Author Topic: need help in setting up a 5.1 surround (Read 4829 times)

anya618 · « **on:** Jul 20, 2008 at 10:42 AM »

i currently have 2 dvd players (philips dvp3005 and dvp3110k). ano options ko if i want to have a 5.1 installed in my room? ung budget friendly sana, without having to spent a fortune. me nakita kasi akong dvd player with 5.1 included 5k lang kaso i dont wanna buy another dvd player since meron na akong 2.
thanks in advance

iiinas · « **Reply #1 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 02:27 PM »

basically, you will need an amplifier. medyo complicated, pero i'll try to explain.

your dvd can decode dd/dts signal, you will need an amplifier that can accept these decoded signals for you to know if the amp can do so is usually it has coax/spdif or optical digital input/s in it. so the connection is as follows:

audio part:
dvd (digital audio coax/spdif output or digital audio optical output) -------- amplifier/avr (digital audio coax/spdif input or digital audio optical input)

video part (choose only 1 connection):
1. dvd (composite/svideo/component video out) -------------- TV (composite/svideo/component video in)

of course, you have to connect the 5.1 speakers to your amplifier/avr so that there is sound coming out.

the above scenario is based on what you have right now, so you have to purchase the amplifier/avr and the speakers. very basic amplifier i see some members use is the sakura and konzert around 3-5k speakers basic siguro you can get a sub-sat combi for 10k (thats 5 satellites and 1 sub) pero pag gusto mo mga yamaha / onkyo / hk na amplifier/avr. mga 18k ang pinaka mura nilang models. but you can buy pre-owned dito da market place may mga 6-8k na bumebenta.

2nd option for you and i think its the cheapest and fastest way to get 5.1:

don't use your old dvd players anymore. since i know you are going to buy a 32" lcd. usually may ka-bundle na htib na yan (home theater in a box) which you will just add mga 5 to 10k (depende sa brand). what do you get with the htib. you get the amplifier and dvd player (usually this is in one component na and the 5.1 speakers).

otepsy · « **Reply #2 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 05:35 PM »

sir anya malapit lang loc. ko sayo ah baka matulungan kita...

Waxx · « **Reply #3 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 05:44 PM »

so it has started (thunderoll)..

yup.. i agree with iinsalao...

pero pinaka importante anya is.. decide kung short term or long term...

kung tingin mo ay ma saSARS ka in less than a year's time (upgrade) then go for self setup..

again, its more expensive, pero less upgrade in the future.. ikaw pa makakapili ng sarili mong setup.. andaming support dito at willing to help. di ka mauubusan...

pero if you think youll be satisfied with the 5.1 setup for 2-3 years..

then sell your old dvd player, and get a new home theatre in a box, or get a package sa TV na bibilhin mo.. (mas mura)

anya618 · « **Reply #4 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 05:59 PM »

parang nabasa ni otepsy location ko ah

sir waxxx me ibang option ba ako without buying an amp? maliit lang kasi as in maliit ung room na lalagyan ko and i think ill be satisfied with the 5.1 setup for at least 2 yrs. ung budget sana basta hindi lang tunog lata

otepsy · « **Reply #5 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 06:22 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 21, 2008 at 05:59 PM

parang nabasa ni otepsy location ko ah

oo nakita ko yung profile mo.. magkalapit lang tayo as in walking distance...abot tanaw hehe..

iiinas · « **Reply #6 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 07:15 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 21, 2008 at 05:59 PM

parang nabasa ni otepsy location ko ah

sir waxxx me ibang option ba ako without buying an amp? maliit lang kasi as in maliit ung room na lalagyan ko and i think ill be satisfied with the 5.1 setup for at least 2 yrs. ung budget sana basta hindi lang tunog lata

sorry, offline kasi si sir waxx, pero i think parang hindi pwede, kasi walang power ang dvd player mo eh. even if you have the 5.1 speakers wala tayong pag kakabitan para tumunog siya, you can't connect it to your dvd player at wala syan amp to power the speakers.

sir anya, may speakers ka na ba? kasi even those small 5.1 system for computers can do actually, but you will need an amp talaga. not just a stereo amp but an amp that can decode dd/dts signals.

