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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #120 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 03:10 PM »
tenx sir onedown  ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #121 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 04:02 PM »
thank you for all your replies guys.

as a matter of correction, i knew the AVR-2550 (or AVR-225 in the USA), is a 5x55Watts in HT and 2x65watts in stereo 2-channel and a big current (28 amp) reserve for peaks

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #122 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 04:50 PM »
sori for the previous email.

AVR 2550 is 5x40 in HT and 2x50 in 2ch stereo

isnt this an old model since avr x25 series are out in the market? kaya medyo baba na presyo HK here?

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #123 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 05:10 PM »

isnt this an old model since avr x25 series are out in the market? kaya medyo baba na presyo HK here?

No, X25 versions are for US Customers
while the XX50 is for Europe and Asian version.

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #124 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 07:50 PM »
nakakainip na talaga. i hope dumating na by next week iyung inorder ko na hk5500. lalo na ngayong kinuha na ng friend ko iyung yamaha ko, and ang gamit ko lang ngayon is a pro-logic receiver.  :'(

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #125 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 08:03 PM »
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #126 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 08:13 PM »
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?

wala pa sa akin iyung hk5500 ko but my speakers are b&w 601s2. buti na lang merong b&w 601s3 sa architectural audio kaya iyun ang ginamit namin sa demo. and since nagandahan ako sa tunog ng harman with the b&w, panatag ang loob ko na matched siya doon sa speaker na na gagamitin ko. i asked nico kung namimili ba ng speaker iyung harman. ang sagot niya is dapat daw ay di namin ipares sa "dull" na speakers. he means the speakers should have good highs.

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #127 on: Feb 28, 2003 at 09:20 PM »
tenx sir enygma sa info,

walang distributor kasi ng HK dito sa Qatar eh kya try ko sa kalapit bansa UAE, meron siguro.  Baka sakaling mas mura kumpara diyan. :D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #128 on: Mar 01, 2003 at 01:29 PM »
talagang mas mura ang mga receivers diyan sa pinas kesa rito sa mid east....

ive just asked the price of HK5500 in UAE, Dubai and it is a whooping 2970 dirhams = 45,000 pesos......

it's better to buy it from there..... ;D ;D ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #129 on: Mar 05, 2003 at 01:44 AM »
cge qatarman uwi ka na bili ka ng hk reciever ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #130 on: Mar 05, 2003 at 09:12 PM »
cge qatarman uwi ka na bili ka ng hk reciever ;D
ive tried pare pro di pa available sa archi audio ;D ;D ;D ;D
next week pa raw ang delivery... :D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #131 on: Mar 13, 2003 at 10:13 PM »
sir enygma anong speakers ang match mo sa 5500 mo?

wala pa sa akin iyung hk5500 ko but my speakers are b&w 601s2. buti na lang merong b&w 601s3 sa architectural audio kaya iyun ang ginamit namin sa demo. and since nagandahan ako sa tunog ng harman with the b&w, panatag ang loob ko na matched siya doon sa speaker na na gagamitin ko. i asked nico kung namimili ba ng speaker iyung harman. ang sagot niya is dapat daw ay di namin ipares sa "dull" na speakers. he means the speakers should have good highs.

sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #132 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 03:48 PM »
Harman Kardon could really be the best amp (he he he)! Why?

You see, one time, I came across with an internet site which publish review of AVRs, and I quote “the Harman Kardon has a penchant for Class A amplifier”.

So that’s why, I said. So this explains a lot about their specs figure. So if you care, let me explain further.

Class A vs. Class B amplifiers.

Class B amplifiers are the most popular tech of amplifiers. This is manufactured by the majority of brands. Todate, I only encountered HK doing otherwise (class A) and Panasonic about a thing called class H.

Sonically, Class A is very clean (short of saying distortion free). If there is at all distortion figure in HK, it may probably came from its preamp stages (tone controls, processor circuits, etc). Class B (in its raw form) has distortion issue, but the addition of extra preamp stages somehow resolve this figure to the minimum.

However, class A amp are the most inefficient of amplifiers. When you say classB will deliver 50 watts of music power, the power consumed to deliver such music power is almost the same – 50 watts. For class A amplifiers, delivering 50 watts of music power is to consume around 150 watts (actually 200 watts theoretically).

This explains the HK specs. With HK 2550 you have,

Power Consumption 72W idle,580W maximum (2 channels driven)

In idle stereo mode, as in no music being made, HK 2550 will consume 72 watts (preamp plus amp stage).

Let’s say 20% of this is attributed to preamp stages, this makes 58 watts idle power (for both channels).

