Topic: PLASMA MANUAL CALIBRATION NOT ALLOWED

[surg]

Nag-text ako sa kanya, asking him to look at this thread and make a response. Kasi ever since he registered and then quickly made 3 posts, d na sya log-in. Hindi naman tama yun.

Nemesis had already posted on his behalf (page 1, reply #29, 6:18 pm)
Pero tama ka sir, it's highly unethical na nanggulo lang sya then no more words from him. And why he had to depend on nemesis to clarify things and not he himself 

[surg]

It's a good thing that the guy is very professional at di pinapatulan yung post ni panaphil kahit obvious na siya ang sinisiraan.

Saludo ako sayo sir v***!!!

[frootloops]

That person cannot be vic12 bec nemesis already posted on page 2, reply#46, 11:50 pm that he knew the guy and even gave his number

I know...I've read the threads from page 1-4.

[frootloops]

May advantages din when you buy at the grey market. For one, cheaper, two, may freebies pa. Hindi ba parang insulto yun sa Pana when the grey market offers those freebies yet sila hindi magawa?

Maybe they want the consumers to calibrate their units directly with Pana, maybe with a fee? Gandang raket din kasi yan.

When I first saw this post, bogus agad naisip ko, ang labo ng gusto nya sabihin when he mentioned Manual Calibration, since may (2) areas to calibrate, kaya heto umabot na ng 4pages.

[byron]

One very important rule in business:
Always be objective and never be emotional when communicating.

[R1DVD]

May advantages din when you buy at the grey market. For one, cheaper, two, may freebies pa. Hindi ba parang insulto yun sa Pana when the grey market offers those freebies yet sila hindi magawa?

True.  Pero just to point out what surg has said, he got his Panasonic from "Spyderman" and got a Phil. Panasonic Certificate so "Spyderman" is an authorized Panasonic dealer and his Panasonic plasmas are not grey units.  Baka lang kasi ma-misinterpret.

[R1DVD]

Nag-text ako sa kanya, asking him to look at this thread and make a response. Kasi ever since he registered and then quickly made 3 posts, d na sya log-in. Hindi naman tama yun.

I also sent him PM to elaborate on his post regarding "manual calibration".  If he doesn't reply on this thread, I suggest the moderator do something about this since obviously this is a malicious post intended to discredit a respected AV seller on our forum.

[paquito_chips]

Kapuso ako. kaya kampi ako sa nakakakita ng pagkakamali at nakakarinig sa damdamin ng karamihan.

ayos ba mga pre? hehe..

[surg]

True.  Pero just to point out what surg has said, he got his Panasonic from "Spyderman" and got a Phil. Panasonic Certificate so "Spyderman" is an authorized Panasonic dealer and his Panasonic plasmas are not grey units.  Baka lang kasi ma-misinterpret.

And I believe many members can attest that they had bought units with Panasonic Phils certificates from "Spyderman"

[barrister]

True.  Pero just to point out what surg has said, he got his Panasonic from "Spyderman" and got a Phil. Panasonic Certificate so "Spyderman" is an authorized Panasonic dealer and his Panasonic plasmas are not grey units.  Baka lang kasi ma-misinterpret.

Tama.  Pero "misinterpret" lang ba ang tawag dun?   

Eto ang sabi niya: THOSE GIVING FREE CALIBRATION FOR PLASMAS ARE DEFINITELY NOT AUTHORIZED PANASONIC PHILIPPINES DEALERS..BEWARE!!!!!!!

Maliwanag na sinabi ni panaphil, magbigay ka lang ng free calibration, siguradong hindi ka authorized seller.  "DEFINITELY" nga daw e.  At "BEWARE!!!!!!" pa, ha. 

Hindi na "misinterpret" ang tawag diyan, na para bang tama naman yung sinullat pero baka hindi lang maging tama ang intindi ng babasa.  Ang tawag diyan malinaw na panloloko. 

[frootloops]

^ empunto! 

So even if you are an authorized dealer and you calibrated, that makes you an unauthorized dealer na. Tama ba? 