anya618 · « **Reply #7 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 07:19 PM »

actually wala akong amp eh. kaya nga nung nakita ko ung dvd player with 5.1 included parang gusto ko kunin

iiinas · « **Reply #8 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 07:28 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:19 PM

actually wala akong amp eh. kaya nga nung nakita ko ung dvd player with 5.1 included parang gusto ko kunin

ano sir yung dvd with 5.1 included? home theater in a box ba sya? may speakers na? kung meron na at 5k ok na sya. pero look at it closer baka dolby digital lang decode nya, mas maganda kung pati dts decode din nya. pag 5k naman sya pero dvd player lang na with dolby digital / dts decoder lang yan, kahit bilhin mo yun sir, you will need an amp parin.

anya618 · « **Reply #9 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 07:38 PM »

LG dvd brand sir. me kasamang 5 square speakers + 1 rectangular box (sub). nakita ko nakademo ung dvd player, ung mga wires ng speakers nakasaksak lang sa likuran ng dvd player. does this mean me built in amp na ung player?

Waxx · « **Reply #10 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM »

yup may built in na nga yung lg na nakita mo. altho why b
not get 1packaged with ur lcdtv?

anya618 · « **Reply #11 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 08:05 PM »

Quote from: Waxx on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:57 PM

yup may built in na nga yung lg na nakita mo. altho why b
not get 1packaged with ur lcdtv?

me ganun ba ke sir nemesis? whats the difference ng built in amp sa separate amp?

iiinas · « **Reply #12 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 08:18 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 21, 2008 at 08:05 PM

me ganun ba ke sir nemesis? whats the difference ng built in amp sa separate amp?

meron yan, samsung ang panasonic lcds usually may packaged na htib. he also sells lg plasmas and lcd. well, like sir wax said, kung htib ka, mas maganda na yung same sa lcd mo, 1. match sya 2. sigurado you get a package discount. and i think yung mga naka package ngayon sa mga lcd tv mga hdmi based htib na, so medyo future proof kana. tapos ganon din naman bayad mo, mga 5-10k additional lang.

yung lg na nakita mo, htib na yon, may kasamang speaker na pala, yun lang nga, i doubt na hdmi based na siya.

pm mo nalang si sir nemesis (theaterworks) or si sir e-reply (sights and sounds) or just go to their threads sa av store, i'm sure meroon ng mga naka post na packages.

Waxx · « **Reply #13 on:** Jul 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM »

korek si sir iiinaslao...

ok mga package ni nemesis.. ..

yung dvd with built in amp.. sya na ang nag aact as amplifier.. no need to buy a separate AV receiver.. dun mo na sa DVD isasaksak mga speakers mo.. sya na mag drdrive ng power to your speakers..

pag wala naman built in amp.. di mo pwede i plug yung speakers mo sa amp.. so kelangan bibili ka pa ng separate ampli for your speakers.. in this case, you can go for a entry level amp, tapos ibang speakers, like bose, wharfdale, mission, b&w, etc.. tapos mapapasin mo unti unti ka nang gumagastos tapos maadik ka na sa kakaupgrade tapos di ka happy kung walang bayo (bass) tapos too late na..

may SARS ka na...

i dont think im helping..

anya618 · « **Reply #14 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 05:47 AM »

di ba meron naman bass box kasama ung 5.1? so meron siyang bayo?

iiinas · « **Reply #15 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 06:35 AM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:47 AM

di ba meron naman bass box kasama ung 5.1? so meron siyang bayo?

yup, thats the 0.1 subwoofer.

Waxx · « **Reply #16 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 08:32 AM »

yes anya. may bayo sya.. pero mga HTIB.. syempre di naman ganun kalakas ang bayo.. pero ok lang.. in time youll learn to appreciate everything.

anya618 · « **Reply #17 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 08:33 AM »

diba sir pag sinabing 5.1 ibig sabihin four speakers sa 4 corners, 1 center, and 1 sub? ano naman ung 7.1?

