Author Topic: NAD Integrated Amplifier Speaks-out (Read 173137 times)

jao143 · « **Reply #750 on:** Dec 10, 2020 at 09:40 PM »

Quote from: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2020 at 09:27 PM

uy congrats! same here RP3 with the Elys 2 cart..
anong Phono preamp gamit mo sa P3 sir?

Hi bro. No external phono preamp. I am using the built in phono ng NAD 338. Exact nga pala yung cart. Bought the P3 ng walang cart, tapos sabay painstall na ng exact cart. Malaki ba ang sonic improvement pag may separate phono preamp? Yung hindi built in sa integrated amp?

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #751 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 12:35 AM »

Quote from: jao143 on Dec 10, 2020 at 09:40 PM

Hi bro. No external phono preamp. I am using the built in phono ng NAD 338. Exact nga pala yung cart. Bought the P3 ng walang cart, tapos sabay painstall na ng exact cart. Malaki ba ang sonic improvement pag may separate phono preamp? Yung hindi built in sa integrated amp?

yup! malaki difference nila lalo na at naka Exact ka pala..try mo yung Schiit Mani angat na angat yan..brandnew kunin mong Mani para sure na bago PCB at OPamp para walang issue.

di ko type yung Phono ng C388 ko compare sa Mani, kahit nga yung Rega Phono Mini A2D mas lamang sa phono ng C388 para sa akin ah.

jao143 · « **Reply #752 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 05:41 AM »

Thanks a lot Bro. I'm quite new sa vinyl kaya nangangapa pa, hehehe

banesto · « **Reply #753 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 01:41 PM »

Quote from: shoktongxxx on Dec 11, 2020 at 12:35 AM

yup! malaki difference nila lalo na at naka Exact ka pala..try mo yung Schiit Mani angat na angat yan..brandnew kunin mong Mani para sure na bago PCB at OPamp para walang issue.
di ko type yung Phono ng C388 ko compare sa Mani, kahit nga yung Rega Phono Mini A2D mas lamang sa phono ng C388 para sa akin ah.

Tama hehehehe

alvinbaronsia · « **Reply #754 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 01:58 PM »

Hindi ba sayang lang din pag gamit ng outboard phono, kung gagawin lang din digital ng NAD? I mean for sure masmaganda tunog pero in essence, hindi na analog ang vinyl.

"These are the operations which make the NAD C388 a power DAC, in essence. Analog signals generated by analog sources (turntable, CD player) are, for their part, digitized."

from https://blog.son-video.com/en/2016/12/review-nad-c388/

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #755 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 02:56 PM »

Quote from: jao143 on Dec 11, 2020 at 05:41 AM

Thanks a lot Bro. I'm quite new sa vinyl kaya nangangapa pa, hehehe

kahit ako bago lang din, kapa kapa basa basa sa net kung pano..hehe

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #756 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 02:57 PM »

Quote from: banesto on Dec 11, 2020 at 01:41 PM

Tama hehehehe

uy! sir kamusta po?

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #757 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 03:07 PM »

Quote from: alvinbaronsia on Dec 11, 2020 at 01:58 PM

Hindi ba sayang lang din pag gamit ng outboard phono, kung gagawin lang din digital ng NAD? I mean for sure masmaganda tunog pero in essence, hindi na analog ang vinyl.

"These are the operations which make the NAD C388 a power DAC, in essence. Analog signals generated by analog sources (turntable, CD player) are, for their part, digitized."

from https://blog.son-video.com/en/2016/12/review-nad-c388/

kung gamit mo is OPTICAL/COAX IN ng CD Player papunta ng NAD, DAC ng NAD ang gagana, pero kung ANALOG IN (RCA) gagamitin mo DAC ng source (CD player, Streamer) ang mag output same with the TT po ito kasi wala namang optical/coax output ang TT . Naka depend po sa gagamitin mo kung anong INPUT yung gusto mo except sa TT kasi wala itong pang digital output..

alvinbaronsia · « **Reply #758 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 03:52 PM »

According to the review, all analog inputs are converted to digital. It has a built in ADC for the analog inputs including the phono stage.

add: NAD M10 and M33 are also like this btw.

Arulco · « **Reply #759 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 04:02 PM »

Parang yung KEF LS50 wireless, yung analog inputs niya ay digitized. Buti na lang sobrang trasparent ng High-Resolution ADC converter niya kaya tunog analog pa rin yung turntable ko.

