Author Topic: harman/kardon avr (Read 366568 times)

czedryk · « **Reply #3270 on:** Sep 26, 2006 at 09:39 AM »

Quote from: alx on Sep 25, 2006 at 05:54 PM

just wondering y didnt you go for bw 602? m planning to buy 602 for my hk 340..

hndi kasya s shelf e...

newbie pa rin · « **Reply #3271 on:** Sep 26, 2006 at 10:13 AM »

Quote from: alx on Sep 19, 2006 at 02:27 PM

nagpademo ako ng mga speakers with my eyes closed.. widawt knowing what speaker it is iv noticed that the tweeter of b&w 602 is bright, mdyo masakit sa tenga.. while paradigm monitor 5 is more clarity than the bw. nagtest din kame ng studio 20 and i choose this 1 over the 2.. still hav to demo it agen to my amp kc denon integrated ang ginamit namin..

Sir have you decided which one to get?

newbie pa rin · « **Reply #3272 on:** Sep 26, 2006 at 10:16 AM »

Quote from: malaya_grp on Sep 15, 2006 at 05:18 PM

ANYONE WHO WANT TO SWAP WITH MY HK630? SOBRANG PANALO KAYO DITO COZ NDI KO TALAGA NAGAMIT. 1 MONTH BAGO KO SYA NABILI DUMATING UNG ISA KONG AVR. PRICE 67k SRP

HARMAN KARDON HK630 SWAP ------> PREFER KO

ROTEL 1075
OR
B&W 602S3 PLUS LCR600

THANKS AND GOD BLESS

Nice offer - pagiisipan ko.
Its hard to depart with this speaker.

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3273 on:** Sep 26, 2006 at 10:29 AM »

Quote from: MAtZTER on Sep 21, 2006 at 04:47 PM

An idea struck me... since your budget is for floorstanders (FS) - Why not get the mid level bookshelf (BS) speakers of the same brand? They sound a lot better (very refined) than their entry level counterparts...and almost the same price as the entry level FS.

Example:
Monitor Audio B4 (ent FS) ---> Monitor Audio RS1 (mid BS)
Mission M34 (ent FS) ---> Mission M51 (Mid BS)
B&W 3something ---> B&W 601's
etc etc...

I forgot mahal pala center speaker ng mid level speakers

scofield · « **Reply #3274 on:** Oct 09, 2006 at 11:40 AM »

Hi,

may problema kasi yung AVR ko HK135, nag po-protect siya. Tapos ayaw mag on within 5-10secs?

Suspect ko yung power chord ko maluwag sa outlet, pero nung try ko hawakan while turning the power on ayaw pa rin.

Check ko yung mga speaker wire ok naman, pero yung isa kong wire maluwag pero nakakabit pa rin sa banana plug, walan contact sa ibang terminals. Posible ba na ito ang dahilan?

Ganun ba talaga pag may lumuwag na contact magpo-protect na?

Sinubukan ko na rin manood ng dvd with full volume, (-18db) hindi naman nag protect hanggang matapos yung movie. Pero nung in-off ko tapos ON uli ayaw nanaman may delay na 5-10 secs bago mag ON.

hmmmm... what do you think may diperensya ba?

ganicru · « **Reply #3275 on:** Oct 13, 2006 at 03:14 PM »

Na experience ko yan dati sa HK 135 ko and I tried using an AVR (1500watts), wala ng problem. Yes, with loose wires, nag po protect mode sya. Good point of HK.

docb · « **Reply #3276 on:** Oct 15, 2006 at 02:53 AM »

Harman Kardon HK630

dagul27 · « **Reply #3277 on:** Oct 15, 2006 at 01:14 PM »

maganda yan! paging Mr.Matz.

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3278 on:** Oct 16, 2006 at 10:54 AM »

Yes, I saw in other threads that you plan to use B&W 603's on a 30sqm room. For these famously "power hungry" floorstanders and your floor area, no less than the top mid model receivers will suffice to power them to sound their best. And B&W's suit high current AVR's best. Also a good path would be a pre/pro, power amp setup that can get very costly.

