Topic: The Plasma Thread

[dB10]

Comparison of 7G & 8G (Kuro) Pioneer Plasmas


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7G = Below
8G = Above

HI can i ask where you got these pictures from? looks like the location is a house or a home-office, is it here locally na?

[[r]ichkri3g]

^^ got it from the AVS Forums. 

Pioneer 8th Gen Kuro Plasma Philippine Launch = November/December 2007

[staind01]

nukkee, yup that seems like burn in all right.

burn in is the only issue (and a major one at that) that's holding me back in buying a plasma. we watch SDTV with black bars on the sides coz i can't stand them stretched, squatted pictures! i fear the burn in of them black bars... and also of the channel logos, etc.

also use our HDTV for gaming and as a monitor. no burn-in issues with LCD so so far, so good.

really want the plasma PQ though so i'm in a dilemma.

[nukee]

Well mine was gone after a few hours of the anti burn-in function of the TV. However, i cannot deny the fact that I'm a little bit paranoid with burn-in at the moment. But in truth image retention and burn-in are only noticeable when you look for them and under pure white or black background. Sometimes i think it's there but most people don't see it. I think i just see it because I'm paranoid already. I use my plasma with gaming through the ps3. You just have to take care of it. Put it in pause or just change channel when you are playing long enough.

It is really a trade to think off. But PQ of plasma is still ahead of LCD specially in terms of broadcast television and normal dvd's. Of course it's closer when it comes to high definition videos. But how often do you watch DVD's, bluray, hd dvd, etc., compared to broadcast TV. I still think plasma is a better choice, when you are really using it for viewing, for a monitor no question the lcd is the winner.

[kt]

finally decided to get the panasonic 50pv70. break in time! hehe

[vtec3]

finally decided to get the panasonic 50pv70. break in time! hehe

konting oras na lang and puro happy moments na  sulit talaga yan Plasma 

[kt]

konting oras na lang and puro happy moments na  sulit talaga yan Plasma 

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bro! hehe kelangn talaga sulitin para sulit din ang gastos! hehe 

[vtec3]

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bro! hehe kelangn talaga sulitin para sulit din ang gastos! hehe 

yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod  as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling    feeling walang pera 

[kt]

yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod  as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling    feeling walang pera 

haha sinabi mo pa bro! parang bgla nga ko tuloy nahawa sayo!!!! haha parang naliliitan ako tuloy tingnan yung speakers ko...haha pero these MS can really sing! ano balak mo speakers?

[dB10]

yup i know yung sakin nagsimula sa Plasma ngayon Pasma na ako kaka kayod  as i told you need to change din my HT para kumpleto sa feeling    feeling walang pera 

bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!

[kt]

bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!

tama ka dyan bro! buti yung napag gastusan natin ay nakikita n nagagamit mo lagi! hehe 

[vtec3]

bros, ganun din naman, kung hindi a/v sure na iba naman gastusan natin, mabuti na ito walang sabit kahit anong oras natin gusto gamitin walang by-product na problema, sa kuryente lang!

agree ako diyan, no regrets sa Plasma purchase  yun nga lang the price of the units now are cheaper compared to mths ago 

[vtec3]

haha sinabi mo pa bro! parang bgla nga ko tuloy nahawa sayo!!!! haha parang naliliitan ako tuloy tingnan yung speakers ko...haha pero these MS can really sing! ano balak mo speakers?

When I was planning to buy the Plasma, it was just a matter of timing dahil konti lang ang choices  but with the upgrade in speakers naku mahirap, buti na lang madami mabait sa forum na handang tumulong at magbigay ng suggestions (b&w, paradigm, mission not decided pa. Over budget na) 

[Archie]

kailangan ba mag color calibration mga plasma as suggested by the current issue of HWM?

[kt]

When I was planning to buy the Plasma, it was just a matter of timing dahil konti lang ang choices  but with the upgrade in speakers naku mahirap, buti na lang madami mabait sa forum na handang tumulong at magbigay ng suggestions (b&w, paradigm, mission not decided pa. Over budget na) 

haha ayan na ang SARS bro! wala yatang gamot dyan....hehe patay kung patay! bili na! pa audi nalng ha? hehe 

[Toslink]

Enhanced Definition TV.  ED refers to resolution (480p). 

Don't bother with EDTV if you're shopping for a new 42" Panasonic Viera. 

The Panasonic Philippines website phased out its EDTVs and introduced two new 42 inchers for the Phil. 10th generation line, both 768p:

Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K  , (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades 

[dB10]

congrats on a happy purchase! Thats a nice price for a 42" monitor.

