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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1350 on: Jun 22, 2007 at 09:30 PM »
The article nowhere indicates how much % of PS3 owners are blu-ray users.  And yes the installed base doesn't square with the number of BD sold against HD DVDs.  It should also be 5:1. 
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1351 on: Jun 22, 2007 at 11:29 PM »
Try to check the Ps3 owners thread in pinoypsx.com......they also listed owned blu-ray movies and their games.....only a handful have multiple blu-ray movies in their possession......

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1352 on: Jun 23, 2007 at 12:02 AM »
onga no :D mga gamers kasi e. paisaisa lang bd's nila , puros casino royal

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1353 on: Jun 23, 2007 at 01:53 AM »
. . . and that includes my cousin and a friend who never even bought a single BD movie up to now, same as others who's not impressed w/ the PQ on a 32" LCD.

And to MS, 'bring on the 65nm revision w/ built-in HD DVD drive!!!' :D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1354 on: Jun 23, 2007 at 08:15 AM »
Here are some more calculations. Pls correct me if im wrong on my formula or whatever.

Avg. spent on hddvd/blu-ray per household

hddvd - $20,000,000 spent on hddvd divided by 300,000 units = $66.67 spent on hddvd per household

blu-ray - $35,000,000 spent on blu-ray divided by 1,500,000 units = $23.33 spent on blu-ray per household

Now for attach rates, Im using avg. prices of amazon on eproductwars.com.
hddvd - $41.40
bluray - $27.60
Disc units sold will be based on amount spent divided by avg. prices (for I dont have units sold )
hddvd - $20,000,000 divided by $41.40 = 483,092 units
bluray - $35,000,000 divided by $27.60 = 1,268,116 units

Attach rates.
hddvd - 483,092 units divided by 300,000 players = 1.61 attach rate
bluray - 1,268,116 units divided by 1,500,000 players = 0.85 attach rate

If we use for example same avg price, lets say 25 dollars
hddvd - 800,000 divided by 300,000 = 2.67 attach rate
bluray - 1,400,000 divided by 1,500,000 = 0.93 attach rate

My calculations may be wrong, Pls just correct me nalang if im wrong. Im not taking this war seriously, (but I think war is good for consumers in a way para standalone prices will drop faster) but what I dont agree is these articles, researchers or whatever coming out with this kind of publicity for blu-ray. Of course 5 to 1 figures will give the regular joes the image that bluray is beating the living crap out of hddvd. But when one analyze it, its not 5 to 1.  Like I stated previously, Bd  is only outselling hddvd disc by a 2 to 1 margin that I know of.

Also remember when I think (sony) announced that they sold 100,000 casino royale and this issue went back and forth how they sold that many? When the actual figures came out they said its about 60 thou to 80 thou (I think). Then some start saying the 100 thou  is the figure sony sold to the retailers which is good as sold. This is the kind of publicity im against.

Toshiba is also saying how much they sold when their promo came out..With this much standalones sold, if the disc sales of hddvd dont pick up, my conclusion is that the buyers of these standalones may be the ones that already have a hddvd player or the ones with bluray players which they only buy (maybe) selected universal titles that dont come out on bluray.

This is just my analysis and observation.



                                     

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1355 on: Jun 23, 2007 at 08:22 AM »
Good analysis and observation Ray!  :D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1356 on: Jun 23, 2007 at 08:39 AM »
Well one thing for sure is that neither is selling that well, given the release of big catalog titles last month.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1357 on: Jun 25, 2007 at 01:31 PM »
Personally for me, I'll just wait this out until the BluRay vs. HD-DVD war is over and the prices really drop. So far, I see very few users among BD and HD-DVD in the Philippine market. Moreso HD titles are still a bit scarce and hard to find in stores and really super expensive.