What I like about the HK630 is its warm sound and raw POWERRRR. Excellent processor too. I have heard it power an Infinity Beta HCS 5.1 speaker system whose satellites are as small as surround bookshelf speakers. But WOW they sounded like floorstanders when powered with the HK630!

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3279 on:** Oct 16, 2006 at 10:55 AM »

And if you want to upgrade in the future for a better sound experience. All you need to do is to get a good power amp. The warm characteristic of the HK630 is well passed on to its pre out. I heard (hearsay)that another brand had very bright effect when its pre outs are used with power amps.

For best results, you can try what I did. BI-amp your setup: HK powering my HF and a Rotel THX power amp for my LF. Dont forget to remove the jumper pin or say goodbye to your gears. The level of detail and "OOMPH!!!" of this setup will amaze you and improve your HT experience.

Also, the all channels driven power (ACD) rating of the HK630 is very useful for bi-amping purposes. For me, since power amps are all also rated at ACD, Its perfect to match it with an ACD AVR since you know its TRUE power rating. As compared to those AVR's w/ bloated 120w ratings on all channels, pero its actually 120w divided by 7 channels... how would you know if the divided power rating is powerful enough to supply constant loads to your HF? Baka di mo alam, your power amp is supplying 100w and your receiver is only supplying 30w lang pala on a demanding scene.

But thats just me & my 2 cents.

alx · « **Reply #3280 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 12:38 PM »

Quote from: newbie pa rin on Sep 26, 2006 at 10:13 AM

Sir have you decided which one to get?

kinuha ko na ung 602 s3.. what ive noticed is dat parang may kulang sa sound, parang pigil and also di vocals parang bitin. when i demo this sa shop, un sound buhay na buhay sa buong room.. pag dating sa house ko iba! not sure f sa speaker cable kc sa raon ko lng nabili.. or kulang hk 340 2 power 602. or hindi p break in. iv bin using this for 8 days na prbbly 3 hrs a day.. pls help me with this 1. thanks!

newbie pa rin · « **Reply #3281 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 03:19 PM »

Sir dami kasing factors bakit iba tunog ng setup mo from the store na binilhan mo.
Room modes or room acoustics plays a big part.

Wait mo rin ma-break in receiver mo kung bago pa.
From experience mas malaki improvement ng breaking in ng receiver compared sa breaking in ng speakers.

I'm only using HK235 pero hindi ko naman napapansin mga napansin mo or my ears are not just that sensitive.
Although I've heard the 602S3 paired with an HK stereo amp with 120 watts of power and I'd say iba tunog nya mas maganda.

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3282 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 03:23 PM »

Quote from: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 12:38 PM

kinuha ko na ung 602 s3.. what ive noticed is dat parang may kulang sa sound, parang pigil and also di vocals parang bitin. when i demo this sa shop, un sound buhay na buhay sa buong room.. pag dating sa house ko iba! not sure f sa speaker cable kc sa raon ko lng nabili.. or kulang hk 340 2 power 602. or hindi p break in. iv bin using this for 8 days na prbbly 3 hrs a day.. pls help me with this 1. thanks!

What receiver did they use at the showroom? Baka naman flagship model?

What is the acoustics of your room? If its bare cement walled and there are lots of echoes and reverberations, take note that these may "eat up" your mids and highs and your speakers may sound lacking in detail.

jhunB! · « **Reply #3283 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 04:36 PM »

Sir Matz... ganyan din ang experience ko until now... yung unit ko are compose of 235/infinity primus 360 although i'm only using stereo by now... b4 i purchase my units from d store, impress me sa sound quality inside the store but then, wen my units are at home already, parang iba na ang tunog... although pag mahina kasi around 30-35 db, ok pa sa pandinig ko pero pag 25db and below, medyo distorted na sa pandinig ko.. (i'm playing a music cd's only such as disco, r&b, opm, love songs from mp3s and original cds)... possible kaya dahil yung house me are all concrete (roof-wall-floor) at 12sqm?... di ko pa din nagagamit yung ezset ng avr ko ksi di ko maintindihan yung manual eh (english kasi)... Also, pls give me some idea regading sa settings ng bass/treble at wat particular range... basta me kasi, naka-set lang sa 4'clock yung tone knobs me... Sir, nu ba din dapat me gawin on how to make my room to be in acoustic set ups (ung mura lang...joke!!)...