On the other hand, does the certificate alone makes the unit legit and not a grey one even though the one selling is not an authorized dealer? I know someone who sells different brands of flats and does his business at the convenience of his house, not an official distributor, he gives certificates,warranties and does not calibrate....so authorized dealer na sya. 

[Carlo777]

Tama.  Pero "misinterpret" lang ba ang tawag dun?   

Eto ang sabi niya: THOSE GIVING FREE CALIBRATION FOR PLASMAS ARE DEFINITELY NOT AUTHORIZED PANASONIC PHILIPPINES DEALERS..BEWARE!!!!!!!

Maliwanag na sinabi ni panaphil, magbigay ka lang ng free calibration, siguradong hindi ka authorized seller.  "DEFINITELY" nga daw e.  At "BEWARE!!!!!!" pa, ha. 

Hindi na "misinterpret" ang tawag diyan, na para bang tama naman yung sinullat pero baka hindi lang maging tama ang intindi ng babasa.  Ang tawag diyan malinaw na panloloko. 

Bakit kaya Plasma lang? Maganda cguro ang profit margin! So sa LCD kaya pwede sir?

[R1DVD]

By my post, I meant na baka mamis-interpret ng mga readers ang statement ni fruitloops.  Kasi sabi ni frootloops "Hindi ba parang insulto yun sa Pana when the grey market offers those freebies yet sila hindi magawa?  Baka isipin ng iba na yung nagooffer ng free calibration (si Spyderman) ay gray market kasi may free calibration siya.  Eh like what surg has posted, he got his unit from Spyderman and he got a Phil Panasonic Certificate.  Ang intindi ko eh if you give Philippine warranty, then you're an authorized dealer, kasi pag gray unit walang local warranty (I hope I'm correct on this)

[stickfighter]

This is clearly a post made to ruin the grey market vendors/distributors...seems to me na tinataman na sila ng matindi in sales, co'z they are not selling as much as the grey vedors/distributors are.

This is a desperate move indeed. Mr. Panaphil just made a one time shout out...feeling nya magpapadala tayo.

A number of us here, myself included, have purchased grey units because of the perks that come with the purchase and the after sales customer service included na hindi nila matapatan...hence, no contest talaga! They are at the losing end.

Besides...how credible can this person be for posting such a remark in the first place...?

[frootloops]

By my post, I meant na baka mamis-interpret ng mga readers ang statement ni fruitloops.  Kasi sabi ni frootloops "Hindi ba parang insulto yun sa Pana when the grey market offers those freebies yet sila hindi magawa?  Baka isipin ng iba na yung nagooffer ng free calibration (si Spyderman) ay gray market kasi may free calibration siya.  Eh like what surg has posted, he got his unit from Spyderman and he got a Phil Panasonic Certificate.  Ang intindi ko eh if you give Philippine warranty, then you're an authorized dealer, kasi pag gray unit walang local warranty (I hope I'm correct on this)

Wait a minute kapeng mainit...why do you keep on quoting my post with surg and spyderman? I was giving my own opinion and was not referring to anyone.

[akyatbundok]

Panasonic Plasmas are of the highest quality and definitely the most Superior in PDP category!

Two words: Pioneer Kuro   hehe can't afford nga lang kaya sa Pany ako.

Attention!!!
=> Manual calibration is not allowed..it will definitely VOID warranty!
        THOSE GIVING FREE CALIBRATION FOR PLASMAS ARE DEFINITELY NOT AUTHORIZED PANASONIC
        PHILIPPINES DEALERS..BEWARE!!!!!!!
=> Purchase only from authorized Panasonic Philippines dealers.
=> Never purchase from grey market dealers because our trademark Panasonic Philippines Customer    Service Satisfaction can't be availed.

One time I went window-shopping sa isang malaking electronic store (i.e. authorized dealer).  When I got to the Panasonic section they were showing a low-quality pirated movie!  Whereas Samsung, Sony and Philips were showing impressive high-definition demos.  Pany is a great brand and they make great products, but who would buy from this store?  Compare that to the 2 sellers here who always recomend Pany because of its great price/performance.

