, Comet and John Lewis were asked by to name the format they thought would win out.  A massive sixty per cent voted HD-DVD, leaving 38 per cent backing Blu-ray. 2 per cent were undecided. HD-DVD pricing (21 per cent) and availability (16 per cent) were seen as key factofrs for potential buyers.

The news will doubtless come as a surprise to Walt Disney Company president and CEO Bob Iger who recently told US reporters that outside of the US, there isn’t even a HD format war happening. “If you look across the globe, the only place there is really a format war is in the United States,” he proclaimed. “In other markets where next-gen DVD is starting to penetrate, Blu-ray is winning, and substantially - so much so there isn’t even a perceived format war.”

(From avzombie.com, U.K.)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1295 on: May 16, 2007 at 10:48 PM »
That's a welcome news for a change...  ;D

Including other European countries, the figures for HD DVD could be much bigger??  ::)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1296 on: May 18, 2007 at 06:16 AM »
From IMDB


Toshiba Slashes Prices of HD-DVD Players -- For a Month


Toshiba intensified its high-definition-disk battle with Sony's Blu-ray players by offering a month-long, instant $100 rebate on its own HD DVD players. The rebate brings down the price of a high-definition player to a record-low $299. In addition, Toshiba is offering to knock $100 off the price of any of its HDTV sets that are purchased with an HD DVD player. The company recently announced that buyers of its HD DVD players would also be able to select five free HDTV movies from a selection of fifteen. The promotion is set to launch on Sunday and continue until June 16.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1297 on: May 18, 2007 at 06:41 AM »
Hu hu hu!!! I just bought mine from Amazon. This offer came too late. :)
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1298 on: May 18, 2007 at 06:44 AM »
This will be a good time for those who are considering to join the HD DVD bandwagon  ;)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1299 on: May 18, 2007 at 09:52 AM »
Oh How I wish stores here in Phils. will start lowering their price levels comparable to america. Imagine if Toshiba launch their products here and have Bundle packages like Toshiba 32, 42, 47 L68 (with very good prices) with toshiba hddvd players at 16 to 18 thousand nalang,  ( Peso  already at 46 to 47 level yahay!!)
Oh, oh, oh how I wish...

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1300 on: May 18, 2007 at 10:32 AM »
so the $299 HD player news before is true... hindi nga lang Walmart, at only available for a month ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1301 on: May 18, 2007 at 10:55 AM »
Oh How I wish stores here in Phils. will start lowering their price levels comparable to america....

True true... we couldn't agree more!  ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1302 on: May 18, 2007 at 04:36 PM »
'Planet' HD



Beautiful pictures of nature’s awesome beauty won the day amongst high-definition disc buyers for the week ended May 6.

BBC’s Planet Earth: The Complete Series caught the eye of both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc shoppers, coming in at No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, on the combined HD disc top-sellers chart.

Though the Blu-ray format led overall in market share for the week (60% to HD DVD’s 40% of sales), the HD DVD version of Planet Earth took the top title spot, perhaps due to fewer title options for HD DVD buyers.

The Blu-ray version of Planet Earth wasn’t far behind, selling 95 copies to every 100 of the HD DVD version.

Meanwhile, Blu-ray titles Night of the Museum (Fox), Déjà Vu (BV/Touchstone) and Dreamgirls (Paramount/DreamWorks) took the third, fourth and fifth slots on the combined high-def disc sellers chart.

The HD DVD version of Dreamgirls came in at No. 6, the Blu-ray Casino Royale (Sony) at No. 7 and the HD DVD versions of Alpha Dog (Universal), Smokin’ Aces (Universal) and Digital Video Essentials (Ryko) at Nos. 8, 9 and 10, respectively