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3284 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 05:09 PM »

Quote from: jhunB! on Oct 17, 2006 at 04:36 PM

Sir Matz... ganyan din ang experience ko until now... yung unit ko are compose of 235/infinity primus 360 although i'm only using stereo by now... b4 i purchase my units from d store, impress me sa sound quality inside the store but then, wen my units are at home already, parang iba na ang tunog... although pag mahina kasi around 30-35 db, ok pa sa pandinig ko pero pag 25db and below, medyo distorted na sa pandinig ko.. (i'm playing a music cd's only such as disco, r&b, opm, love songs from mp3s and original cds)... possible kaya dahil yung house me are all concrete (roof-wall-floor) at 12sqm?... di ko pa din nagagamit yung ezset ng avr ko ksi di ko maintindihan yung manual eh (english kasi)... Also, pls give me some idea regading sa settings ng bass/treble at wat particular range... basta me kasi, naka-set lang sa 4'clock yung tone knobs me... Sir, nu ba din dapat me gawin on how to make my room to be in acoustic set ups (ung mura lang...joke!!)...

Sir let me give my honest analysis.

1.) Primus 360 is a HUGE speaker for your 12sqm. room. Chances are it will be boomy, as was my experience with my 12 sqm room w/ 3 driver FS (Flrstndr) . Chances are the boominess will be distracting or it will eat up the mids and highs. Bookshelves or single woofer FS should have been enough for a 12sqm room.

2.) A HK230 powering a 4 driver Primus FS of that size? I think it may be underpowered kaya sometimes you feel you hear its distorted. What AVR model did you hear at the showroom? The guys at the JBL showroom once let me hear an HK630 and on another day I didnt know that they had a 235 connected to the same speakers. The differences were immediately obvious despite not knowing what AVR was connected. Pareho kasi itsura lahat eh.

Allow me to share what I wrote in another thread:

Dont fall into the very common "just get any entry level AVR and get a floorstander" approach without considering the power factor needed for floorstanders. Chances are a bookshelf spkr thats well powered by a good receiver will sound better than an underpowered receiver trying hard to power a multi-driver, bigger cabinet space floorstander w/c requires more clean power for it to sound its best.

I have been trying to correct this a lot lately cuz I see this as a very common error everywhere: underpowered floorstanders. I know that not everyone can just grab a high model receiver and a FS at once since they are costly, but at least they can buy the right combination. Bookshelves being the safest...since most probably the subs are going to handle the LFE naman.

3.) All concrete? Naku problema yan. Add lots of curtains and fabric, but that would absorb the HF only. LF reverbs are the ones eating up your mids and highs. Try adding Bass traps. You can look for Manny Ongpauco thru your friendly neighbothood HT dealers. He sells reasonable priced acoustic treatments, but do test it first. I still have yet to try & review his product's effectiveness myself.

alx · « **Reply #3285 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 05:25 PM »

sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3286 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 05:35 PM »

Quote from: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:25 PM

sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?

LOL, Onkyo 901 integra is the next receiver to their huge NR1000 flagship model It has a high THX select certification and the integra is their high end series, just like the Lexus is to Toyota. Of course walang laban ang 340 dyan (Altis vs Lexus anyone?). but thats probably 3x the price. Its not a very fair comparison at all. But its a great hands-on or shall we say "ears-on" demo on what higher powered & modeled receivers can do.

Sa B&W's kasi the higher you go, the better they sound.

