Author Topic: Bluray VS DVD (Read 20632 times)

Moks007 · « **Reply #60 on:** Jan 10, 2009 at 06:16 PM »

Quote from: jerix on Jan 09, 2009 at 07:18 AM

I agree.. just like this one

hehe.. some others that look great imo are dark knight, ironman, kung fu panda and hellboy 2

..shhh..

..thats my secret

. However I already have the blu version (of course nothing beats this) of kung fu panda and dark knight. Waiting for ironman to come down in price. I will pass on hellboy 2

anya618 · « **Reply #61 on:** Jan 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM »

how come there are some titles wherein the blu ray version is cheaper than the dvd version?

oReOsHaKe · « **Reply #62 on:** Jan 13, 2009 at 08:33 AM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM

how come there are some titles wherein the blu ray version is cheaper than the dvd version?

probably they are currently on sale.. i noticed this also at Amazon..

iiinas · « **Reply #63 on:** Jan 13, 2009 at 10:47 AM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:45 PM

how come there are some titles wherein the blu ray version is cheaper than the dvd version?

imho, they are just trying the spur sales of bluray, since adoption of bluray is still low. by enticing them with cheap bluray discs, they may find some people willing to make the shift, including these people buying new players as well. for existing owners. also a chance for them to grow their bd collection.

barrister · « **Reply #64 on:** Jan 21, 2009 at 06:32 PM »

Blu-ray News!

Sony opens China's first Blu-ray factory
Set to meet perceived demand growth among rich Chinese
By Jonathan Landreth
Jan 20, 2009, 05:44 AM ET

BANGKOK -- As U.S. consumer spending falters, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment is looking to China, where on Tuesday it unveiled the country's first Blu-ray Disc factory with partner the Shanghai Media Group.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/technology/news/e3i8a272e828df3eab10adc5115a3893e3e

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Viewpoints:

9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed
Posted by David Carnoy
January 14, 2009 2:29 PM PST

I've been seeing a lot of articles lately about Blu-ray's fuzzy future, how it's doomed, and how its success will be short-lived even if it does take off. Well, that may well end up being the case, but I gotta say, from where I'm sitting, there's a far greater probability that Blu-ray will do just fine--for a long time. And I'm not saying that because I'm a fanboy or a shill for Sony. I'm saying it because a lot of simple market factors point toward it doing just fine. Here are nine reasons why I'm right.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10142913-82.html

... and the rebuttal:

Nine (questionable) reasons why Blu-ray will succeed
by Devin Coldewey on January 20, 2009

There’s a lengthy article over here written by a well-meaning but perhaps slightly self-deluding Sony apologist, detailing nine reasons why Blu-ray will succeed. It’s worth checking out, but it’s pretty clearly the view from one side. So take a look and then come back and see if you agree with our tempering of that laudable but unwarranted optimism.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/20/nine-questionable-reasons-why-blu-ray-will-succeed/

barrister · « **Reply #65 on:** Feb 20, 2009 at 12:05 PM »

Time Magazine's Richard Corliss, co-author of the 100 Greatest movies list, looks at Blu-ray vs DVD from the non-techie point of view:

Blu Sensation
By RICHARD CORLISS
Thursday, Feb. 19, 2009

... Consumers want to know if they have to buy a Blu-ray or whether it's just an incremental improvement that will soon be rendered obsolete when high-quality movie downloads from the Internet become available.

We wondered too. So we bought a Blu-ray player and watched a couple of dozen current and classic movies on it. Here are some first thoughts from a veteran movie critic (who, trust us, is in no way a techno-whiz). ...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1880652,00.html

Moks007 · « **Reply #66 on:** Feb 20, 2009 at 04:35 PM »

Recently, I've been loving blu-ray (hidef) more and more. I would strongly recommend it na if one really loves watching/collecting movies

..It's more worth it overall vs. dvds imo on some of your favorites that you want to collect. More catalogs are coming out now and prices are getting cheaper and cheaper (14.99 or lower etc.). I totally stopped buying dvd's na except for tv series and region 1 catalogs nalang, especially when the catalogs go on sale at amazon for 10 bucks or lower, not worth upgrading to blu or coming out on blu.