Sorry but I dont agree with this. My views are
1. Planet earth for hddvd is still going strong, at this moment its still at No. 5, A lot were saying people will cancel on preorders, but based on its amazon rankings I dont think so. Planet earth for bluray is at #13
2. Fewer titles for hddvd is not an excuse how planet earth is doing so well on hddvd. Ultimate matrix is at #20 and Complete matrix is at #29. both are pretty expensive sets 60 to 70 bucks. Easily price of 3 bluray discs, namingly Pirates 1 and 2( which are at #15, #17) and Apocalypto (#56). I know we cant compare 3 titles to one set but at the moment I think both sides are desperate of ending this war. I think Sony is more desperate. (this is only my opinion) My basis is the article that just came out yesterday on both Philippine star and Inquirer that sony is on the negative side on the gaming sector. I think for each ps3 unit they are taking a loss of around 300 dollars, selling at 600 bucks.
3. Dreamgirls to me is more of an indication, title wise: Amazon: Bluray at #935 and hddvd at #1028, which is a better comparison. However we dont know whats going on in Europe, asia and other regions.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1303 on: May 18, 2007 at 05:09 PM »

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1304 on: May 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM »
. . . I know we cant compare 3 titles to one set but at the moment I think both sides are desperate of ending this war. I think Sony is more desperate. (this is only my opinion) My basis is the article that just came out yesterday on both Philippine star and Inquirer that sony is on the negative side on the gaming sector. I think for each ps3 unit they are taking a loss of around 300 dollars, selling at 600 bucks. . .

That's true, until now PS3 cant keep up w/ X360's gaming power & ability. Taking multi-platform titles such as Splinter Cell, Def Jam Icon, Oblivion, Virtua Tennis 3, Fear, NHL 2K7, etc... all scored lower on the PS3 version reviews.

". . .Graphically, the game looks good, but falls short of the detailed display Sam saw on Xbox 360 last year. Players who ran through the paces in Microsoft-land will notice a slower framerate and the loss of a few small details (things like a smaller quantity of fights during the prison riot, different textures on character close-ups and no goggle-toggle when tossing on Sam's specs)." -IGN.com's Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent Review
". . .And therein lies the rub. As much fun as F.E.A.R. is, it's never going to live up to the expectation cross-platform users have in their heads. Simply put, the PS3 doesn't hold a candle to the visuals found in the Xbox 360 version -- especially considering the handful of bugs that have dead soldiers getting stuck in walls and twitching on the floor. The detailed environments and clear draw distances aren't found on PS3. If you had never seen the other versions of F.E.A.R., you still wouldn't be impressed with the PS3's graphics, but compared to the PC and 360, this version is graphically dead in the water." -IGN.com's F.E.A.R. Review
". . .The first major issue that the PlayStation 3 version has is that it doesn't include any online support. Considering that the Tony Hawk series was the first online game for the PlayStation 2, even before the Network Adapter was ever released, makes this seem curious. And the fact that this is the only major launch title that isn't online but should be is basically inexcusable. Tony Hawk's online play is good fun, and it's really disappointing that Neversoft included it with the Xbox 360 version but not this one. The second problem with the PS3 variant of Project 8 is that it simply doesn't run all that well. The game chops up left and right, sometimes to the point where the controls don't feel responsive. It's bad enough that the camera isn't always perfect, but when it's staring at the bottom of your board and the game is running at 15fps, well, there's a major problem. That's not to say that it always runs poorly, as it can be reasonably quick most of the time, but Project 8 chops up way more often than is normally forgivable." -IGN.com's Tony Hawk's Project 8 Review

But that's just for the gaming side, I believe movies don't require as much power to play seemlessly so Blu-ray vs. HD DVD is another story.

I'm no Xboy . . . just my observations lang po.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1305 on: May 19, 2007 at 04:27 PM »
That's true, until now PS3 cant keep up w/ X360's gaming power & ability. Taking multi-platform titles such as Splinter Cell, Def Jam Icon, Oblivion, Virtua Tennis 3, Fear, NHL 2K7, etc... all scored lower on the PS3 version reviews.

