Author Topic: Should Subjects on NMTs be Banned from PinoyDVD? (Read 16822 times)

Mouldingo · « **on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM »

NMTs have gained sudden upsurge in popularity. The sole purpose for most is to play HD content. However, its undisputed fact that media played are either ripped/pirated/questionable material from HD DVD/Blu ray disc or other copyrighted material. Since piracy is considered a no-no in any form (especially DVD and torrent files) here in Pinoy DVD, should any discussion/thread/sale regarding NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Novatron, or Egreat be banned?

barrister · « **Reply #1 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 05:09 PM »

A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.

It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussions, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussions.

A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #2 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 05:22 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Oct 04, 2008 at 05:09 PM

A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.

It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussion, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussion.

Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?

dts-HD 3D · « **Reply #3 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:03 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 05:22 PM

NMT are used for HD playback. Is ripping HD DVD/ Blu ray material suddenly legal? Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?

yes there is, I also use my NMT for my photo & personal video archives.

Philander · « **Reply #4 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:21 PM »

What is NMT?

Sorry napag iwanan na ata ako ng PinoyDVD.

dts-HD 3D · « **Reply #5 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:29 PM »

NMT = Networked Media Tank

Mouldingo · « **Reply #6 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:34 PM »

Networked Media Tank (NMT). The Networked Media Tank (NMT) is a state-of-the-art integrated digital entertainment system that allows you to watch, store and share digital content on your home network. With a built-in Digital Media Player, the NMT allows for seamless integration between your digital media and your entertainment system. An optional hard disk drive also gives the end user the ability to download content from the Internet and store it in the NMT to watch at their leisure. Playback of High Definition 1080P movies is supported by the NMTs.

Unfortunately, High Definition 1080P movies played are from ripped/illegally copied/pirated from HD DVD/ Blu ray and other Copyrighted Material.

Threads concerning NMTs only promote piracy since this is the only intent of those purchasing it.

Movies such Iron Man and Indy IV are already availble...

dyerds · « **Reply #7 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:36 PM »

I don't think banning the topic about any kind of medium is fair. It's how you use the media that makes it illegal but not the media itself. If you do that then why not ban subjects that discuss about mp3 players? Well...downloading of songs are illegal too.

Sir Philander okay lang yun. Ako rin hindi masyadong familiar sa NMT but this link might help you sir.

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Why_do_I_need_an_NMT.3F

Munskie · « **Reply #8 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 06:56 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Oct 04, 2008 at 05:09 PM

A ban on all NMT discussions would be unreasonable. An NMT may contain movies ripped from your own discs.

It is true that most video content on NMTs are pirated, but it is also true that most generic DVD players are used for pirated discs. If it is unfair to ban generic DVD player discussions, then it would also be unfair to ban NMT discussions.

A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.

I agree. If NMT discussions would be banned, then so HTPCs too.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #9 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM »

Quote from: Munskie on Oct 04, 2008 at 06:56 PM

I agree. If NMT discussions would be banned, then so HTPCs too.

Sorry to disagree. HTPCs can still play legal DVD, HD DVD and Blu ray. Unless you can dispute the HD content of your NMT as also legal. Sad to see many HD adopters seeking the jack sparrow pill...

sanmig_ph · « **Reply #10 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM »

i agree NMT player may contain movies ripped from my own disc

i agree A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK

Mouldingo · « **Reply #11 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:12 PM »

Quote from: sanmig_ph on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM

i agree NMT player may contain movies ripped from my own disc

Ripping of DVD is still illegal, I think...

iiinas · « **Reply #12 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:17 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:12 PM

Ripping of DVD is still illegal, I think...

depends on which countries you are in. but basically its not, as long as you don't resell it for a profit. i don't think the philippines even has a law on this (i may be absolutely wrong on this).

devlin_waugh · « **Reply #13 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:18 PM »

Quote from: sanmig_ph on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM

i agree A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK

i believe PinoyDVD members are disciplined enough to do this, discussions on illicit material played on any medium has always been avoided in the forums, any newbie who starts a new thread gets reminded of the forum rules almost as soon as its posted anyway

we'll ony end up endessly splitting hairs on the medium restriction although we should let this thread/survey run its course first to get enough consensus on the issue and see what other membersthink about it...albeit for a limited/fixed period

about content ripped from personal stuff, i think it's still an ongoing debate - most who are for it say it's ok to share it but not to sell it for profit...

