Author Topic: Samsung 40A650 impressions (Read 15000 times)

Carlo777 · « **Reply #60 on:** Jan 15, 2009 at 04:20 PM »

Quote from: young_Miklo on Jan 14, 2009 at 09:52 AM

carlo, playing ps3 games on a pv80 and samsung lcd, more detailed ba visuals pag sa lcd?

I'd use the word mas "crisp" ang dating ng Sammy A650 over a PV80 when it comes to games.

@barrister

Sir, if you can read this I have a question for you sana, The Sammy A650 uses a so-called 120Hz LCD technology and how does that compare to the 480hz "sub field" drive ng Panny Py800? Are they the same?

Thanks for the input master

lucky023 · « **Reply #61 on:** Jan 17, 2009 at 08:16 AM »

whats with barrister?? and the question?

ninjababez® · « **Reply #62 on:** Jan 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM »

Quote from: lucky023 on Jan 17, 2009 at 08:16 AM

whats with barrister?? and the question?

masipag kasi si barrister mag research ..

dannielsimone · « **Reply #63 on:** Jan 18, 2009 at 03:49 PM »

My brother in the states decided to replace his 3 year old 37 inch LCD Aquos in his lving room (first 1080 P in the market) with a 40 inch LCD unit. He thought that as circuit city was going out of business he could get a great deal. He also is a valued customer of "Best Buy" already and "PC Richards "as well. Although Circuit city had some good deals he just did not want to buy from them at this point. Best buy had some great deals but most of there better Deals were out of stock. The other shop "PC richards" is a good place to shop but there prices are not always the lowest compared to best buy and thats why they will always have stock available. My brother called me and raved about this great deal he just got. This 40 inch unit, he says, is the best LCD he has ever seen. He liked it more than the Sony XBR he tested and even commented he compared it to the best Pioneers plasma PQ (which was three times the price). He went on and on about this LCD and how great it looked in BD as well as regualar HD. He loves it so much that he will now be buying another one for his bedroom. The LCD Cost him USD dollar 1049 (Peso 50,000). The regular price is 1699 US dollars.

The model was the US version of the often mentioned Sammy LA40A650 here in the Phillies.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN40A650A1FXZA

Also should mention that my brother did also demo the 40A750 ( an additional 300 dolars) and my brother could see no difference in the PQ at all so for him it was a "no brainer". The 650 all the way.

With the TV my bro also picked up the newsest samsung Blue-ray palyer for only USD 200.

He said he felt like a kid in a candy store buying bubble gum and baseball cards ( as we did when we were kids) for 1/2 the price.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #64 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 12:16 AM »

Quote from: lucky023 on Jan 17, 2009 at 08:16 AM

whats with barrister?? and the question?

He's probably one of the best person to ask when it comes to a models "tech" specs.

Quote from: dannielsimone on Jan 18, 2009 at 03:49 PM

My brother in the states decided to replace his 3 year old 37 inch LCD Aquos in his lving room (first 1080 P in the market) with a 40 inch LCD unit. He thought that as circuit city was going out of business he could get a great deal. He also is a valued customer of "Best Buy" already and "PC Richards "as well. Although Circuit city had some good deals he just did not want to buy from them at this point. Best buy had some great deals but most of there better Deals were out of stock. The other shop "PC richards" is a good place to shop but there prices are not always the lowest compared to best buy and thats why they will always have stock available. My brother called me and raved about this great deal he just got. This 40 inch unit, he says, is the best LCD he has ever seen. He liked it more than the Sony XBR he tested and even commented he compared it to the best Pioneers plasma PQ (which was three times the price). He went on and on about this LCD and how great it looked in BD as well as regualar HD. He loves it so much that he will now be buying another one for his bedroom. The LCD Cost him USD dollar 1049 (Peso 50,000). The regular price is 1699 US dollars.

The model was the US version of the often mentioned Sammy LA40A650 here in the Phillies.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN40A650A1FXZA

Also should mention that my brother did also demo the 40A750 ( an additional 300 dolars) and my brother could see no difference in the PQ at all so for him it was a "no brainer". The 650 all the way.

With the TV my bro also picked up the newsest samsung Blue-ray palyer for only USD 200.

He said he felt like a kid in a candy store buying bubble gum and baseball cards ( as we did when we were kids) for 1/2 the price.

Well, it's one very very good T.V^

barrister · « **Reply #65 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 01:23 AM »

Quote from: Carlo777 on Jan 15, 2009 at 04:20 PM

@barrister

Sir, if you can read this I have a question for you sana, The Sammy A650 uses a so-called 120Hz LCD technology and how does that compare to the 480hz "sub field" drive ng Panny Py800? Are they the same?

No, they're definitely not the same. A 120 Hz LCD displays 120 fps (frames per second). But a 480 Hz plasma displays only 60 fps.

I'm pro-plasma, but this time I have to admit that LCD has the true spec, while plasma has a marketing gimmick.

The objective of a higher frame rate or frequency is to reduce the judder caused by the conversion of film (with 24 fps) to video (with 30 fps or 60i [NTSC] and 25 fps or 50i [PAL]).

Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.

AFAIK, plasma's highest frame rate frequency is presently only 72 Hz (by Pioneer). Nevertheless, plasma has no choice but to come up with their own high frequency spec or risk losing sales to LCD.