". . .Graphically, the game looks good, but falls short of the detailed display Sam saw on Xbox 360 last year. Players who ran through the paces in Microsoft-land will notice a slower framerate and the loss of a few small details (things like a smaller quantity of fights during the prison riot, different textures on character close-ups and no goggle-toggle when tossing on Sam's specs)." -IGN.com's Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent Review
". . .And therein lies the rub. As much fun as F.E.A.R. is, it's never going to live up to the expectation cross-platform users have in their heads. Simply put, the PS3 doesn't hold a candle to the visuals found in the Xbox 360 version -- especially considering the handful of bugs that have dead soldiers getting stuck in walls and twitching on the floor. The detailed environments and clear draw distances aren't found on PS3. If you had never seen the other versions of F.E.A.R., you still wouldn't be impressed with the PS3's graphics, but compared to the PC and 360, this version is graphically dead in the water." -IGN.com's F.E.A.R. Review
". . .The first major issue that the PlayStation 3 version has is that it doesn't include any online support. Considering that the Tony Hawk series was the first online game for the PlayStation 2, even before the Network Adapter was ever released, makes this seem curious. And the fact that this is the only major launch title that isn't online but should be is basically inexcusable. Tony Hawk's online play is good fun, and it's really disappointing that Neversoft included it with the Xbox 360 version but not this one. The second problem with the PS3 variant of Project 8 is that it simply doesn't run all that well. The game chops up left and right, sometimes to the point where the controls don't feel responsive. It's bad enough that the camera isn't always perfect, but when it's staring at the bottom of your board and the game is running at 15fps, well, there's a major problem. That's not to say that it always runs poorly, as it can be reasonably quick most of the time, but Project 8 chops up way more often than is normally forgivable." -IGN.com's Tony Hawk's Project 8 Review

But that's just for the gaming side, I believe movies don't require as much power to play seemlessly so Blu-ray vs. HD DVD is another story.

I'm no Xboy . . . just my observations lang po.

I find this odd.  PS3 games are supposed to run on Blu-Ray discs and have 4 times the storage capacity of DVD-9s on which xbox games are written. So theoretically, PS3 games should be more detailed with finer movements and 30fps. 

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1306 on: May 19, 2007 at 05:14 PM »
I guess it's in the graphics processor. ATI still performs better than Nvidia. . .

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1307 on: May 20, 2007 at 07:21 AM »
Nope. This is the issue with porting games.

If the base port is XBOX 360, PS3 version will always be lackluster.

This cannot be a basis that PS3 is inferior to 360 - exclusive games do, because they maxiimize the capability of the respective system.

For example, if GTA4 is not an exclusive game (to be released in XBOX 360 and PS3) developers will be limited by the 360's storage
and therefore maps on the game would have been bigger if the game would have been exclusive to PS3 because of larger disc space.
But since, it is to be released to both systems, they should fit all content to DVD 9 only.

It has been always the case that when a game is ported from the 360 to PS3, PS3 is always lackluster primarily because
of the devs comment that PS3 is hard to code for. But this isnt the case in Oblivion though - the PS3 version is much better than the 360's.
Oblivion may have been built from the gound up on the PS3 and not just a ported version from the XBOX 360.

Cheers.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007 at 07:30 AM by nels76 »
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1308 on: May 20, 2007 at 09:56 AM »
It's Official "The Fifth Element" Is Coming Out 7/17 Remastered

The new release date for the Remastered version is 7/17. Sony has not stated if the new version will contain any new features, most likely it is just a copy of the old disc with new video. Sony is specifically calling the new version "Remastered" though, at least to retailers, it's unclear how they will make the new version look different from the old Blu-Ray version package-wise right now.

All the information below is provided to prove that this information is accurate.

New Catalog Number: 21520
New UPC Code: 043396215207
New Retailer Pre-Order Date: 6/14
New Street Date: 7/17


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QTD368/panandscathed-20

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1309 on: May 20, 2007 at 11:05 AM »
Sound Advice: HD DVD player beats Blu-ray in quality, price
Saturday, May 19, 2007 By Don Lindich

Q: I have a 46-inch Mitsubishi 1080 HDTV an need a new DVD player. Should I get HD DVD or Blu-ray? If Blu-ray, which one should I get, and why? If HD DVD, the Toshiba HD-A2 or HD-A20 and why?
AL SZCZEPANSKI, Minneapolis

A: You ask about the new, high-definition DVD formats as if they are your only choice. The fact is that the format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray is still far from being decided. It may be in your best interest to sit out this round and wait; perhaps not. I will bring you up to date regarding the two formats and offer my advice, as well as a few recommendations. Then you can decide for yourself.

