Topic: Do you believe that expensive cables really work ?

[Stephen Y]

Who cares whether I believe they work or not? jh@meeh is right.. at the end of the day people cannot judge your hearing! Audio is just so subjective...

Buying expensive cables really is just for making yourself feel good and that will make you sleep better at night.. coz if you own a 100k pair of speakers & a 150k amp.. why would you connect a 16awg @ Php30 per foot wires? Kahit pa sa pandinig mo pareho lang tunog sa kimber kable 8TC!

[alvinbaronsia]

Who cares whether I believe they work or not? jh@meeh is right.. at the end of the day people cannot judge your hearing! Audio is just so subjective...

Buying expensive cables really is just for making yourself feel good and that will make you sleep better at night.. coz if you own a 100k pair of speakers & a 150k amp.. why would you connect a 16awg @ Php30 per foot wires? Kahit pa sa pandinig mo pareho lang tunog sa kimber kable 8TC!

The Reference 1 are 360k speakers. Why? because the owner wants to spend more on his car collection. For me, could've bought and tried a Polk Legend or Goldenear BRX and scratch those off my curiousity. But don't worry, he's not using the Monoprice anymore, I gave him my Zu Audio Libtecs so masmaganda na hitsura.

[banesto]

Who cares whether I believe they work or not? jh@meeh is right.. at the end of the day people cannot judge your hearing! Audio is just so subjective...

Buying expensive cables really is just for making yourself feel good and that will make you sleep better at night.. coz if you own a 100k pair of speakers & a 150k amp.. why would you connect a 16awg @ Php30 per foot wires? Kahit pa sa pandinig mo pareho lang tunog sa kimber kable 8TC!

Tama ka rin dyan sa parteng iyan bro. Bakit ka bibili ng cable na Php30 per foot kung ang halaga ng amp ay 150k.

[Own7]

Who cares whether I believe they work or not? jh@meeh is right.. at the end of the day people cannot judge your hearing! Audio is just so subjective...

Buying expensive cables really is just for making yourself feel good and that will make you sleep better at night.. coz if you own a 100k pair of speakers & a 150k amp.. why would you connect a 16awg @ Php30 per foot wires? Kahit pa sa pandinig mo pareho lang tunog sa kimber kable 8TC!

Actually i buy expensive cables not to sleep better, i buy expensive speaker cables
To bring out the full potential of my system.

A kef reference 1 does not deserve a kimber 8tc, he will not get the full potential
Of that speakers. It needs better.

[synchro_01]

Tama ka rin dyan sa parteng iyan bro. Bakit ka bibili ng cable na Php30 per foot kung ang halaga ng amp ay 150k.

Correct. Para kang naka Ferrari tapos nagkabit sa Blumentritt ng Sailun na gulong.  Yes it will work...gugulong din naman yun. Cheaper than the 50K per tire of a stock Ferrari but does it make sense to you as a Ferrari owner?

[Own7]

For me it was the other wary around, I've spent more than 100k in different cables, and I could swear they were all different. Then a friend challenged me to a blind test. We used his system, and I failed. I couldn't consistently tell the difference between my Kimber 8TC and a monoprice 12AWG. For interconnects, it was the same thing, I had pure silver DIY inteconnects and wasn't any different from monoprice RCAs. For power cables, we used Zu Audio Event vs generic. The system used was CXN -> Chord Hugo 2 -> Hegel H190 -> KEF Ref 1. It is a treated room that was done by Nelson. I did another A-B comparison with my system and even if it wasn't blind anymore, I couldn't tell anymore... like I woke up from the Matrix and couldn't get back LOL.

I don't regret spending that much as I do consider it part of the hobby and I do think I it is an itch that you need to scratch. I've tried and I've made my peace with it. But I would recommend to those who want to try, is to buy the best speakers you can, have your room treated by Nelson, then the best amp you can, then DAC. then springs/couplers/decouplers, then when you have your perfect system, spend what you have left with cables. and hope your system will reveal the sound of cables.

Bro dalin ko cables ko try ulit natin, kimber 8tc will not bring justice to those
Expensive equipments, dala ako cables, pag di mo marinig difference ihataw
Mo sa likod ko.😀

[alvinbaronsia]

LOL. Sure, but after Covid na lang. Friend is paranoid with the virus.

[Stephen Y]

Now THIS is the fun part of our hobby.. the camaraderie that develops within a community of audiophiles.. the sharing of knowledge & gears/cables that Placebo effect or not.. fosters friendship

[at_sunset_blvd]

who started this thread? I cant sleep anymore!

[CMac]

Speaker Cables Really Don't Make Much of a Difference? - Audioholics Publishing

[Arulco]

who started this thread? I cant sleep anymore!

Haha this topic never fails to trigger audiophiles and objectivists.

Now to tweak my system with them shakti stones, cable lifters and ground boxes. hehe

[synchro_01]

Haha this topic never fails to trigger audiophiles and objectivists.

Now to tweak my system with them shakti stones, cable lifters and ground boxes. hehe

Yes. This never fails to escalate emotions.  Same thing for Analog vs. Digital, Tube and S/S etc.

[Nelson de Leon]

Bro dalin ko cables ko try ulit natin, kimber 8tc will not bring justice to those
Expensive equipments, dala ako cables, pag di mo marinig difference ihataw
Mo sa likod ko.😀

Next year na lang ulit. Sa holy week. Tapos lagyan natin ng blade sa dulo yun wire. 