So far I am happy with my Oppo DV-981HD upconverting player. At least I am still able to make use of my old DVD collecton and the player has given new life to them. Great picture quality and sound performance. No jaggies with my Sharp LCD panel. Well, of course the only drawback is it doesn't do component but what the heck - neither does BluRay or HD-DVD players! Performs to par with the more expensive players such as Denon.

Just my personal opinion.....

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1358 on: Jun 28, 2007 at 03:52 AM »
Five Free Blu-ray Movies with Purchase of Player

Blu-ray Disc The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has revealed an exciting offer for those of you who are still looking to pick up a Blu-ray player. If you purchase a Blu-ray player (including the PS3) between July 1st and September 30th, you will automatically qualify to receive 5 Blu-ray movies absolutely free. Combine this with existing offers (like the 5 free Blu-ray movies with purchase of a Panasonic DMP-BD10A), and you could receive up to 10 free Blu-ray movies with the purchase of a player.

But wait, there's more! If you decide you would like to purchase a PS3, Sony is offering a special deal through their retail Sony Style stores. Purchase a PS3, two games, and an extra controller from now until July 8th, and you will receive a $50 gift card.

Rebate information can be found at the following site:

www.bluraysavings.com

The site isn't up yet, but expect it to go live when the deal starts this weekend.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1359 on: Jun 30, 2007 at 11:34 AM »
war is over says spidey!


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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1360 on: Jun 30, 2007 at 07:49 PM »
^OMG where did u find that?

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1361 on: Jun 30, 2007 at 08:13 PM »
nice dvd collector set, will it be released in bluray? ;D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1362 on: Jun 30, 2007 at 08:39 PM »
Becoming a Neutral is no longer a question...it's imminent....  ;D
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1363 on: Jul 01, 2007 at 01:14 AM »
war is over says spidey!




Huwaw . . . a superhero dictating the outcome of the war . . . talo na talaga HD :D :D

Seriously, ganda nung box & spidey model sir.


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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1365 on: Jul 01, 2007 at 11:06 AM »
Phew...nice limited edition set.  ;) The problems are:

1. It costs around P6,200.  :-[

2. Eh...the foreign site has no English so ordering could be a problem...  ;D 

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1366 on: Jul 02, 2007 at 01:55 PM »
Where is transformers the movie coming out bluray or hd dvd? That should be a very good sound demo disc imho.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1367 on: Jul 02, 2007 at 02:28 PM »
The Transformers movie is a Paramount release, if I'm not mistaken...  which means it would most probably be out in both HD DVD and Blu Ray versions.
The war is over...  Now bring on the classics on HD!

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1368 on: Jul 02, 2007 at 09:54 PM »
Looking forward to the Transformer HD DVD!  :D

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1369 on: Jul 03, 2007 at 02:01 AM »

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1370 on: Jul 06, 2007 at 10:32 PM »
From ectronista.com:


Samsung gives hybrid Blu-Ray/HD DVD launch details
July 4, 2007

Samsung today provided extra details about its upcoming Blu-Ray and HD DVD combo player at an event in advance of Berlin's IFA media expo. The BDP-UP5000 will support all the features of either movie format, including Internet extras through an Ethernet connection that both formats will recognize. It should also eliminate the stilted motion effects caused by pulldown conversion and can output movies at either a film-native 24 frames per second or as quickly as 60 frames per second for faster videos. No trouble is expected with playing movies at a full 1080p, Samsung says.

While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores. More details should be revealed when the IFA show begins on August 31st.

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1371 on: Jul 07, 2007 at 07:05 AM »
From ectronista.com:


Samsung gives hybrid Blu-Ray/HD DVD launch details
July 4, 2007

Samsung today provided extra details about its upcoming Blu-Ray and HD DVD combo player at an event in advance of Berlin's IFA media expo. The BDP-UP5000 will support all the features of either movie format, including Internet extras through an Ethernet connection that both formats will recognize. It should also eliminate the stilted motion effects caused by pulldown conversion and can output movies at either a film-native 24 frames per second or as quickly as 60 frames per second for faster videos. No trouble is expected with playing movies at a full 1080p, Samsung says.