For new releases in blu, I don't buy them (I buy/watch them muna from _____(not allowed dito).), then if I like it I will get it in blu..I usually wait till they get to the 18 to 22 price range, which sometimes just take a month or two. Madagascar 2 is an example, its now 19.99. Sadly, I think a lot got burned buying it at 23 to 26 bucks when it came out, bec. amazon don't give the price guarantee anymore. So patience is a virtue.

There is nothing that will beat dvd prices (199 pesos or below, 5 dollar bins), but I think spending the extra bucks on your "favorites, that you will watch over and over again" is well worth it in blu.

darth mond · « **Reply #67 on:** Feb 20, 2009 at 09:56 PM »

Am finally convinced. Seeing that DVD and Blu Ray prices are almost equal in Amazon. Will be upgrading to Blu Ray. Entry Level muna. maybe a series 3 or 4 32" Samsung and a BD 1500 or a Sony BDP S-350 (suggestions?). medyo nacoconvince na si wife e.tapos nun HT set up naman...

gerardhamada · « **Reply #68 on:** Feb 21, 2009 at 04:17 AM »

I really appreciate Hidef movies when it comes to trees, hair and water they truly show detail even cloth texture.

Moks007 · « **Reply #69 on:** Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM »

Quote from: darth mond on Feb 20, 2009 at 09:56 PM

Am finally convinced. Seeing that DVD and Blu Ray prices are almost equal in Amazon. Will be upgrading to Blu Ray. Entry Level muna. maybe a series 3 or 4 32" Samsung and a BD 1500 or a Sony BDP S-350 (suggestions?). medyo nacoconvince na si wife e.tapos nun HT set up naman...

I think all the players are pretty good, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic.. I have the sony s350. Actually I chose this bec its sony

. Sony=Blu-ray hehe

.. Meaning, I think their updates would be better/faster or more up to date. My basis is the history of updates for the ps3. I think this player never had any problems playing any movies. The others are also great, so maybe check nalang with the "user experience/player" threads. If you are really decided to buy, there are some deals now in Amazon. Actually you can buy the discs first.

Some good ones now in amazon imo are Amadeus, One flew over the cukoos nest, Cool hand luke all at around 15 bucks, Transformers, Ironman, Tropic Thunder, Indy 4 all at 18.99..Depende na what type of movie you prefer I guess. Sa akin 12 to 18 bucks for blu-ray is great price na. Anything higher than 20 bucks, I'm really selective, or mga "can't wait" na itch, then I buy them.

Blu-ray goes well with dvd, puede naman not all movies in blu. There are some movies in dvd that looks great na. Depende I guess if you want little more detail on some or lots of details on others. Soundwise, imo is harder to tell. I just want a good enough receiver and great speakers. I think it will already sound great. Some may swear by the big difference in audio, some may not. It all comes down to your own ears, Is it golden or not?

..Happy hunting

pchin · « **Reply #70 on:** Feb 21, 2009 at 06:19 PM »

Great advice from bro Raymond

Quote from: Moks007 on Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM

there are some deals now in Amazon. Actually you can buy the discs first.

That was what I did previously...couldn't resist the offer!

darth mond · « **Reply #71 on:** Feb 21, 2009 at 11:01 PM »

Thank you sir for the advice. Actually am planning to order The Dark Knight and Transformers next month. After I get these. I'll surely be excityed and get a player and a tv ASAP.

barrister · « **Reply #72 on:** Feb 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM »

A positive development for BD:

Sony, Philips, Panasonic to create single Blu-ray license
by Erica Ogg
February 25, 2009 12:09 PM PST

Companies that wish to make Blu-ray devices will very soon have a less expensive and simpler licensing process, according to a joint announcement Wednesday from Sony, Philips, and Panasonic.

A new license will be established by mid-2009 as a "one-stop shop" for device makers.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10172042-1.html

barrister · « **Reply #73 on:** Mar 27, 2009 at 05:57 PM »

Why DVD's Better Than Blu-ray
We weigh the pros and cons and render our verdict.
by IGN DVD

March 18, 2009 - Blu-ray may have won the format war, but with HD DVD now soundly dispatched, an old foe refuses to retreat. Standard-def DVD still has plenty of fight left in it. In fact, there are plenty of ways in which the SD format is -- dare we say -- a better choice than Blu-ray.