[Own7]

Next year na lang ulit. Sa holy week. Tapos lagyan natin ng blade sa dulo yun wire. 

He he he. Talagang ihahataw mo sa likod ko ha! Nakakahiya na sa parte ko
Pag wala kayong narinig na pag babago sugatan pa. 😓

[Own7]

Yes. This never fails to escalate emotions.  Same thing for Analog vs. Digital, Tube and S/S etc.

 Pare isa ka sa dapat sisihin eh.

Do you remember nung binili ko sa iyo yung van den hul wire? A i was using
Plain wires noon, the positive effect of that cable was an eye opener for me.
I was able to tame the highs as well as improve the soundstage width and depht.

Now, after many upgrades later, naipamana ko sa pinsan ko yun, positive
Effect din sa kanya from his bare monster cables.

[synchro_01]

Pare isa ka sa dapat sisihin eh.

Do you remember nung binili ko sa iyo yung van den hul wire? A i was using
Plain wires noon, the positive effect of that cable was an eye opener for me.
I was able to tame the highs as well as improve the soundstage width and depht.

Now, after many upgrades later, naipamana ko sa pinsan ko yun, positive
Effect din sa kanya from his bare monster cables.

  Yes I remember those cables.  Hallmark ng VDH yan...in my system it tamed the somewhat aggressive top end as well plus expanded the midband.  Good to know that it still brings positive results in different set ups.  Those cables used to connect two Classe S1000's (yes 1KW each RMS) to big B&W's, Dynaudio and other speakers we used to have. Later on it was the cable I used for my Threshold amp and my Contours. 

Sayang pandemic ngayon. may isasali din sana ako sa shootout na cables na matagal na nasa cabinet.

[stevesonk]

Next year na lang ulit. Sa holy week. Tapos lagyan natin ng blade sa dulo yun wire. 

sagot ko alcohol..!! 

[banesto]

sagot ko alcohol..!! 

Bwahahahaha.... Ayos na ayos yan

[synchro_01]

sagot ko alcohol..!! 

Ang katapat nyan is BBQ and steak dinner.  Mga isang oras na inom lang yan may mga naririnig na tayo na kakaiba sa audio system kahit naka pause hahahaha

[banesto]

Ang katapat nyan is BBQ and steak dinner.  Mga isang oras na inom lang yan may mga naririnig na tayo na kakaiba sa audio system kahit naka pause hahahaha

Hahahahahahha Totoo yan. Pag nakakainom ako lalo na pag masarap ang pulutan kakaiba talaga ang nadidinig kong tunog.

[synchro_01]

Hahahahahahha Totoo yan. Pag nakakainom ako lalo na pag masarap ang pulutan kakaiba talaga ang nadidinig kong tunog.

Same here. Yung Audience 52 ko nagiging Wilson Audio pag naka 3 bote ng beer na ako LOL

Anyways back to topic tayo sa cables.

[at_sunset_blvd]

Same here. Yung Audience 52 ko nagiging Wilson Audio pag naka 3 bote ng beer na ako LOL

Anyways back to topic tayo sa cables.

This is a nice antidote, it's been a while I drank, balikan ko din baka yung SHL5 ko maging 40.2 na din   

[synchro_01]

This is a nice antidote, it's been a while I drank, balikan ko din baka yung SHL5 ko maging 40.2 na din   

Epekto ng alcohol yan. Instant upgrade.  Yung Jeepney driver nga eh pag nakainom akala nya Ferrari dala nya eh hahahaha

Cables na pag usapan natin. Hopefully matuloy yung blind listening test. Eye opener nga kaya or I told you so moment? abangan natin yan.

[Own7]

sagot ko alcohol..!! 

He meant rubbing alcohol mga bro. Mawawalan kayo pandinig pag nag kataon😀

[jh@meeh]

yang blind listening test baka mauwi lang sa community alcohol pantry...😆

[stevesonk]

so bago pumasok sa listening room.. tatanungin muna..
Q : Do you believe that expensive cables really works..?
A : No..
 (Shot..!!)
Q : Do you believe..?
A : No.
 (Shot..!!)
Q : Now, do you believe..?
A : well Of course..!! it really works.!!
 

[at_sunset_blvd]

pag 3rd shot yung Monster Cable hindi lang nag improve yung imaging parang ganito na din yung laki 

[raptor]

Same here. Yung Audience 52 ko nagiging Wilson Audio pag naka 3 bote ng beer na ako LOL

Anyways back to topic tayo sa cables.

I agree that wine and beer improves the audio quality ... pero mas matindi maka-improve ng audio quality yung may nagsasayaw sa stage then biglang mag-i-split, walang sinabi expensive cable ... pauwi ka na naaalala mo pa yung music  ... LOL   

[lithium_deuteride]

Cables make a difference in sound in my experience, to the point that they can make or break your setup.  Cables can either throttle or unlock the SQ of your system.

You can be perfectly happy with the sound of your system, not knowing that the SQ is being held back severely by a certain cable. And you can't know that until you try a different cable in your system.  When you do, there will certainly be a change in sound but whether that change is for the better, for the worse, or sideways depends on the individual listener.  If it's for the better, then it's up to the system owner to decide if the price delta is worth paying.

If you hear no difference when you change a cable, most likely your gear just isn't resolving enough.  Then you're better off spending on better gear than on more expensive cables.     

[oweidah]

id say different sound lang.