[pekspert]

Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K  , (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades 

did you check out the prices at theaterworks? i think they have a edtv for 49k (without speakers/tiuner) and a complete one for about the same price as you got with wall bracket.... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na

[Toslink]

did you check out the prices at theaterworks? i think they have a edtv for 49k (without speakers/tiuner) and a complete one for about the same price as you got with wall bracket.... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na

complete na wala lang hdmi input/s at stand.... complete with tv tuner/component/pc input/wall brackets/speakers, nagkamali lang ako ng sulat  not bad for 66k plasma edtv  : ... nakita ko yung 49k walang tuner/etc talagang monitor lang.

[Toslink]

... ako nga im leaning towards the vizio na P55k (720p) kasi may pip/pop functions na

ganun din yung sakin with pip/pop functions din yun nga lang 420p lang sya gud for standard dvd may WOW factor din... can also be upgrade to 720p for 6k (order kalang abroad) dito kasi sabi nila nasa 13k daw pa-upgrade 

[vtec3]

ganun din yung sakin with pip/pop functions din yun nga lang 420p lang sya gud for standard dvd may WOW factor din... can also be upgrade to 720p for 6k (order kalang abroad) dito kasi sabi nila nasa 13k daw pa-upgrade 

I have auditioned that model when prices was a lot more higher than how much you got it for. And I agree na may WOW factor din when watching standard DVDs  Congrats on your purchase!

[Toslink]

I have auditioned that model when prices was a lot more higher than how much you got it for. And I agree na may WOW factor din when watching standard DVDs  Congrats on your purchase!

thank you sir, got it @66k complete na...  pang cable tv viewing lang nman at standard dvd 

[barrister]

Just got Panasonic TH42PWD8 EDTV only last monday @ LIS festival for 66K  , (with speakers/all inputs except HDMI/tv tuner/wall bracket with 2 yrs local panasonic warranty) purely for TV watching/videoke lang and for my 4yr old son na mahilig ulitin yung mga disney cartoons nya. Installed it behind my 108" PJ screen, so far im very satisfied sa PQ kahit 480p lang. Upgradable naman for HDMI module terminal board (720P?) $120+ yata ito sa u.s. kaya no problem for 720p upgrades 

Congrats on your fine purchase, sir Toslink!  Try it on a standard DVD and you'll be surprised at how well it handles the input. 

I myself am using a Panasonic EDTV, and I'm very satisfied.  They've had a lot of time to get EDTV right, so the picture is probably as good as plasma can get for standard DVD at recommended viewing distances.

Even the 10th generation consumer model Panasonic still has minor defects, you know.  My 42" 9G model (consumer 480p) has absolutely no buzz even on an all-white screen, and has absolutely no purple snakes.  However, I've been reading on the web that the 42" 10G model (768p) has buzzing and minor purple snake artifacts.


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From http://www.th42px70.co.uk/:

Weaknesses:

• Some mild posterization and magenta noise in scenes containing subtle gradation
• Some high-frequency buzz during scenes with high contrast

From http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860:

The previous generation of Panasonic plasmas was haunted with what is known as "purple snake" or "purple ants", where purple bands or pixels with appear around green areas with small change of gradient. In the TH-42PX70 I couldn't really see it when sitting from 8 feet away, but if I move closer to the screen at say 3 feet I would notice it... IF I'm looking for it. Just something worth bearing in mind.


   

[Toslink]

Congrats on your fine purchase, sir Toslink!  Try it on a standard DVD and you'll be surprised at how well it handles the input. 

I myself am using a Panasonic EDTV, and I'm very satisfied.  They've had a lot of time to get EDTV right, so the picture is probably as good as plasma can get for standard DVD at recommended viewing distances.

Even the 10th generation consumer model Panasonic still has minor defects, you know.  My 42" 9G model (consumer 480p) has absolutely no buzz even on an all-white screen, and has absolutely no purple snakes.  However, I've been reading on the web that the 42" 10G model (768p) has buzzing and minor purple snake artifacts.


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From http://www.th42px70.co.uk/:

Weaknesses:

• Some mild posterization and magenta noise in scenes containing subtle gradation
• Some high-frequency buzz during scenes with high contrast

From http://ezinearticles.com/?TH-42PX70-Review---Panasonic-Viera-42-1080p-Plasma-TV&id=501860:

The previous generation of Panasonic plasmas was haunted with what is known as "purple snake" or "purple ants", where purple bands or pixels with appear around green areas with small change of gradient. In the TH-42PX70 I couldn't really see it when sitting from 8 feet away, but if I move closer to the screen at say 3 feet I would notice it... IF I'm looking for it. Just something worth bearing in mind.