But I would honestly recommend that the 340 is the minimum for the 602's. But thats just my 2 cents.

alx · « **Reply #3287 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 06:42 PM »

sir Matz, sensya na kc m new to this 1 ndi ko p masyado alam.. pero ndi ko rin sure kung anu mdl ang gamit nila.. hinulaan ko lng

btw, how do i send a pic to you pala sir Matz..??

jhunB! · « **Reply #3288 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM »

Quote from: MAtZTER on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:09 PM

Sir let me give my honest analysis.

1.) Primus 360 is a HUGE speaker for your 12sqm. room. Chances are it will be boomy, as was my experience with my 12 sqm room w/ 3 driver FS (Flrstndr) . Chances are the boominess will be distracting or it will eat up the mids and highs. Bookshelves or single woofer FS should have been enough for a 12sqm room.

2.) A HK230 powering a 4 driver Primus FS of that size? I think it may be underpowered kaya sometimes you feel you hear its distorted. What AVR model did you hear at the showroom? The guys at the JBL showroom once let me hear an HK630 and on another day I didnt know that they had a 235 connected to the same speakers. The differences were immediately obvious despite not knowing what AVR was connected. Pareho kasi itsura lahat eh.

Allow me to share what I wrote in another thread:

Dont fall into the very common "just get any entry level AVR and get a floorstander" approach without considering the power factor needed for floorstanders. Chances are a bookshelf spkr thats well powered by a good receiver will sound better than an underpowered receiver trying hard to power a multi-driver, bigger cabinet space floorstander w/c requires more clean power for it to sound its best.

I have been trying to correct this a lot lately cuz I see this as a very common error everywhere: underpowered floorstanders. I know that not everyone can just grab a high model receiver and a FS at once since they are costly, but at least they can buy the right combination. Bookshelves being the safest...since most probably the subs are going to handle the LFE naman.

3.) All concrete? Naku problema yan. Add lots of curtains and fabric, but that would absorb the HF only. LF reverbs are the ones eating up your mids and highs. Try adding Bass traps. You can look for Manny Ongpauco thru your friendly neighbothood HT dealers. He sells reasonable priced acoustic treatments, but do test it first. I still have yet to try & review his product's effectiveness myself.

Sir Matz... thanks in many for enlighting me.... actually yung unit ko din ang ginamit ko sa store for demo b4 i purchase it... maybe bcuz yung store is acoustically modified kaya siguro lahat ng units pag nai-demo sa customer eh maganda talaga at ma-aapreciate mo ang sound quality ng product... acually sir, kaya ganyan ang binili kong set-up kasi guato ko ng blasting... yung tipong maririnig ng kapit-bahay (yabang ba)... kaso, disappointed me... anyway, andyan na yan eh.. right now ang 1 probs me is yung room space ko... how will i make my room to be acoustical... i will try to put some cork board (boards wat u see inside a radio station)... yun ba tawag dun???.. those boards kasi is use to minimize the amount of distortion inside a certain room... ile-lessen yung noise ba... 1 un sa mga paraan ko to appreciate my set up... di ko nga lang alam kung san makakabili nun.... once again sir matz thank you.... God Bless You Sir!!...

sanmig_ph · « **Reply #3289 on:** Oct 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM »

Quote from: jhunB! on Oct 17, 2006 at 07:28 PM

Sir Matz... thanks in many for enlighting me.... actually yung unit ko din ang ginamit ko sa store for demo b4 i purchase it... maybe bcuz yung store is acoustically modified kaya siguro lahat ng units pag nai-demo sa customer eh maganda talaga at ma-aapreciate mo ang sound quality ng product... acually sir, kaya ganyan ang binili kong set-up kasi guato ko ng blasting... yung tipong maririnig ng kapit-bahay (yabang ba)... kaso, disappointed me... anyway, andyan na yan eh.. right now ang 1 probs me is yung room space ko... how will i make my room to be acoustical... i will try to put some cork board (boards wat u see inside a radio station)... yun ba tawag dun???.. those boards kasi is use to minimize the amount of distortion inside a certain room... ile-lessen yung noise ba... 1 un sa mga paraan ko to appreciate my set up... di ko nga lang alam kung san makakabili nun.... once again sir matz thank you.... God Bless You Sir!!...