Heresy, you say? Listen... We aren't trying to assert that DVD has better picture quality than Blu-ray -- that would be absurd. And of course there are cool features, like BD-Live, that seemingly give Blu-ray the edge. But when you really take an examined look at the big picture, Blu-ray isn't for everybody.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/963/963916p1.html

Why Blu-ray's Better Than DVD
New format trumps its predecessor, plain and simple.
by IGN Blu-ray

March 25, 2009 - Having soundly defeated HD DVD, Blu-ray now reigns supreme atop the home video format hierarchy. But in spite of that convincing victory, BD technology has yet to be fully embraced by consumers. Like that nagging fly that you just can't seem to swat, standard-def DVD is still buzzing around.

Last week, we made a pretty convincing case as to why DVD could be viewed as "better" than Blu-ray. To the delight of those of you who ripped us a new one after reading that article (we love a good controversy), this counter-argument will attempt to prove the opposing view: Why Blu-ray is better than DVD.

http://bluray.ign.com/articles/966/966082p1.html

Ctlim · « **Reply #74 on:** Mar 27, 2009 at 09:31 PM »

PRICE DROP!!! hehehehe

CARLITOCOOL · « **Reply #75 on:** Jul 14, 2009 at 10:35 PM »

I just started seriously collecting DVDs in 2006 and now I'm just starting with Blu-Ray. After watching Blu-ray, I don't think I'll ever buy DVDs again. I'm surprised with the difference in PQ. DVD movies looked like mpeg/VCD compared with Blu-Ray.

I just got a Panasonic 42lz80 and I can now watch my blu-ray movies in full 1080p HD glory!

I won't sell my precious DVD collection though because I can still watch them in either my Phillips 32" HD Ready LCD or my Panasonic 42pv8 HD Ready Plasma. It still looks decent.

Blu-Ray vs DVD? PQ of blu-ray is many times better. In fact it's 2.25x better (1080 / 480 = 2.25

)

Aren't we all after PQ in the first place?

mercury724 · « **Reply #76 on:** Sep 09, 2009 at 01:38 PM »

watching in hi-def is really a wow, watching sd-dvd is not bad either but compared to high def is quite a big leap from picture & audio quality.

joey escalera · « **Reply #77 on:** Sep 09, 2009 at 05:07 PM »

mura n lang mga dvd's ngaun pero matumal pa din ang benta...blu ray n nga kasi ang bida...

DVD_Freak · « **Reply #78 on:** Sep 09, 2009 at 05:25 PM »

Mura ba? Di ba nagmamahal na nga?

joey escalera · « **Reply #79 on:** Sep 09, 2009 at 05:33 PM »

mura n lang...may 100-125 na lang

...hinihintay ko nga maging 50-75 isa ng makabili ng marami..hehe..parang sa quiapo..

buy one take one 450 din meron..eto yun dating 175 isa...ewan ko ba sa mga yun...nun 175 nga isa wala na masyado bumili ginawa pang 450 dalawa...parang mga tanga...

DVD_Freak · « **Reply #80 on:** Sep 09, 2009 at 05:40 PM »

Quote from: joey escalera on Sep 09, 2009 at 05:33 PM

mura n lang...may 100-125 na lang ...hinihintay ko nga maging 50-75 isa ng makabili ng marami..hehe..parang sa quiapo..
buy one take one 450 din meron..eto yun dating 175 isa...ewan ko ba sa mga yun...nun 175 nga isa wala na masyado bumili ginawa pang 450 dalawa...parang mga tanga...

Ah ok. ito yun mga lumang releases na. I was thinking pag bagong labas. Yun pinakamura na nga 750 pag new releases. Dati 550 lang ang Viva. Pag Warner nga new release 425 lang. Ngayon Warner new releases 750 na yata.

barrister · « **Reply #81 on:** Feb 04, 2010 at 10:53 PM »

I'm thinking about getting my first Blu-ray player, so I'm presently doing some research.

The resume function is standard on most DVD players, but I just found out that Blu-ray players don't always resume playback at the point where it was last stopped.

How does the resume function work on Blu-ray players? Is there any Blu-ray player that can resume a BD-Java disc after shutdown/power-off?

This issue is baffling. How hard can it be to implement such a simple function?

pchin · « **Reply #82 on:** Feb 04, 2010 at 11:04 PM »

Hi barrister, related to your question base on a PS3:

Quote from: pchin on Dec 20, 2009 at 10:53 PM

In my case (fat PS3), yes it supports the "resume" function for Blu but not all movies are the same. It depends on individual movie if the "resume" is authored in the disc.