For those of you new to this subject, HD DVD and Blu-ray are two new disc formats that can play high-definition content. They are battling to become the replacement for DVD.

About a year ago I reported on the rather dismal picture quality of Blu-ray compared with HD DVD's outstanding picture quality. At the time I could not recommend Blu-ray given the expense and poor picture quality, and gave HD DVD a conditional recommendation for serious movie buffs or those with a large budget. Since then Blu-ray has closed the picture quality gap, though HD DVD is still widely considered to produce a superior picture overall. Another recent development is a combo player from LG that can play both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.

I still can't recommend Blu-ray because of the high cost of the players. Blu-ray players start at around $800. A HD DVD player can be had for $400. Given that the battle is far from being decided, I don't think $800 on a Blu-ray player is a wise investment for most consumers. The LG combo player is marred with functionality issues, so I can't really recommend that one, either.

The much lower price point of high-quality HD DVD players makes them much more viable from my point of view. You can get an excellent HD DVD player for $399, which is only $250 more than my favorite consumer DVD player, the $149 Oppo DV-970HD. An additional $250 to add HD DVD functionality seems like a pretty good deal to me.

This brings us to HD DVD and Toshiba's $399 HD-A2 and $499 HD-A20. The units are pretty much identical except that the HD-A20 outputs at 1080p, the HD-A2, at 1080i. You did not say if your Mitsubishi was 1080i or 1080p, but it would not affect my recommendation that you get the HD-A2 and save $100. With a 46-inch screen I doubt you would see a meaningful difference between the two, if you could see a difference at all. If you are a serious enthusiast, consider the top-of-the line HD-XA2 with its top-shelf video processing. It's a far, far better value than an $800 Blu-ray player. One thing I can assure you of is that with any of these HD DVD players, the picture will look spectacular!

Which brings us back to the Oppo DV-970HD. It is going to produce a spectacular picture on your 46-inch screen as well, though it can play only ordinary DVDs. You may just want to get the Oppo and wait a little longer for the prices to drop and for more movies to be available on both HD DVD or Blu-ray.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07139/787313-28.stm

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1310 on: May 20, 2007 at 01:25 PM »
Nope. This is the issue with porting games.

If the base port is XBOX 360, PS3 version will always be lackluster.

This cannot be a basis that PS3 is inferior to 360 - exclusive games do, because they maxiimize the capability of the respective system.

For example, if GTA4 is not an exclusive game (to be released in XBOX 360 and PS3) developers will be limited by the 360's storage
and therefore maps on the game would have been bigger if the game would have been exclusive to PS3 because of larger disc space.
But since, it is to be released to both systems, they should fit all content to DVD 9 only.

It has been always the case that when a game is ported from the 360 to PS3, PS3 is always lackluster primarily because
of the devs comment that PS3 is hard to code for. But this isnt the case in Oblivion though - the PS3 version is much better than the 360's.
Oblivion may have been built from the gound up on the PS3 and not just a ported version from the XBOX 360.

Cheers.

Been a PS owner for god knows how long but now im very happy with my X360. Never experience gaming fun since i played Gears of War on XBL. XBL is one of the factor that's deciding the console wars and X360 does the job very well. Another thing is the memory architecture of X360 which makes the games graphically better and run most games in 60fps and last, the PS3's Cell which although theoretically more powerful than X360's powerPC processor, are a pain in the ass to develop and program a game.

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« Reply #1311 on: May 20, 2007 at 05:18 PM »
PS2 was also hard to code for but it won the last generation of console battle by a wide margin.  :)

I am also looking forward to owning the XBXO 360 but this 3RL keeps from getting one.
Ok lang sana kung nasa US ka when your 360  conks out because of hassle free customer service.

Pero since I am here in the philippines, pahirapan ang waranty claim when your unit got hit by the 3RL.

The Eliter version still doesn't addess the 3RL problem so wait and see mode muna ko. :)
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« Reply #1312 on: May 20, 2007 at 05:34 PM »

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« Reply #1313 on: May 20, 2007 at 06:26 PM »
PS2 was also hard to code for but it won the last generation of console battle by a wide margin.  :)

I am also looking forward to owning the XBXO 360 but this 3RL keeps from getting one.
Ok lang sana kung nasa US ka when your 360  conks out because of hassle free customer service.