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #760 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 06:26 PM »

Quote from: alvinbaronsia on Dec 11, 2020 at 03:52 PM

According to the review, all analog inputs are converted to digital. It has a built in ADC for the analog inputs including the phono stage.

add: NAD M10 and M33 are also like this btw.

nabasa ko nga yan, pero base sa CXN V2 ko mas gusto ko SQ ng RCA para magamit ang DAC ng CXN at di DAC ng NAD.

alvinbaronsia · « **Reply #761 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 06:37 PM »

Quote from: shoktongxxx on Dec 11, 2020 at 06:26 PM

nabasa ko nga yan, pero base sa CXN V2 ko mas gusto ko SQ ng RCA para magamit ang DAC ng CXN at di DAC ng NAD.

No contention on what you like.
I'm just saying that lahat po ng analog ginagawang digital ni nad and then thru dac ni nad. So sa case ng cxn mo, ung output ng Wolfson gagwin ding digital ni nad and then converted back to analog sa output stage using nad dac.this didn't mean you shouldn't get a better sounding dac. I just find it ironic for vinyl. But if course, ang pinaka Importante ay kung ano ung gusto mong tunog.

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #762 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 06:42 PM »

Quote from: alvinbaronsia on Dec 11, 2020 at 06:37 PM

No contention on what you like.
I'm just saying that lahat po ng analog ginagawang digital ni nad and then thru dac ni nad. So sa case ng cxn mo, ung output ng Wolfson gagwin ding digital ni nad and then converted back to analog sa output stage using nad dac.this didn't mean you shouldn't get a better sounding dac. I just find it ironic for vinyl. But if course, ang pinaka Importante ay kung ano ung gusto mong tunog.

so sa sinasabi mo base sa reviewer na kahit OPTICAL or RCA gamitin DAC parin ng NAD ang gagana?

alvinbaronsia · « **Reply #763 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 08:15 PM »

Parang ganito po:
Rega P3 -> phono in -> NAD Analog to Digital Converter (ADC) -> NAD DAC -> speakers
Streamer digital -> NAD DAC -> speakers
Streamer digital -> External DAC -> analog in -> NAD ADC -> NAD DAC -> speakers

iba pa rin tunog ng cxn kung gamitin mo ung analog out niya, pero i-convert pa rin to digital ni NAD, and then dadaan sa DAC niya.

Based naman sa research ni NAD, ginawa niyang digital lahat dahil mas distortion free and less imbalance kung digital ang volume control vs analog potentiometers etc kaya niya ginawa yan.

shoktongxxx · « **Reply #764 on:** Dec 11, 2020 at 08:55 PM »

Quote from: alvinbaronsia on Dec 11, 2020 at 08:15 PM

Parang ganito po:
Rega P3 -> phono in -> NAD Analog to Digital Converter (ADC) -> NAD DAC -> speakers
Streamer digital -> NAD DAC -> speakers
Streamer digital -> External DAC -> analog in -> NAD ADC -> NAD DAC -> speakers

iba pa rin tunog ng cxn kung gamitin mo ung analog out niya, pero i-convert pa rin to digital ni NAD, and then dadaan sa DAC niya.

Based naman sa research ni NAD, ginawa niyang digital lahat dahil mas distortion free and less imbalance kung digital ang volume control vs analog potentiometers etc kaya niya ginawa yan.

hmmm, interesting yan ah.
for me iba po sa actual eh, mag iba SQ pag sa ANALOG mo pinadaan compare sa DIGITAL po.

for Phono naman di ko ginamit kasi may separate akong phono preamp kaya sa RCA(Analog) sya nakakabit.

Weng! · « **Reply #765 on:** Mar 09, 2021 at 10:25 AM »

Hello NAD gurus,

Is it worth getting a working vintage 3020 series 20 nowadays? There are few available units in the UK where a relative can purchase it for me. The price is about the same as a used 325bee on FB marketplace locally. Plan to build a starter analog setup slowly.

Another vintage amp I am also considering is an Audiolab 8000A.

Weng! · « **Reply #766 on:** Mar 14, 2021 at 05:46 PM »

Just copped a 3020A from eBay UK this morning. Not a bad price for a spotless unit. Still waiting for an Audiolab 8000A to close the bid later tonight and hopefully I can get it after so many times being outbidded in the past days. Hopefully to see them both amps in 2 months time

tony · « **Reply #767 on:** Mar 14, 2021 at 06:03 PM »

the NAD3020 is a classic amp in a class all by itself....maybe the reason is that it belonged to the CFA types, current feedback amp which is faster than the VFA types....ang NAD 3020 ay parang de tubo.....

i can not say the same about the other NAD amps...