tnx sir barrister  ... so far so good wala akong makitang "purple snake/ants" sa TH42PWD8WSE plasma ko even as close as 1foot (naduduling na nga ako eh  ) also no buzzing sound on all white screen, ewan ko lang siguro bago pa unit ko maybe pag medyo naluma na pero wag naman sana.... dvd movies no problem crystal clear talaga and nice skin tone and blacks! kahit nka cinema mode sya (color/tint/brightness/contrast are all set to 0)  lalo na kung normal mode... viewing distance ko is about 3.8meters... im more concerned sa burn-in issues ng plasma  :'(  for the 1st 100 hrs of usage! tiis lang ng konti sa cinema mode and all safety features are all set to "on" 

[Trig]

Question lang po regarding break-in. When watching Regular tv w/ station logo, gano katagal bago kelangan magswitch ng chanel para nde mag-burn-in?

para sa mga pana pv70 owners, may option ba dun to zoom para nde lumabas yng station logo?

tenks

[kt]

Question lang po regarding break-in. When watching Regular tv w/ station logo, gano katagal bago kelangan magswitch ng chanel para nde mag-burn-in?

para sa mga pana pv70 owners, may option ba dun to zoom para nde lumabas yng station logo?

tenks

hi bro! yup u can use the zoom aspect of the pv70. pero minsan sa zoom1 mode may lower part parin ng logos na naiiwan. u can try the zoom2 or 3 pero masyado na cropped eh

[Titanium]

Co forumers,

Ive been reading a lot of posts lately re LCD and Plasma Tv's. I thought burn-in  in panasonic pv70  plasmas is no longer an issue. Why are owners so conscious about it as if the burn-in issue is as hot as when first generation plasmas appeared in the market. What is really the score when it comes to burn-in ?

[barrister]

tnx sir barrister  ... so far so good wala akong makitang "purple snake/ants" sa TH42PWD8WSE plasma ko even as close as 1foot (naduduling na nga ako eh  ) also no buzzing sound on all white screen, ewan ko lang siguro bago pa unit ko maybe pag medyo naluma na pero wag naman sana....

No need to worry about purple snakes dahil wala naman talagang purple snakes issue sa model mo.  (The correct technical term is "magenta noise" or "magenta banding" )

Sa 42" Panasonic plasma, dalawang models lang ang nagkaroon ng purple snakes -- 42PX60 and 42PX600 (9th gen):

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Panasonic-TH42PX70/magenta-noise-statement.jpg

Panasonic developed a fix, pero sabi sa foreign forums, hindi pa rin 100% solved.  Yung iba naayos, yung iba meron pa rin pero nag-improve naman.   

Sa 10th gen (HDTV), meron pa rin daw purple snakes ang 42Px70, pero mild lang, only visible up close.

That's why I said baka mas maganda pa ang EDTV, provided that it's at least a 7th gen model. 

im more concerned sa burn-in issues ng plasma  :'(  for the 1st 100 hrs of usage! tiis lang ng konti sa cinema mode and all safety features are all set to "on" 

Na-solve na ng Panasonic ang burn-in since the 7th generation panels.  I think your unit is an 8th gen panel (indicated by the number 8 sa model number?), so I wouldn't worry.


But still, sir Titanium raises a good point:

Co forumers,

Ive been reading a lot of posts lately re LCD and Plasma Tv's. I thought burn-in  in panasonic pv70  plasmas is no longer an issue. Why are owners so conscious about it as if the burn-in issue is as hot as when first generation plasmas appeared in the market. What is really the score when it comes to burn-in ?

Sa totoo lang, meron pa ring burn-in (a permanent condition) and image retention (a temporary condition) ang mga plasma screens.  Depending on the quality of the phosphors used, some brands are better than others.

Eto ang summary ng mga opinions sa mga foreign forums: 

(a)  Panasonic plasma has been practically burn-in proof since its 7th gen. model.  No problems with burn in or IR (image retention).

(b)  Pioneer has no problems with burn in, but sometimes shows IR.

(c)  Hitachi is prone to IR.

(d)  Samsung and Sony are burn-in prone.  (Sony discontinued its plasma line)



Therefore, if you have a Panasonic that's a 7th generation or newer, e di wala nang problema.  But why do we still do the 100-hour break-in routine?

Two reasons:

1. Para sigurado lang ...  just in case  .
2. Because until now, the Panasonic website's FAQ still advises a break-in period.

[Archie]

dont know why my friend and some of the salesman were telling me to buy lcd instead,
was originally going to get the 42pv70, then i'm lost again.

[kt]

dont know why my friend and some of the salesman were telling me to buy lcd instead,
was originally going to get the 42pv70, then i'm lost again.

yan din ang pansin ko sa mga salesmen now....para kasi "IN" ang LCDs para sa kanila now kaya yun ang mabenta