While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores. More details should be revealed when the IFA show begins on August 31st.
Yes cant wait for this..Player worth buying imo..When this comes out it doesnt matter now who wins. Even if the neutral studios end up choosing all blu-ray and Universal stick with hd dvd or every studio support blu ray, it will not matter anymore. The main question is will hidef take over the dvd market? With the guy from BDA stating (I think somewhere in Europe) that dvd will be gone in 3 years, I think we know what the studios that support BDA's intentions are, thats why they all support Blu-ray..I think they want to corner this market and if the studios decided to no longer produce dvds and all in hidef format, consumers will have no choice but to buy into this market. Imagine no 300 on dvd or no transformers on dvd (im just giving a sample). However nobody knows what they are up to and what is positive for us here, imagine we still have vcds so dvds might not die out in our asia region..

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1372 on: Jul 07, 2007 at 08:00 AM »
While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores.

The price still seems a bit high though. Note that the press release mentioned a 400-Euro premium compared to a single format Blu-ray movie reader. So, with the cheapest Blu-Ray player right now -- the Sony BDP-1200 -- at $500 + the approx. $500 premium, we are still talking about a $1k player. It's still cheaper to get two standalones as of this moment. (The HD-A2 is going for $300 + The Sony Player or the PS3 (next week) for $500 is still less than the multi-format player.)

However, I do like the fact that these players are coming out, and I hear that Samsung will be doing a better job with this compared with the LG multi-format player, as the Sammy player will be able to support BD-J and HDi, unlike the LG player which didn't support HDi.
The war is over...  Now bring on the classics on HD!

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1373 on: Aug 13, 2007 at 09:34 PM »
« Last Edit: Aug 13, 2007 at 09:37 PM by barrister »

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1374 on: Sep 04, 2007 at 12:06 PM »
Why Blu-Ray Should Never Have Existed: Technology Lesson Learned
Posted by Rob Enderle on September 3, 2007 at 11:01 am
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/rob/?p=145&page=1
« Last Edit: Sep 04, 2007 at 12:09 PM by barrister »

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1375 on: Sep 11, 2007 at 11:27 PM »
HD DVD News:


After Paramount and Dreamworks, Warner next?

Report: Toshiba Courting Warner to Go HD DVD-Only
Stephen Silver
September 11, 2007
http://www.dealerscope.com/story/story.bsp?sid=74796&var=story&publication=Dealerscope&publicationDate=9/11/07&slug=DSEnews4_091107_warnerHDDVD&category=None&section=Unknown




CH-DVD (China High Definition DVD) --- blue laser, HD-DVD based, with DVD Forum approval:   

New Chinese Involvement Could Trigger HD DVD Price Plunge
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
September 7, 2007, 4:14 PM
http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Chinese_Involvement_Could_Trigger_HD_DVD_Price_Plunge/1189196071




51 GB HD-DVD:

DVD Forum Approves Triple-Layer HD DVD Media – Research Firm.
Toshiba’s 51GB HD DVDs Approved by DVD Forum
by Anton Shilov
[ 09/09/2007 | 11:45 PM ]
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20070909234615.html



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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1376 on: Sep 12, 2007 at 10:49 AM »
with all these news coming out, baka matalo na ang BLu-ray ah.  hmmmm.....

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1377 on: Sep 15, 2007 at 09:16 PM »
Tsong! im new here! i'm planning to buy! lcd tv! 32 inch! lang! what! brand is the best! and what! player? can you guys! help me? tnx!

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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1378 on: Sep 15, 2007 at 10:08 PM »
Tol!  you! are in the wrong!  thread!  You!  don't have to tell us!  that you're!  new here!  ?  we can!  figure that out! for ourselves! ?
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Re: The War Begins...
« Reply #1379 on: Sep 16, 2007 at 12:05 AM »
Good one barrister  ;D