Weng! · « **Reply #768 on:** Mar 14, 2021 at 07:09 PM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 14, 2021 at 06:03 PM

the NAD3020 is a classic amp in a class all by itself....maybe the reason is that it belonged to the CFA types, current feedback amp which is faster than the VFA types....ang NAD 3020 ay parang de tubo.....

i can not say the same about the other NAD amps...

Been reading about it when i was searching for a used amp abroad. Nagkataon may few units sa ebay UK at naka tyempo nanalo after a few tries. Good thing to know that you know this amp very well at may amp doctor na maka rescue in case of emergency

Weng! · « **Reply #769 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 12:09 PM »

My NAD 3020A, sounds way better than my Denon 2308 and Onkyo 818 receivers in stereo. It's even louder at 20 wpc only

Narayan · « **Reply #770 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 02:25 PM »

Quote from: Weng! on Jun 11, 2021 at 12:09 PM

My NAD 3020A, sounds way better than my Denon 2308 and Onkyo 818 receivers in stereo. It's even louder at 20 wpc only

Congrats on owning a piece of audio history bro.! How does it compare to the Audiolab?

Weng! · « **Reply #771 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 03:00 PM »

Quote from: Narayan on Jun 11, 2021 at 02:25 PM

Congrats on owning a piece of audio history bro.! How does it compare to the Audiolab?

Thanks bro, totoo talaga ang mga reviews sa interweb.

The NAD sounds full bodied based on my untrained ears. It's as loud as the 60w Audiolab using a Rega P1 and Raspberry Pi4 audio streamer as sources. The Audiolab seems neutral, kung anong ibato mo yon din ang lalabas. But I'm no audiophile, so take my comment with a grain of salt

at_sunset_blvd · « **Reply #772 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 04:28 PM »

Quote from: Weng! on Jun 11, 2021 at 12:09 PM

Boy love that 8000a!

Weng! · « **Reply #773 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 06:26 PM »

Here's a sample music clip of the 3020A paired with a cheap $90 klipsch playing FLAC on RPi4 streamer.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/313936222282621/permalink/1557384457937785/

tony · « **Reply #774 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 07:07 PM »

Quote from: Weng! on Mar 09, 2021 at 10:25 AM

Hello NAD gurus,

Is it worth getting a working vintage 3020 series 20 nowadays? There are few available units in the UK where a relative can purchase it for me. The price is about the same as a used 325bee on FB marketplace locally. Plan to build a starter analog setup slowly.

Another vintage amp I am also considering is an Audiolab 8000A.

the NAD 3020 is a classic, dyan nakilala ang NAD...

i also have that audiolab amp, one channel is weak, i have not gotten to repair, unit came from my brother in Singapore, first owner..

Weng! · « **Reply #775 on:** Jun 11, 2021 at 08:25 PM »

Quote from: tony on Jun 11, 2021 at 07:07 PM

the NAD 3020 is a classic, dyan nakilala ang NAD...

i also have that audiolab amp, one channel is weak, i have not gotten to repair, unit came from my brother in Singapore, first owner..

Same pala tayo ng amp sir Tony. Both are performing great without a potentiometer crackle.

tony · « **Reply #776 on:** Jun 12, 2021 at 09:29 AM »

i suspect mine has a leaky coupling cap in the audio signal chain....busy sa tubes kaya hindi maharap....

stevesonk · « **Reply #777 on:** Jun 12, 2021 at 02:17 PM »

Quote from: tony on Jun 12, 2021 at 09:29 AM

i suspect mine has a leaky coupling cap in the audio signal chain....busy sa tubes kaya hindi maharap....

wow may bagong tube amp.. naks..

(nagra ba yan sir tony?)

audiomaster · « **Reply #778 on:** Sep 17, 2022 at 03:10 PM »

Hi! Can you recommend a technician for NAD in Quezon City area? Would appreciate very much your help. Tnx!

synchro_01 · « **Reply #779 on:** Sep 17, 2022 at 03:21 PM »

Quote from: audiomaster on Sep 17, 2022 at 03:10 PM

Hi! Can you recommend a technician for NAD in Quezon City area? Would appreciate very much your help. Tnx!

Not an exclusive NAD tech but I have nothing but positive words to say for the work this guy has done for me in the past. I'm 100% positive kaya nya yan. he was able to fix my old Rotel amp to OE working spec. Caloocan area lang sya.

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