Example of movies that can resume:
King Fu Hustle (SONY)
Fantastic Four & Ice Age 2 (Fox)
*UP (Disney)

These movies will resume to your last played position. You may also remove the disc from the PS3 player & insert it back at a later time & day.
*For the UP, you will have to access the main menu to resume the movie at the last stop.

Example of movies that can't resume:
Transformers:RTF & GI Joe (Paramount)
Hulk, Hellboy 2, Jet Li's Fearless (Universal)
Open Season 2, Pirates Caribbean 2 (SONY)

Watching the Transformers: RTF is quite annoying & frustrating. Since the movie is almost 3 hours, hence I stopped it a few times (to attend work, house chores, etc) & unable to continue from my last played position. Each time I start the movie it will go back to the main menu.

It seems both Paramount & Universal don't support such function in their discs.

TOP 20 · « **Reply #83 on:** Feb 04, 2010 at 11:44 PM »

There's no denying bluray is better than dvd. I bought a used BD player from a fellow pdvd member last December. Decided to test the unit at my grandma's place (they have a Sony Bravia LCD & I still use my trusty Samsung CRT) & brought my Fight Club R3 & BD for comparison. My cousins who watched with me were amazed with the visual & sonic clarity of bluray. They are by no means experts & watch primarily DIVXs.

I only have a few BD titles but I know it will grow steadily as time passes by. At this juncture though, I won't dispose my small dvd collection (yet). These 2 formats will coexist until prices of locally available blurays become more affordable.

barrister · « **Reply #84 on:** Feb 05, 2010 at 07:44 AM »

Quote from: pchin on Feb 04, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Hi barrister, related to your question base on a PS3:

Thanks for the info!

Quote from: pchin on Feb 04, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Example of movies that can't resume:
Transformers:RTF & GI Joe (Paramount)
Hulk, Hellboy 2, Jet Li's Fearless (Universal)
Open Season 2, Pirates Caribbean 2 (SONY)

Are those discs Java-enabled? According to my google searches, it's the Java authoring that causes it.

HD Advisor says:

I agree that this is a major shortcoming of BD-Java, and I'm flabbergasted that none of the Blu-ray format developers ever gave this issue serious consideration. In some respects, Blu-ray has taken a step back from the convenience and ease of use that viewers have grown accustomed to with DVD. Sadly, there is no solution to this problem at present. Perhaps in the future, some hardware manufacturer will find a way to activate the Resume Play option on Java discs with a firmware update, but it's just not possible right now. The feature is only active with discs that are not Java-enabled.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HD_Advisor/Joshua_Zyber/The_Whole_Nine_HD_Advisors/2643

pchin · « **Reply #85 on:** Feb 05, 2010 at 11:19 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Feb 05, 2010 at 07:44 AM

Are those discs Java-enabled? According to my google searches, it's the Java authoring that causes it.

HD Advisor says:

I agree that this is a major shortcoming of BD-Java, and I'm flabbergasted that none of the Blu-ray format developers ever gave this issue serious consideration. In some respects, Blu-ray has taken a step back from the convenience and ease of use that viewers have grown accustomed to with DVD. Sadly, there is no solution to this problem at present. Perhaps in the future, some hardware manufacturer will find a way to activate the Resume Play option on Java discs with a firmware update, but it's just not possible right now. The feature is only active with discs that are not Java-enabled.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HD_Advisor/Joshua_Zyber/The_Whole_Nine_HD_Advisors/2643

Since most of them have BD Live (all BD-Live discs are authored with BD-Java) hence they don't have the resume function. However, it's hard to say for sure whether those discs are Java-enabled esp those without BD Live, e.g. Transformers:RTF & GI Joe (Paramount) have no BD LIve & also no U-control/PIP.

So far I found the best in those latest Disney Pixar (e.g. UP & Monster Inc) which have BD Live but integrate the "resume" function into the menu hence there's no problem for resume playback from your last position even after you ejected the disc or off the player.

It's strange as per HD Advisor: "All of Fox Home Entertainment's James Bond Blu-rays are programmed with BD-Java, even though none have BD-Live content" but those that I tried like Fantastic Four & Ice Age 2 they all have the "resume" function. So this mean even the same studio can author its disc differently.