[R1DVD]

fruit loops, I sent you a PM

[ricky]

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dude meron daw talaga policy na ganyan ang samsung and panasonic. pero for calibration via service menu, or whatever that is. Stores that offer free calibration kasi nasa post nya, kaya syempre instinct na natin na parang may unethical purpose tong thread na to.
[/quote]

I dont think there is anything unethical about a COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE posting a warning to consumers about VOIDING WARRANTY on certain conditions and mentioning THOSE DEALERS THAT SELL GREY MARKET UNITS. We should thank him pa nga kasi kahit poorly written yung kanyang statement eh he tried his best to make us aware that there are UNATHORIZED SELLERS and that these sellers are the one GIVING FREE CALIBRATION  Being an authorized representative of a company he has the right to protect his interest and that of their clients.

I feel marami lang nasaktan kasi napaso  bec they didnt know that the units they bought are GREY MARKET UNITS Dito talaga sa pilipinas dami kasi maabilidad And wag na natin intrigahin mga sellers kasi i think they are all related to one another as in RELATIVES

PS I know of owners who calibrates their plasma to the max meaning pati service menu ginagalaw Experts eh

[jay2]

Siguro cnabi lang nila ito para hindi tayo bumili ng grey market products and buy ony from Panasonic Philippines. Dahil siguro ang grey market plasma is not factory calibrated unlike from Pana Phil.

Mas maganda siguro tapatan nila prices ng grey market, malamang walang tatangkilik sa grey market.

just my one cent 

jay

[R1DVD]

I don't know about the others but I'm speaking for myself here.  It's one thing to warn buyers against buying from grey market (although as others have said, there's nothing wrong in buying grey units) and voiding warranty by tinkering with the service menu, but it's another thing to issue that warning with the intent of ruining the business of a respected AV seller here who obviously sells Panasonic plasma with Phil Panasonic certificate (according to a buyer here) and only does spyder calibration which doesn't tinker with the service menu. Kung baga general nga ang warning pero obviously may pinapatamaan at yung pinapatamaan ay yung di naman dapat patamaan.

Personally, this warning doesn't affect me since I got a plasma from another brand and I have another LCD from another brand (buti na lang di ako bumili ng Panasonic).  The plasma that I got from the AV seller that is being referred to came with a Philippine warranty, so it's not a grey unit. What really got my ire is that why would someone come out of nowhere just to discredit a respected AV seller here na wala naman masamang ginagawa at di naman lumalaban.  I've been a member of this forum for so many years (since 2001) and have watched it grow to what it is now.  It saddens me that our community gets infiltrated by someone whose intent is to ruin fellow forumers.  Back in those days, we were just forumers sharing tips and experiences with each other, occasionally trading and selling our hard to find dvds (since di pa gaano popular dvd dito at mahal ang mga local dvds).  Ngayon kasi, we became commercialized, with so many sellers becoming members.  Siyempre, commercialization comes with it's own evils (siraan).

The posts here are not meant to pit one seller versus the other.  Wala naman intrigahan.  This is purely in defense of an aggrieved AV seller and forumer. Again, I'm only speaking for myself here.

Mabuti pa nga sana if panaphil just posted the list of authorized Panasonic dealers (as suggested by others), hindi yung pahaging na kung sino-sino tinatamaan.  Sana nga magpost ulit si Panaphil dito

[Mouldingo]

The OP is the one in charge of distribution of Panasonic's Consumer department. I think what got them mad is some of the "grey" units ending up in their service centers. And some of the owners making kulit that their units are " under warranty". At least I'm happy to note that these unauthorized dealers recognize the superior product of Panasonic even though they are authorized dealers of such product such as Hitachi, Sony, Samsung and Pioneer.