HK2550 was measured to deliver clean power up to about 73.4 watts (maximum). So if you attain a listening power of say 75 watts – then the consumption will be about 75watts (per channel) x2 (stereo) x 3 (factor of class A) or about 450 watts consumption (using 4 as factor can end you in 600 watts or near the 580 watts in the specs sheet!).

This also explain that upon powering up, HK will get hot even without driving any music (idle) – this is equivalent to the 72watts idle mode.

So, if you have 5 channels in idle mode, then you will have at least 58 watts (per channel idle) x 5 (channels) or roughly 300 watts + 14 watts (attributed to preamp stages) or a total of 314 watts (idle power pa lang to ha). And when you start driving your amp (listen to music) to the amp limit (at 75 watts), you can easily approach the 600watts (with the additional 300 watts or 5channels of 60watts HT mode) .

This also explain why its power supply should be able to handle big currents (note the HCC blitz).


I have a Yamaha vintage (AVR-1000) with switchable class B or Class A amp. Too hot when in class A – but so good a music.

HK & Rotel? HK has the edge in sonics due to its amplifier design but at the expense of more wasted power (300%). So with the Meralco PPA, at least you know how your HK will be affecting your hidden bill. If music is more important than the bill, HK is simply the best – but will cost you more operating it.

Me? Dreaming of owning an HK 3550 - will be used mostly for stereo listening. - ENJOY!!!

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #133 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 04:03 PM »
Yehey, dumadami ang mga Harman Kardon Fanatics.

Harman Kardon Rules!!

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #134 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 04:08 PM »
Yehey, dumadami ang mga Harman Kardon Fanatics.

Harman Kardon Rules!!

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!

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« Reply #135 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 04:19 PM »

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!

Currently wala pa (I currently owned a Prologic Receiver).

 I just auditioned most of the receivers (except marantz) with the price ranged from 15K to 25K.

And the best to my ears are the H/K Receivers.

I am eyeing for the 3550 model. Probably this coming month of April.

Will post my review.

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« Reply #136 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 04:22 PM »

Bro what model of HK do you own? Can you also share your reviews? Thanks!!

Currently wala pa (I currently owned a Prologic Receiver).

 I just auditioned most of the receivers (except marantz) with the price ranged from 15K to 25K.

And the best to my ears are the H/K Receivers.

I am eyeing for the 3550 model. Probably this coming month of April.

Will post my review.


Ah ok..thanks!! Will be upgrading my receiver too

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #137 on: Mar 14, 2003 at 07:49 PM »
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?
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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #138 on: Mar 15, 2003 at 06:06 PM »
   Mga bossing, got a question with u guys.... because, I just went to Architectural Audio today to listen with the h/k.....and grabe! ang galing tumunog...I'm looking to pair it kasi with mission speakers....ok bang combination ito? btw oks din nga pala ang service nila, very accomodating....Thanks a lot Epoy...looking forward to bring my speakers with ur shop one of these days :).    

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #139 on: Mar 16, 2003 at 12:52 AM »
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?

di pako nakakabili ng speakers eh pro i decided na ke nirvblkr... kso dipako nakakapunta sa kanya dahil sa hk na ito na ketagal tagal dumating ng pinas....  ive called archie kanina at sabi nga ni epoy eh ayaw mag commit ng distributor na by Monday eh lalabas iyon. anyways pag labas noon hopefully by Tuesday eh tatakbo na ko agad ke nirv para ma set up na ang dapat i set up.

nakabili na ko ng tv at dvd (both philips) so hk na lang at speakers then sa susunod na uwi cd player naman.  I saw a 60 cd changer pioneer ata iyon on sale sa qatar di ko mantadaan eh siguro 200-300 bucks iyon.... nag audition ako ng nad sa spectra oks naman then sa megamall marantz naman...  pro iyong mga sales man mismo doon eh nire recommend ang hk kahit wala silang unit noon

oonga months na paghihintay mo.... ako weeks pa lang naman so far so hopefully Monday lumbas na... ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #140 on: Mar 16, 2003 at 03:30 AM »
I heard some missions played on an avr5500 ,no problems driving them, I owned previously an avr2000 which sounded good on diamond 8.1's, kulang lang sa lakas. I now own a NADT752 and matches real well with my speakers  (custom made speakers).