Pero since I am here in the philippines, pahirapan ang waranty claim when your unit got hit by the 3RL.

The Eliter version still doesn't addess the 3RL problem so wait and see mode muna ko. :)

That is before there are lots of PS2 exclusives compared to xbox but right now, the tables has turned. X360 has more exclusive titles and most games are now multiplatform, not to mention that it came out earlier than the PS3.

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« Reply #1314 on: May 22, 2007 at 03:08 PM »
Nope. This is the issue with porting games.

If the base port is XBOX 360, PS3 version will always be lackluster.

This cannot be a basis that PS3 is inferior to 360 - exclusive games do, because they maxiimize the capability of the respective system.

For example, if GTA4 is not an exclusive game (to be released in XBOX 360 and PS3) developers will be limited by the 360's storage
and therefore maps on the game would have been bigger if the game would have been exclusive to PS3 because of larger disc space.
But since, it is to be released to both systems, they should fit all content to DVD 9 only.

It has been always the case that when a game is ported from the 360 to PS3, PS3 is always lackluster primarily because
of the devs comment that PS3 is hard to code for. But this isnt the case in Oblivion though - the PS3 version is much better than the 360's.
Oblivion may have been built from the gound up on the PS3 and not just a ported version from the XBOX 360.

Cheers.

I completely agree with that, games for any system will only look best if optimized for the particular system.  If it's just ported over, you end up making compromises (especially with the storage space between a DVD9 and BD25/50)  That said, I'm looking forward to Metal Gear Solid 4 which will be the first BD50 game and therefore a PS3 exclusive ;)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1315 on: May 22, 2007 at 07:51 PM »
IMO, the olny game that will justify my purchase of PS3 in the near future is FFXIII, but im still thinking if its worth the dinero. ???

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« Reply #1316 on: May 23, 2007 at 08:35 AM »
IMO, the olny game that will justify my purchase of PS3 in the near future is FFXIII, but im still thinking if its worth the dinero. ???

how about GOW3 Kratos :P
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1317 on: May 23, 2007 at 09:24 AM »
IMO, the only compelling reason to buy a PS3 soon is to watch BD.  In terms of games, PS3 will always play catch-up with 360 during its entire lifespan.  But that's not so bad as long as a considerable user-base is eventually established.  Utter domination similar to that achieved by PS2 cannot be expected this time around.

The 360 seized the "initial awe of next-gen HD gaming -  the oomph factor" by releasing a full year in advance of PS3 and that I think is very significant, not to mention Xbox live which is generations ahead of any online gaming network.  No matter what reviewers say, nothing that PS3 released thus far can amaze me more than any prime 360 game.  There may be some differences in graphics quality of particular titles, or additional 10 hours in a 100-hour game, or some features missing, but you'd have to be real certified a*s to claim with conviction that such distinctions are meaningful at all.

By the time PS3's exclusives are released, 360 owners would have finished playing Halo3 at least 2 times offline and probably gazillion times online, while developers would be creating their next killer titles.  I think the only way for PS3 to win this round of console gaming war is for Microsoft to cease to exist now.

In any case, Yes, the hardware issues of the 360 s**ks and must be addressed by MS in earnest.

If Sony or Microsoft can pull a Nintendo act, that is, develop a game or an add-on feature that is not only a chick magnet but also a tatay/nanay/lolo/lola lure, that would be more exciting.  I'm truly amazed seeing chic Japanese ladies completely engrossed with their DS while in the train, although that still cannot beat my fascination of watching them do their make-up in mass public transport :)

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1318 on: May 23, 2007 at 12:06 PM »
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1319 on: May 23, 2007 at 12:08 PM »
I'm truly amazed seeing chic Japanese ladies completely engrossed with their DS while in the train, although that still cannot beat my fascination of watching them do their make-up in mass public transport :)


Playing DS without noticing that "oooops" kita na ung ano... he he he.
Jap school girls wearing mini skirts.  ;)
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