pareng jhun kulang yan sa calibration hehehe. sayang hindi mo na napakinggan yung bw 303 ko malamang mas match pa yon sa floorstander mo
sa bass lang cya kapos pero pag may sub naku panalong panalo ka na. pare kung gusto mo talaga malakas yung maririnig ng kapitbahay mo at magrereklamo kailangn mo talaga sub pare.yun sigurado reklamo kapibahay mo. may center kana ba & rear? baka wala pa kaya walang blasting.
pare curtain lang & fiberglass na ibalot mo sa tela yung ginawa ni munskie ok na yun pang acoustic treatment.

jhunB! · « **Reply #3290 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 10:26 AM »

Quote from: sanmig_ph on Oct 17, 2006 at 11:42 PM

pareng jhun kulang yan sa calibration hehehe. sayang hindi mo na napakinggan yung bw 303 ko malamang mas match pa yon sa floorstander mo
sa bass lang cya kapos pero pag may sub naku panalong panalo ka na. pare kung gusto mo talaga malakas yung maririnig ng kapitbahay mo at magrereklamo kailangn mo talaga sub pare.yun sigurado reklamo kapibahay mo. may center kana ba & rear? baka wala pa kaya walang blasting.
pare curtain lang & fiberglass na ibalot mo sa tela yung ginawa ni munskie ok na yun pang acoustic treatment.

Sir ok yun ah... very nice idea... try ko nga din yung fiberglass na binalot sa tela... kung curtain marami me kaso yung surroundings ko talaga ang problema kasi puro gawa sa semento yung haus ko... a 3m x 4m with 1 room extension (open door/ wooden wall division), another factor is also proper positioning of my equipment... actually sir, di ko pa talaga na-e-explore yung unit ko 'til now eh... i think pwede din naman yan i-calibrate kahit 2ch lang gamit ko kso di ko alam gawin... yung manual kasi parang magulo intindihin (english eh)... di ko alam kung lasing ang gumawa o ako lang ang lasing.... plano ko na din bumili ng sub di december pa (12' sub) pero yung center & surround next tym na lang muna ksi more on music lang gamit ko.... many thanks ulit sir sanmig... maganda 'to daanin na lang muna natin sa SANMIG, sama natin si sir Matz.... korek???....

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3291 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 10:50 AM »

Quote from: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 06:42 PM

sir Matz, sensya na kc m new to this 1 ndi ko p masyado alam.. pero ndi ko rin sure kung anu mdl ang gamit nila.. hinulaan ko lng

btw, how do i send a pic to you pala sir Matz..??

Ok lang yun bro. Post mo na lang set up mo sa HT gallery. I can analyze from there. Aside from me, marami pang ibang willing tumulong. Ganyan dito sa pdvd.

Pero if your problem is lack of sonic characteristics due to using 2 different level receivers (high end vs mid level) mentioned above, Honestly I think the answer is already there and room acoustics wont be the solution.

Quote from: jhunB! on Oct 18, 2006 at 10:26 AM

Sir ok yun ah... very nice idea... try ko nga din yung fiberglass na binalot sa tela... kung curtain marami me kaso yung surroundings ko talaga ang problema kasi puro gawa sa semento yung haus ko... a 3m x 4m with 1 room extension (open door/ wooden wall division), another factor is also proper positioning of my equipment... actually sir, di ko pa talaga na-e-explore yung unit ko 'til now eh... i think pwede din naman yan i-calibrate kahit 2ch lang gamit ko kso di ko alam gawin... yung manual kasi parang magulo intindihin (english eh)... di ko alam kung lasing ang gumawa o ako lang ang lasing.... plano ko na din bumili ng sub di december pa (12' sub) pero yung center & surround next tym na lang muna ksi more on music lang gamit ko.... many thanks ulit sir sanmig... maganda 'to daanin na lang muna natin sa SANMIG, sama natin si sir Matz.... korek???....