H/K's amps to me sound flat, so the best speakers to pair with them are those with metal dome tweeters para mas ok sa high freqs. this is not to say I don't like em (its a tossup for me between NAD and H/K) its just like in any setup system matching is important. Oh and H/K's receivers can handle difficult loads, the 4 ohm jbl scs 135 when it was used with an onkyo 494 receiver....wala di man lang mag-on yung receiver..the auto-protect circuit prevents it from doing so, but when it was played through an avr 1550...no problems :)

Qatarman: how much is your budget for the speakers ?  
I suggest you have your front and rear as floorstanders try the AA4 speakers from nirvblakr. you can see the pics from this site: http://photos.yahoo.com/nirvblakr , sayang kasi maganda yang avr5500 and it should power those speakers with ease :) why am I confident with that? my NADT752 matches well with the floorstanding speakers I bought from nirvblakr and it can play it loud..real loud  and with bass to boot ;D The h/k 5500's amps should work well also. just my two cents.


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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #141 on: Mar 16, 2003 at 08:01 AM »
john5479,
 
      Thanks dude for your comments, thats a big help for me before deciding to go for it, pero might go for the lower model, i'm eyeing the h/k3550 medyo tight ang budget eh ;).....thanks again :)

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #142 on: Mar 16, 2003 at 11:08 PM »

Qatarman: how much is your budget for the speakers ?  
I suggest you have your front and rear as floorstanders try the AA4 speakers from nirvblakr. you can see the pics from this site: http://photos.yahoo.com/nirvblakr , sayang kasi maganda yang avr5500 and it should power those speakers with ease :) why am I confident with that? my NADT752 matches well with the floorstanding speakers I bought from nirvblakr and it can play it loud..real loud  and with bass to boot ;D The h/k 5500's amps should work well also. just my two cents.



bro,
i still don't know what speakers from nirv will i buy.. pro probably nasa 12-15k depends kung lalabas na ang hk this week mula sa customs.  

what do you think is the best floor standing center and rear speakers will pair with hk from nirv?  

tenx sa review mo... learned a lot from it. ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #143 on: Mar 17, 2003 at 11:08 PM »
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sir enygma, mukhang ilang araw na lang ang paghihintay natin sa hk... dumating na raw at nasa custom na so insiallah by monday nasa archie audio na he he he ;D ;D ;D konting tiis na lang ;D ;D ;D

qatarman, long time no hear ha.  :) so harman na rin pala ang pinili mo in the end. nagaudition ka pa ba ng ibang a/v receivers aside from harman. comments naman diyan!!! i got a reply from archie audio na nasa customs na nga iyung mga bagong dumating na unit and by early next week na ang dating sa kanila. konting tiis na lang ba? actually, sobrang pagtitiis na talaga dahil almost a month na akong di nakakapanood ng dvd eh because iyung previous unit ko ay nabili na. hehehe what about your speakers? nakabili ka na rin ba?
enygma, just visited archie audio today at ive met nico (veryaccommodating guy).  stayed there for less than an hour hoping na later today ay darating ang hk but to no avail.....  but nico guranteed me na this week definitely lalabas na sa customs.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ginaya na kita binayaran ko na rin since nangako na si nico eh  ;D ;D ;D ;D  insiallah........ before friday makuha ko na then off to nirvblkr for my speakers.... ;D ;D ;D....

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« Reply #144 on: Mar 18, 2003 at 07:03 AM »
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enygma, just visited archie audio today at ive met nico (veryaccommodating guy).  stayed there for less than an hour hoping na later today ay darating ang hk but to no avail.....  but nico guranteed me na this week definitely lalabas na sa customs.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ginaya na kita binayaran ko na rin since nangako na si nico eh  ;D ;D ;D ;D  insiallah........ before friday makuha ko na then off to nirvblkr for my speakers.... ;D ;D ;D....