Munskie · « **Reply #14 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:23 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM

Sorry to disagree. HTPCs can still play legal DVD, HD DVD and Blu ray. Unless you can dispute the HD content of your NMT as also legal. Sad to see many HD adopters seeking the jack sparrow pill...

And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.

Maybe the OP should have narrowed down the proposed ban on pirated movie downloads.....not on NMTs.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #15 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:29 PM »

Quote from: devlin_waugh on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:18 PM

about content ripped from personal stuff, i think it's still an ongoing debate - most who are for it say it's ok to share it but not to sell it for profit...

Would you term that the same way as torrent files? Torrents and illegal downloads are free too. A can of worms indeed...

iiinas · « **Reply #16 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:31 PM »

Quote from: Munskie on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:23 PM

And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought or rented. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.

Maybe the OP should have narrowed down the proposed ban on pirated movie downloads.....not on NMTs.

agree, movie and music downloads are here to stay, its one of the reasons why a lot of people are predicting that bluray might die even before it takes off. its the future of content distribution. and nmts (apple tv, popcorn, tivx, egreat and what not) will be in the middle of it.

devlin_waugh · « **Reply #17 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:33 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:29 PM

Would you term that the same way as torrent files? Torrents and illegal downloads are free too. A can of worms indeed...

as I've said sir it's an ongoing debate

the best we can do is avoid it lest we jeopardize/compromise PinoyDVD's policies, that much we can do we can always discuss the matter in other venues where it's allowed...like in Congress

Mouldingo · « **Reply #18 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:35 PM »

Quote from: Munskie on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:23 PM

And so do NMTS. Coz there are legal movie downloads that can be bought or rented. Just like Amazon's Unbox/ Video on Demand service.

C'mon, do you think I will download something that I can get for free...who are we kidding?!? Why would you settle for less when I can get it on HD...

For those who don't realize how deep the praises for NMTs is...

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=84863.0

Quote from: milkins

Wow biglang ang dami nang nag switch to NMT ah. Come to think of it even if you have 1TB movies or even movies in 3TB server, I doubt you'll ever be able to watch all of them. It will take months to finish. Just watch and delete.

Quote from: iiinas

very true and practical. but for a lot of enthusiasts coming from collecting discs. this is unknown territory and very hard to do. total paradigm shift ika nga. hehehe

Locked thread...same issue.

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=85164.0

Munskie · « **Reply #19 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:44 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:35 PM

C'mon, do you think I will download something that I can get for free...who are we kidding?!? Why would you settle for less when I can get it on HD...

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=84863.0

I am just disagreeing with the notion coming from the OP that NMTs can only contain/play pirated download material. They can play legal material too.

Thats why the ban should be on the discussion of pirated downloaded material. Not on the medium. Coz if we put the ban on the medium, then a lot of other mediums will be affected.

And that includes HTPCs, DVD players, and even Blu-ray players!!! Coz Blu-ray players/PS3 can play pirated discs too right?

dyerds · « **Reply #20 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Oct 04, 2008 at 05:09 PM

A ban limited to discussions about downloaded movies is OK, since that would only be consistent with this site's no-piracy policy; however, merely discussing the NMT itself should be allowed.

I totally agree on this. Subjects that inlcude promotion of piracy are the subjects that should be banned on this forum.

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 06:47 PM

Then probably discussions on pirated dvd and torrent files are OK with you since everyone else is doing it....

Members like me are looking for an affordable way to enjoy hd viewing that's why discussions about movie files such as torrent, divx, etc have been in this forum for a long time. It's not just because of the rave about NMT's lately that members are discussing it now. Anyway, you should also include in your subject if discussions of files like these should also be banned in this forum.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #21 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:56 PM »

Quote from: dyerds on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:45 PM

Members like me are looking for an affordable way to enjoy hd viewing that's why discussions about movie files such as torrent, divx, etc have been in this forum for a long time. It's not just because of the rave about NMT's lately that members are discussing it now. Anyway, you should also include in your subject if discussions of files like these should also be banned in this forum.

I will just stick to the subject of NMTs and their illegal usage since your proposal will just make this poll go in circles...

Mouldingo · « **Reply #22 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 07:58 PM »

Quote from: Munskie on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:44 PM

I am just disagreeing with the notion coming from the OP that NMTs can only contain/play pirated download material. They can play legal material too.