Unfortunately, curtains and other absorbing materials treat the high and mid frequencies. Eh di ba yun nga yung kulang & kinakain ng bass? tapos kakainin pa ng sound absorbers...

. You might need to move your speakers forward if they are too near the wall to reduce bass and if it still doesnt work, try spending for bass traps.

Remember, acoustics is very important in this hobby and it helps improve your listening experience. Even high end gears would sound crappy in a room with no acoustic considerations.

Medyo OT na tayo, baka mapagalitan

newbie pa rin · « **Reply #3292 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 11:34 AM »

Quote from: alx on Oct 17, 2006 at 05:25 PM

sir newbie, how long does it takes to break in my hk? iv bin using this amp 4 maybe 1 month now with my old speaker.. everyday use of approxim8ly 3hrs per day.. ano pala speaker mo setup with ur avr 235?

actuali sa showroom they use onkyo 901 + onkyo na dvd player.. i did demo the 602 with my hk sa shop but cant remember how it sounded. i use only nextbase dvd player using monster coax. ang wall namin is cement with wallpaper while un ceiling is may kahoy p.. also our sala is full of things tables etc. maybe i will take a pix den send it 2 u sir Matz, kung ok lng den make a comment. or pwede ko rin sya ilipat sa room ko..

is hk 340 underpower for bw 602 s3?

The way you're using it I think another month or month and a half would break in your receiver.

Onkyo and HK have different sonic signature.
What I like with HK is its clarity and this is also what I don't like most.

Im also using a nextbase DVD player, an HK 235, 602S3 and LCR60 and pioneer speakers for surround.
You can check it under our HT Gallery.

If you're near Makati I can invite you so you can hear my setup.
That way you can compare it against your and do the tweaks that you need like speaker placement and room acoustics.

Your receiver is more powerful than what I have so It should sing much better.

alx · « **Reply #3293 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 12:14 PM »

sir newbie, most of the time nasa makati naman ako.. my cell is 0922- 8201895, please tex me ur location and wen ko pwede makita setup mo.. thanks vmuch!

jhunB! · « **Reply #3294 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 12:53 PM »

Quote from: MAtZTER on Oct 18, 2006 at 10:50 AM

Ok lang yun bro. Post mo na lang set up mo sa HT gallery. I can analyze from there. Aside from me, marami pang ibang willing tumulong. Ganyan dito sa pdvd.

Pero if your problem is lack of sonic characteristics due to using 2 different level receivers (high end vs mid level) mentioned above, Honestly I think the answer is already there and room acoustics wont be the solution.

Unfortunately, curtains and other absorbing materials treat the high and mid frequencies. Eh di ba yun nga yung kulang & kinakain ng bass? tapos kakainin pa ng sound absorbers... . You might need to move your speakers forward if they are too near the wall to reduce bass and if it still doesnt work, try spending for bass traps.

Remember, acoustics is very important in this hobby and it helps improve your listening experience. Even high end gears would sound crappy in a room with no acoustic considerations.

Medyo OT na tayo, baka mapagalitan

Yah sori po medyo ot... anyway, on this matter, i am looking for short corrective action/s on how to at least fine tune my HK235 just to lessen the amount of crakky sound even on 2ch set up... hoping that even there's a mismatch between my equipment and my current room, baka lang mapaayos ko ng konti sa tulong ng nakakarami... maybe there's a short solution/s w/o spending. I am not convince through reading at the manual coz its too complicated to understand... If also performing calibration of HK235 would be a solution even using 2ch, pwede kaya 'to??... actually, natatakot me gawin yun kso baka magakamali me in exploring my system at di ko na maibalik sa dati kaya kayong mga experts me nagtatanong becuz of your experiences.. hope anyone here will teach me the proper way of calibrating my system... Sir sanmig, hope u can help me too.... Many thanks to everyone....

jhunB! · « **Reply #3295 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 12:56 PM »

btw, here's my cp # 09206570744... pls txt me your landline and i will reach anyone of you to seek a help... thank you very much....