[Moks007]

Actually you can't help talaga but to think that some stores sells grey units (no pun intended)
Let me explain
A couple years back, I was deciding between Samsung 46m81 and toshiba 47 incher. I forgot the model but it is in the price range of the samsung. The "stores" (we know who they are) are offering way below what abenson, etc are offering. The toshiba for example is like 30  thou ata below what the others are offering. I had my doubts also at that time. When I was in abenson festival mall ata just looking around I asked the toshiba representative seller if he could match the price given to me by one of the "stores" He told me no and said that those are not warrantied by toshiba, but its their store warranty only. They are known to swap parts daw on their own, fix on their own etc. etc. That scared me off until I became member of this forum and learned more about the "stores" I guess, and always ask what is their warranty. Sorry Im just that type of person I guess. You can't help it if these other stores are saying this and that bec of the price difference. At that time I also could not figure out how these "stores" price these items like that "super low" and toshiba, panasonic, samsung etc. etc. will not complain bec they are being under cut big time. How will abenson, Ansons sell? That was my thinking before. This was couple years back so maybe times have changed and these other stores are offering low prices na din. I have no bad intention but just sharing what I experienced and thats why there are these "grey" market accusations. Which if you look at it, talaga naman grey market price. Everything is at the buyers risk.

Again no bad intention on my post, people may hate it, Im sorry. But I'm just sharing what others outside of this forum "regular joes" might encounter and experience also I'm sure. They might think the same way I do, they may not.

[surg]

I dont think there is anything unethical about a COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE posting a warning to consumers about VOIDING WARRANTY on certain conditions and mentioning THOSE DEALERS THAT SELL GREY MARKET UNITS. We should thank him pa nga kasi kahit poorly written yung kanyang statement eh he tried his best to make us aware that there are UNATHORIZED SELLERS and that these sellers are the one GIVING FREE CALIBRATION   Being an authorized representative of a company he has the right to protect his interest and that of their clients.

I feel marami lang nasaktan kasi napaso  bec they didnt know that the units they bought are GREY MARKET UNITS Dito talaga sa pilipinas dami kasi maabilidad And wag na natin intrigahin mga sellers kasi i think they are all related to one another as in RELATIVES

PS I know of owners who calibrates their plasma to the max meaning pati service menu ginagalaw Experts eh

Sorry bro but I have to disagree with you.
First, the seller who is offerring free calibration is NOT necessarily an unauthorized panasono distributor because how can he give you a panasonic phil warranty certificate if he's not a panasonic distributor? Just bec he offer free calibration does not automatically make him an unauthorized pana distributor! Pero yun ang dating ng warning ni panaphil! Also, we all know here naman na pati yun nagsasabi na authorzed panasonic distributor siya ay meron din grey units [/b]
Second, I'm sure the members here who bought grey units were fully aware because matatalino ang mga members dito. As someone had post, they bought grey units bec it came with more freebies and the after-sales services.

[surg]

I don't know about the others but I'm speaking for myself here.  It's one thing to warn buyers against buying from grey market (although as others have said, there's nothing wrong in buying grey units) and voiding warranty by tinkering with the service menu, but it's another thing to issue that warning with the intent of ruining the business of a respected AV seller here who obviously sells Panasonic plasma with Phil Panasonic certificate (according to a buyer here) and only does spyder calibration which doesn't tinker with the service menu. Kung baga general nga ang warning pero obviously may pinapatamaan at yung pinapatamaan ay yung di naman dapat patamaan.
Personally, this warning doesn't affect me since I got a plasma from another brand and I have another LCD from another brand (buti na lang di ako bumili ng Panasonic).  The plasma that I got from the AV seller that is being referred to came with a Philippine warranty, so it's not a grey unit. What really got my ire is that why would someone come out of nowhere just to discredit a respected AV seller here na wala naman masamang ginagawa at di naman lumalaban.  I've been a member of this forum for so many years (since 2001) and have watched it grow to what it is now.  It saddens me that our community gets infiltrated by someone whose intent is to ruin fellow forumers.  Back in those days, we were just forumers sharing tips and experiences with each other, occasionally trading and selling our hard to find dvds (since di pa gaano popular dvd dito at mahal ang mga local dvds).  Ngayon kasi, we became commercialized, with so many sellers becoming members.  Siyempre, commercialization comes with it's own evils (siraan).

The posts here are not meant to pit one seller versus the other.  Wala naman intrigahan.  This is purely in defense of an aggrieved AV seller and forumer. Again, I'm only speaking for myself here.