hahaha. nagbayad ka na rin pala. baka kasi may mapadaang ibang gustong bumili at maunahan pa tayo noh.  ;D ineexpect natin na darating na tapos nung nandiyan na nabenta naman kaagad at naubos. ang kinalabasan antay tayo ulit. hehehe actually, nung mga time na naghahanap ako ng receiver ng harman, nakakita rin ako ng avr 5500 sa spectra but i decided na sa archie na bumili because of the service that i've got from them. pag napapadaan nga ako sa shop nila to inquire about something, inaabot na ako ng pagsasara ng shop nila dahil sa kwentuhan. last time na nandoon ako ay may nagpademo ng avr 2550. and nakita ko talaga how they treat their customers. superb talaga! kaya nga di na ako nagtataka kung bakit ikaw nagbayad na rin tulad ko.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #145 on: Mar 18, 2003 at 08:50 PM »
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hahaha. nagbayad ka na rin pala. baka kasi may mapadaang ibang gustong bumili at maunahan pa tayo noh.  ;D ineexpect natin na darating na tapos nung nandiyan na nabenta naman kaagad at naubos. ang kinalabasan antay tayo ulit. hehehe actually, nung mga time na naghahanap ako ng receiver ng harman, nakakita rin ako ng avr 5500 sa spectra but i decided na sa archie na bumili because of the service that i've got from them. pag napapadaan nga ako sa shop nila to inquire about something, inaabot na ako ng pagsasara ng shop nila dahil sa kwentuhan. last time na nandoon ako ay may nagpademo ng avr 2550. and nakita ko talaga how they treat their customers. superb talaga! kaya nga di na ako nagtataka kung bakit ikaw nagbayad na rin tulad ko.  ;D ;D ;D
bwe he he he tama ka, isa pang dahilan eh kaya binayaran ko na eh  nagagastos ko lang ang pambili ko.  Magastos ang nakabasyon, puro palabas walang papasok  ;D ;D ;D ;D  tatawag ako bukas ke nico at follow up ko kung may definite date na ang delivery sa archie audio. ;D ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #146 on: Mar 22, 2003 at 06:37 AM »
yehey!!!! just got my new receiver from archie audio yesterday, the hk5500 after a month of waiting.  :) naiset-up ko na last night at buti na lang nagprint ako ng manual sa internet before i got this unit. napagaralan ko ng husto ng isang buwan kaya no problem na naiset-up ko kaagad. mahirap kasi ang user interface ng harman dahil wala kang makikitang schematic diagram sa manual. so if you're a beginner, talagang mahihirapan ka. anyway, just like what i expected grabe ang sound talaga ng harman. i'm now using my sansui floorstander aside from b&w at kahit di ako gumamit ng subwoofer, oks na oks ang bass niya. ang laki ng difference from my previous receiver. and iyung logic 7 niya was a bonus talaga. di na nga ako nakatulog para mabreak-in ko na itong receiver ko. by the way, ubos kaagad iyung apat na hk5500 kahapon sa archie audio. kararating nga lang din nung hapon at wala pang isang oras, ubos na lahat. iyung tatlong unit, kinuha na kahapon including me at iyung isa ngayong araw pa raw kukunin ng may-ari. may parating pang mga unit this week sabi ni nico and iyung 3550 naman daw sa end of this month pa ang dating. so if you're planning to upgrade your receiver, you'll never go wrong with harman.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #147 on: Mar 22, 2003 at 02:24 PM »
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #148 on: Mar 22, 2003 at 06:41 PM »
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

thanks!


superman,

i already tested this morning the capability of the hk5500 esp the logic 7, talagang ibang iba with my previous receiver. before when i watched dvd's kailangan ko pang hinaan iyung receiver ko dahil nabibingi na ko while in harman habang nagtatagal lalo siyang gumaganda sa tenga. so imbes na hinaan mo siya, lalo mo siyang lalakasan. it blends well with my sansui floorstander kaya di na ko gumagamit ng subwoofer. hehehe 15" ba naman yung size ng woofer niya. i do have a pair of b&w 601s2 and i use that when i listen to 2 channel stereo only. i'm planning to buy a  banana plug so that i can interchange my speaker with ease since walang a/b selector iyung 5500. maybe next upgrade ko is speaker cable, maybe i'll try ecosse. for now, i'm using ixos 6003. for it's price and performance, hk 5500 is a good choice. i'll post another review after i watched the dvd's and vcd's (to test the logic 7) that i rented today. sabik na akong manood coz sabi ko nga 1 month akong nagantay bago dumating iyung mga bagong stocks ng 5500.  ;D ;D ;D
« Last Edit: Mar 22, 2003 at 06:43 PM by enygma »

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Re:harman/kardon avr
« Reply #149 on: Mar 23, 2003 at 12:40 AM »
congrats in your new harman receiver, bro. enygma! ;D

enjoy...please post your reviews here for our fellow members...

bro. qatarman, ikaw din ha, advanced congrats!!! ;D

thanks!

superman  8)

tenx, got mine as well nice meeting you enygma.  congrats at na set up mo na.  me i have not kasi no time din binuksan ko pa lang ang box at binabasa basa ang manual.  you are right enygma hindi ganoon kagaling ang harman sa manual.  ang kapal ng manual nila kala ko intensive ang info iyon pala konti lang  kya kumapal dahil translated sa 100 languages he he he he....

i guess set ko ang hk ko next week na dahil medyo busy rin ako dahil lagi akong tinatawagan ni bush sa plano nila ;D ;D ;D

post ko na lang ang question... definitely meron iyon.


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