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3296 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 01:33 PM »

jhunB! I just remembered that I had this same problem the first time I had my HK. I forgot to change the setting for listening distance. Baka kasi your setting is at default, if its at 4m then the sound is better at that distance. Set it to your distance from speaker to sofa. Hope that helps. If not , ilayo mo speakers mo sa wall. If not, get bass traps. If not... If not....

jhunB! · « **Reply #3297 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 02:37 PM »

Quote from: MAtZTER on Oct 18, 2006 at 01:33 PM

jhunB! I just remembered that I had this same problem the first time I had my HK. I forgot to change the setting for listening distance. Baka kasi your setting is at default, if its at 4m then the sound is better at that distance. Set it to your distance from speaker to sofa. Hope that helps. If not , ilayo mo speakers mo sa wall. If not, get bass traps. If not... If not....

Sir meron ba ang HK235 nun?.. i'll try to do that at home... if not, i'll pursue myself to get a bass traps (magkano kaya un

) if not pa din, i'll pack my things then throw it on the garbage (wag naman po

)... sir baka pwede kau makausap thru phone (if ever) so that i can ask questions from you personally (ok lang?).. nsa opis me ngayon, bukas morning nsa haus me. Maraming salamat po!!!!

scofield · « **Reply #3298 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 05:02 PM »

Sir Mat,

sa pag kakaintindi ko sa mga post mo...ibig mo ba sabihin, for example ang set-up ko ay Primus line na bookshelf (c25, 160 at 150) na powered by AVR 135, pag nag palit ba ako ng AVR 335 ang resulta ay mas lalong gaganda ang mga primus line na speaker ko? di ba ma oover power naman sila kung msyado mataas ang ipang da-drive sa kanila?

balak ko kase mag upgrade ng AVR. maliit lang ang room ko 5mx5m lng. So far satisfied ako sa set up ko, minsan lang napapansin ko yung sinasabi mong bright ang mga entry level na AVR ng HK. Hindi ko nga alam kung psychological lang o totoo eh.

Pag dating sa HT wala ako problema solve, pero lately sa audio listening parang bright nga. Ang gusto ko kase sa audio eh yun bang mas lutang ng kaunti ang boses kesa sa background. Pati pag nakikinig ako ng mga audio na may brass instruments medyo masakit nga sa tenga..

ano kaya sa opinyon mo sir?

salamat

MAtZTER · « **Reply #3299 on:** Oct 18, 2006 at 05:35 PM »

Sir scofield,

Recommendations lang naman sila based on my experiences & auditions. Dont take my word or anyone's here as a sole option. Only your ears can tell you if your system is good or not. If your system sounds ok to you already, then its good.

The Primus you got are bookshelves and your combination with the 135 is just right IMO. What I usually recommend is not to use the lowest model AVR's for floorstanders w/c tends to be common. Its like loading a 1.1 li engine car (entry level) with very heavy people vs a 2.4l Camry or 2.7l Fortuner (higher model AVRs) with the same load...they will both get you to your destination, but which would perform better and give a better ride?

Danrd can aswer the difference between a 135 and a 335, he owned both. try to read his post a few pages back.

Di sya mag o overpower. Primus 160 is rated @ 10-150w and the AVR 335 is just 55-65w. I am feeding (true) 195w to my 100 w speakers and ang ganda ng tunog, IMnsHO

. Di naman nasisira.

I cant say its psychological for me cuz my ears can hear the brightness in several of my auditions. And using entry level AVRs before, I hear the speakers sound crazily bright during very demanding HT scenes. Do audition the higher models, iba talaga tunog nila. These higher models are not there for fancy looks or company profit purposes. They do tend to excel better, specially in music.

A general observation I got was that the higher models were warmer, as they have more reserve power and better quality parts.

PS, I am not connected to these AVR companies. I just heard what the upper & lower models can do, thus share it with fellow members.