The next best solution is to take note of the time frame or particular scene of the movie before hitting the stop button which is inconvenient esp you have accustomed to the DVD playback.

barrister · « **Reply #86 on:** Feb 06, 2010 at 09:03 AM »

Quote from: pchin on Feb 05, 2010 at 11:19 PM

The next best solution is to take note of the time frame or particular scene of the movie before hitting the stop button which is inconvenient esp you have accustomed to the DVD playback.

Does that mean that the disc will reload, then you will have to endure the logos, trailers, etc. again before you can enter the time where you want to resume?

Imagine what a user has to go though if he intends to press "pause" on the remote but accidentally presses "stop". That's not an inconvenience, that's an annoyance ...

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I was all set to buy a Panny BD60 this week, but I guess BD is still not ready for prime time. I'll just wait until BD irons out all the kinks, if ever.

I also thought of getting the Panny BD60 player anyway, for mostly DVD use. After all, it's only 15K for a region free unit at SnS.

But I changed my mind after my google search results said that DVD playback on the BD60 does not have the seamless layer change feature.

How stone-age is that? Seamless layer change on DVD players shouldn't be such a big deal to enable. It's an old feature, and I've been authoring dual layer DVD+Rs with seamless layer changes since 2008 via ImgBurn.

I guess BD players are not for me. The features I don't want, they add; the features I need, they remove.

pchin · « **Reply #87 on:** Feb 06, 2010 at 07:31 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Feb 06, 2010 at 09:03 AM

Does that mean that the disc will reload, then you will have to endure the logos, trailers, etc. again before you can enter the time where you want to resume? Imagine what a user has to go though if he intends to press "pause" on the remote but accidentally presses "stop". That's not an inconvenience, that's an annoyance ...

Yup, whether the resume function is there or not, most discs comes with all those trailers in the beginning...there is no escape except for some titles.

Depending on one's patience....yes to some it's really frustrating/annoying to start the movie all over again after each time the stop is pressed. For me, after inserting the disc, I'll make a cup of drink, get some snacks, etc. By the time I return it's ready to play na. Let's not that small "bit" of a few minutes to hinder our enjoyament for the whole movie in HD.

Quote from: barrister on Feb 06, 2010 at 09:03 AM

I was all set to buy a Panny BD60 this week, but I guess BD is still not ready for prime time. I'll just wait until BD irons out all the kinks, if ever.

I also thought of getting the Panny BD60 player anyway, for mostly DVD use. After all, it's only 15K for a region free unit at SnS.

But I changed my mind after my google search results said that DVD playback on the BD60 does not have the seamless layer change feature.

How stone-age is that? Seamless layer change on DVD players shouldn't be such a big deal to enable. It's an old feature, and I've been authoring dual layer DVD+Rs with seamless layer changes since 2008 via ImgBurn.

I guess BD players are not for me. The features I don't want, they add; the features I need, they remove.

Regarding the BD60, will the latest firmware update resolve the seamless layer change feature? If not than perhaps it's better to look into other BD players that don't have such issue. There are other similar region free DVD/Blu players available around that price range. As time goes by it will be even cheaper.

But if your primary intention is to view mostly DVD then it would be better just to invest in a high-end DVD player. Or if budget permits you can consider Oppo BDP-83 or opt for the cheaper version Oppo BDP-80 that can play both Blu & any region DVD.

barrister · « **Reply #88 on:** Feb 06, 2010 at 09:20 PM »

Yes, the Oppo BDP80 looks just about right for my needs. The only thing holding me back is the possible hassle of sending it back to the States in case the unit needs repairs.

As for the Panny BD60, the latest firmware update resolved the random pause problem on BDs. The absence of seamless DVD layer change compatibility was not addressed, and I don't think Panny even attempted to resolve it.

Quote from: pchin on Feb 06, 2010 at 07:31 PM

Let's not that small "bit" of a few minutes to hinder our enjoyament for the whole movie in HD.

Sir pchin, you are a true optimist!

Thanks a lot for your patience and all your valuable inputs. I might still change my mind about BD ...

av_phile1 · « **Reply #89 on:** Feb 07, 2010 at 10:30 AM »

Atty, you could wait a little more for those HDMI 1.4 equipped BD players that can play 3D materials in full 1080p. I'm also on the sidelines as I'm not really a fan of Blu ray which I still consider immature for the promises it holds. But the 3D thing just might do it for me. I can watch HD movies at home anyway without spending a dime.