Mabuti pa nga sana if panaphil just posted the list of authorized Panasonic dealers (as suggested by others), hindi yung pahaging na kung sino-sino tinatamaan.  Sana nga magpost ulit si Panaphil dito

Very well said sir. eka nga: "you took the words out of my mouth"

[milken]

Just want to add: the reason why grey market is flourishing is because of the outrageous prices the authorized importer is selling their units.  Aside from TV, mas mura bumili ng digital camera (e.g. Canon SLR) and laptop (e.g. Apple) sa grey market rather than authorized resellers.  At the end of the day, it's the same product from same company.  The difference is you go directly to the one you purchased your products for after-sale services.

[lithium_deuteride]

Baka naman....may Pinag-Bigyan lang. 

Opps.....intriga ba.

Hehe, you naughty boy you  .

[Bolshoie]

And wag na natin intrigahin mga sellers kasi i think they are all related to one another as in RELATIVES

PS I know of owners who calibrates their plasma to the max meaning pati service menu ginagalaw Experts eh

This is one good point that we need to remember, both are respected sellers here and they are already tested by time,If theres someone who needs to be interogated it should be the OP himself. Lets just be thankful that we have both sellers here in pinoydvd

[tetablanco]

Manufacturers like Panasonic Philippines are obligated to protect the business and profit margins of the big appliance chain stores since these stores sell the manufacturers' complete lineup of products (aircons, refrigerators, microwave ovens, etc.) and not just TVs.  However, manufacturers also supply to specialized shops like the AV shops that are very popular here (for this reason, it is therefore unfair to call these specialized AV shops "gray marketers".).  Specialized AV shops normally charge prices that are closer to distributor price rather than the manufacturers' "suggested retail price" or SRP since they have lower overhead costs.  Once these AV shops undercut the prices charged by the big chains for the same items, the big chains naturally complain to the manufacturer.  The big chains can even threaten to limit or cut off the sale of the manufacturers' other products in their stores by by giving less "shelf space" to the manufacturers' products and more to their competitors'.  Because of this pressure from the big chains, the manufacturers (or their poor marketing employees who are on the receiving end of the big chains' wrath) would then have to do a balancing act by appearing to be doing something to address the issue but in a way that would not alienate the specialized AV stores which now appear to be selling more of their higher-margin AV products.  Hence, the poorly-worded, highly-misleading, and dubious warning posted by the OP.

 

[ricky]

Sorry bro but I have to disagree with you.
First, the seller who is offerring free calibration is NOT necessarily an unauthorized panasono distributor because how can he give you a panasonic phil warranty certificate if he's not a panasonic distributor? Just bec he offer free calibration does not automatically make him an unauthorized pana distributor! Pero yun ang dating ng warning ni panaphil! Also, we all know here naman na pati yun nagsasabi na authorzed panasonic distributor siya ay meron din grey units [/b]
Second, I'm sure the members here who bought grey units were fully aware because matatalino ang mga members dito. As someone had post, they bought grey units bec it came with more freebies and the after-sales services.

Bro no problem,you're welcome to disagree this is just one healthy discussion for all members to benefit

And as far as I know GREY MARKET UNITS does not come with local warranties, so if you bought your units with local warranty certificate then I guess its not a GREY UNIT at all.

And looks to me that the we are only focussing our sympathy to only one seller who offers free calibration(who is BTW a very good seller ) that we reacted this way. What about other sellers outside of pinoydvd who offers free calibration that the units ended up in PANASONIC's service center? Yeah the op's post is so general in nature and as I've said poorly made But we all know what he is talking about Only the representative knows of what's really happening to their units whether TRUE BLU or GRAY


Its just a warning so take it as it is, In the end it will be us and our wallet(wifey ) who will decide on what to buy. Walang pinag-iba sa ORIG at PIRATED/DOWNLOADED titles ito na may kanya-kanyang dahilan tayo

Peace. Sabi na nga kasi mas ok yung LCD eh

[tetablanco]

Baka naman gusto lang ng OP takutin si Spyderman by threatening to revoke his status as an authorized distributor...