Waxx · « **Reply #18 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 09:26 AM »

hmmm.. eto ang ok na link:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout2.html

defjam · « **Reply #19 on:** Jul 22, 2008 at 08:18 PM »

thanks sa link.akala ko kasi sa right dapat ang sub, sa diagram sa left pala dapat

Waxx · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 23, 2008 at 12:17 AM »

actually.. yung LFE (subs).. depende naman sa kanya kanyang preference... at sa layout ng room..

sa akin sa right ngayon..

meron iba sa likuran..

kanya kanya naman, kung san mo mas feel manggagaling ang bayo..

ivannn · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 25, 2008 at 03:52 PM »

sir anya618,

2x na tayo nagka deal before.

anyway, yung mga htib na sold sa mga appliance stores okay na yan if sabi mo na maliit ang paglalagyan. tapos later on na lang u mag upgrade if nakukulangan ka pa sa performance. pero its a good start na rin ang htib. check out na rin yung mga yamaha na htib.

anya618 · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM »

Quote from: ivannn on Jul 25, 2008 at 03:52 PM

sir anya618,

2x na tayo nagka deal before.

anyway, yung mga htib na sold sa mga appliance stores okay na yan if sabi mo na maliit ang paglalagyan. tapos later on na lang u mag upgrade if nakukulangan ka pa sa performance. pero its a good start na rin ang htib. check out na rin yung mga yamaha na htib.

nacheck ko na ung LG htib, wala siyang hdmi jacks. ang nakikita ko lang is composite jacks lang

ano ba difference ng composite, s-cable, sa hdmi? alam ko lang kasi ung component which is ung original na dati pa (yellow for video, red and white for left and right speakers)

iiinas · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 12:16 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM

nacheck ko na ung LG htib, wala siyang hdmi jacks. ang nakikita ko lang is composite jacks lang
ano ba difference ng composite, s-cable, sa hdmi? alam ko lang kasi ung component which is ung original na dati pa (yellow for video, red and white for left and right speakers)

jacks arrange according to good to best picture quality

composite (color yellow rca jack) - good
s-video (black color with small pins inside) - very good
component (three colors rca jacks red blue anad green) - very very good
hdmi (black color usually gold plated) - the best right now ( and you can get audio and video in just one jack)

if possible get the htib na hdmi na, para you can utilize your lcd tv's hdmi inputs.

anya618 · « **Reply #24 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 12:36 PM »

so ung hdmi is video and audio na? wala nang red and white jacks?

simonzaide · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 01:24 PM »

yup wala na sya red and white jacks... it carries both audio and video signals to ur TV or Reciever

anya618 · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 01:27 PM »

me disadvantage ba ang hdmi?

iiinas · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 04:49 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 26, 2008 at 01:27 PM

me disadvantage ba ang hdmi?

well, hdmi is a very new interface kasi, but its pure digital signal for both video and audio. actually ang latest nya is hdmi 1.3a, meron din 1.3, 1.2, 1.1. karamihan na makikita mo ngayon ay either 1.3a or 1.2. so what's the difference. 1.3a can carry hd video signals + lossless digital sound like dolby truhd and dts-ma. ang 1.2 naman can carry hd video signals but for sound it turns all dolby digital and dts signals into 5.1 lpcm, parehong surround sounds but yung isa lossless nga, same as the studio master.

disadvantages, ang nakikita kong disadvantage is the cost, lahat ng equipment na may hdmi mas mahal. so pati mga jacks and stuff mas mahal (although may mura hdmi cable sa cdr-king), but of course eventually bababa din yan. aside from cost stand point i don't see any disadvantage, mas convenient nga, kasi isang cable nalang sa likod ng receiver to the players and the screen. mas simple lang set-up.

anya618 · « **Reply #28 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 04:52 PM »

any difference sa hdmi cord na branded compared to those sold in cdr king?

iiinas · « **Reply #29 on:** Jul 26, 2008 at 05:03 PM »

Quote from: anya618 on Jul 26, 2008 at 04:52 PM

any difference sa hdmi cord na branded compared to those sold in cdr king?

medyo debatable pa yan, meron nagsasabing, walang difference, kasi its digital daw, so its either its working or not. but there is a thread here (nakalimutan ko na) where a member showed his screen having half good pq and half snowy pq, and he attributed it to bad hdmi cable, kasi after pinalitan nya, ok na. right now kasi, cost of 2 meter hdmi in cdrking is 250 pesos, on the average a/v stores carry brands in the 800-900 pesos worth, usually panasonic, tapos if you look at the market place here you can get a u.s. made one for aroud 500-600 pesos. kaya mura talaga ang cdr king. in my set up, i have 4 hdmi cable, 2 from cdrking, 2 that comes from the equipment i bought it with. so far, ok naman lahat, wala namang handshaking issues between equipments. so i can say, ok lang hdmi ng cdr-king.