Again, the intent to play illegal pirated HD content is the sole purpose for the purchase of NMTs for most...

sanmig_ph · « **Reply #23 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 08:06 PM »

lets avoid saying nmt player is better than bluray
lets avoid discussion regarding hd rip sharing file

nakakainsulto sa mga collector na member na mas maganda ang hd rip compare sa bluray

bluray is still no. 1 priority,but for me earning 7k for two weeks,

how can i buy bluray titles worth 1 - 1.5k & by order pa from states.

kaya dati 3 times a day ako kumakain ngayon 2 times a day na lang para ma suportahan ang hobby

wag naman po san i ban ang nmt

ivannn · « **Reply #24 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 08:27 PM »

i think yung open discussions lang na ginagamit as sales talk ang parang "500gb with freebies" ang dapat bantayan. pero yung the product itself i think its okay naman. mahirap lang kasi na openly napaguusapan na parang come on ng prospective buyer eh kasi advertised ng seller na the product has a lot of freebies na they can even PM you on the list of movies/tv series etc. na pwede mo ipalagay and considered siya na "freebies"

let the product sell itself without promoting openly ang freebies para at least silent tayo if it caters to p*.

Munskie · « **Reply #25 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 08:27 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 07:58 PM

Again, the intent to play illegal pirated HD content is the sole purpose for the purchase of NMTs for most...

Thats why the need to ban discussions on the intent, and not on the medium. We'll never know if some poor soul will use it for something not illegal, and he cant discuss it here coz it is banned.

sanmig_ph · « **Reply #26 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 08:29 PM »

Quote from: ivannn on Oct 04, 2008 at 08:27 PM

i think yung open discussions lang na ginagamit as sales talk ang parang "500gb with freebies" ang dapat bantayan. pero yung the product itself i think its okay naman. mahirap lang kasi na openly napaguusapan na parang come on ng prospective buyer eh kasi advertised ng seller na the product has a lot of freebies na they can even PM you on the list of movies/tv series etc. na pwede mo ipalagay and considered siya na "freebies"

let the product sell itself without promoting openly ang freebies para at least silent tayo if it caters to p*.

+1

streetsmart · « **Reply #27 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 08:54 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 05:22 PM

Also generic DVD players can still play legal DVD, is there legal materials for NMTs to play?

I have 200 gb of photos which I have downloaded to the hdd of my NMT. It's so convenient and great to display my pics on a 120" screen.

I plan to get another 1 TB external hdd so I can download my cd collection of about 700 gb. Its just great to have the NMT display my photos on a big screen and facilitate my selection of CD's through a single remote, without getting out of your seat. And in the future, I will likely have a server to handle all of my hdd's.

If I transfer my collection of 1400 DVD's to the hdd of an NMT so I can easily play any movie, will that be illegal? I will check all of this with my lawyer on Monday but I really don't think I would have any legal problem.

This is the future. Let's not get stuck in the past.

Mouldingo · « **Reply #28 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 09:00 PM »

The medium is the problem. Its ability to play pirated HD content alone and easier use than a HTPC are enough to entice purchasers. Banning NMTs will make it harder for people to yearn Pirated HD Content.

jackryan · « **Reply #29 on:** Oct 04, 2008 at 09:05 PM »

Quote from: Mouldingo on Oct 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM

NMTs have gained sudden upsurge in popularity. The sole purpose for most is to play HD content. However, its undisputed fact that media played are either ripped/pirated/questionable material from HD DVD/Blu ray disc or other copyrighted material. Since piracy is considered a no-no in any form (especially DVD and torrent files) here in Pinoy DVD. Should any discussion/thread/sale regarding NMTs such as Popcorn Hour, Novatron, or Egreat be banned?

First, I like your avatar liner "life is too short..."

Second, I don't want to deny the fact that I have NMT's and other players and have both legally sourced materials and those that are not... I don't even want to justify why I do so...

Third, if you wish / propose to ban such topics and deny that such new technology such NMT's are disruptive developments... they are a "game-changer"... changes the landscape... good or bad I cannot tell nor even attemp to justify. The only thing I do not wish will be for such things to go underground...and for avid members here to have to just pretend that these things does not exist just because it cannot be discussed here...

-JackRyan