To compete with LCD specs, plasma divides the frame into sub-fields. If they divide the frame into 8 sub-fields, then 60Hz (frames per second) x 8 sub-fields per frame = 480 sub-fields per second; and 50Hz x 8 sub-fields = 400 sub-fields per second.

But the frame rate would still be 60Hz and 50Hz.

Similarly, Pioneer plasma can claim an 840Hz spec (14 sub-fields x 60Hz), but frame rate would still be 60Hz.

Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.

Surprisingly, plasma's 480 Hz spec actually has nothing to do with judder and motion interpolation. Let's just say that it's a spec that came from the marketing department rather than the engineering department.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #66 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 19, 2009 at 01:23 AM

Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.

That's probably one of reasons for Kuro's superior PQ even with lower resolution panels. I think Pioneer (own panels) has 14 subfields - 840Hz subfield drive so to speak.

barrister · « **Reply #67 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 01:50 PM »

When they ceased panel production, Pioneer said the outsourced panels would not make much of a difference because it's all in the processing software, which Pioneer itself will contnue to produce.

The latest news is that Pioneer is working on another video processing upgrade, called Fuga:

World exclusive: First look at Pioneer's next-gen
Kuro picture processing tech, codenamed Fuga
Steve May - 29 December 2008 - 8:35am

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/features/pioneer+previews+Fuga+Kuro+tech

Pioneer unveils latest Kuro processing tech
Company takes its picture processing to a whole new level
By Marc Chacksfield
TechRadar UK, UK - Jan 14, 2009

http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/pioneer-unveils-latest-kuro-processing-tech-501054

Carlo777 · « **Reply #68 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 02:40 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jan 19, 2009 at 01:23 AM

No, they're definitely not the same. A 120 Hz LCD displays 120 fps (frames per second). But a 480 Hz plasma displays only 60 fps.

I'm pro-plasma, but this time I have to admit that LCD has the true spec, while plasma has a marketing gimmick.

The objective of a higher frame rate or frequency is to reduce the judder caused by the conversion of film (with 24 fps) to video (with 30 fps or 60i [NTSC] and 25 fps or 50i [PAL]).

Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.

AFAIK, plasma's highest frame rate frequency is presently only 72 Hz (by Pioneer). Nevertheless, plasma has no choice but to come up with their own high frequency spec or risk losing sales to LCD.

To compete with LCD specs, plasma divides the frame into sub-fields. If they divide the frame into 8 sub-fields, then 60Hz (frames per second) x 8 sub-fields per frame = 480 sub-fields per second; and 50Hz x 8 sub-fields = 400 sub-fields per second.

But the frame rate would still be 60Hz and 50Hz.

Similarly, Pioneer plasma can claim an 840Hz spec (14 sub-fields x 60Hz), but frame rate would still be 60Hz.

Plasma pixels are either on or off. To produce an accurate gray scale, the intensity of each pixel is varied by flickering. That's where a sub-field comes in --- it's the length of time within a frame period that a pixel emits light. If there are 8 possible sub-fields per frame, those 8 sub-fields can be used in different combinations to form the required gray scale.

Surprisingly, plasma's 480 Hz spec actually has nothing to do with judder and motion interpolation. Let's just say that it's a spec that came from the marketing department rather than the engineering department.

Salamat sir/master/idol! You're a walking Tech manual=)

Anyway, I'll look at Transformers (Blu-ray) chapter 18 again because I noticed a very subtle motion flow difference between the two units and will post my observation when I get home^.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #69 on:** Jan 19, 2009 at 03:00 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Jan 13, 2009 at 03:28 PM

YES!

Increase illumination of the room.

Sit farther from the monitor.

Force blink your eyes, or the opposite of blink (the Pinoys use that to greet somebody - how do you call that).

STOP before you feel worse. Stretch or take toilet break or do whatever you can for a few minutes every hour.

Put a cold compress on your forehead. Or just wipe your face with something very very cold.

Some Xbots even drink Bonamine.

I rarely use the word hero for anybody, but you're the greatest hero in Philippine history (joke). Took a Bonamine before a round of Resistance(PS3/FPS game) and nakatagal ako ng 2 hours without the "dizzy" effect, yun lang I dozed off in front of the T.V after! Call of Duty here I come^

Carlo777 · « **Reply #70 on:** Jan 21, 2009 at 11:25 PM »

Impression update:

Just to check the motion flow of both units again, I took the Japanese Animation: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (USED BEC OF THE EXTREMLY FAST ACTION SCENES) for 10 repeated rounds of a particular segment that details the main character doing the "Hundred Crack Fist". Just by the name of the technique, you could imagine how fast this partical scene is.

Picture mode: Stanard on both
Automotion flow for Sammy switched-on.
Intelligent frame creation for Panny switched-on.

-Both units delivered quick blur free performance.
-Panny lashed out with very subtle phosphor lags via green trails.
-Sammy appears to present this scene with a more fluid definition.

This is a sample video of that segment, it's very different when you use the original dvd material. The link will simply show you how fast the scene was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoencBTune4

-check at 4:03-4:15 (Thanks to my sis for pointing out this particular scene)

Will test again using a non-action oriented movie to see just how smooth, smooth can be for both units.

fernando_montalban · « **Reply #71 on:** Jan 22, 2009 at 03:05 PM »

Quote from: Carlo777 on Jan 21, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Impression update:

Just to check the motion flow of both units again, I took the Japanese Animation: Hokuto no Ken Raoh Den (USED BEC OF THE EXTREMLY FAST ACTION SCENES) for 10 repeated rounds of a particular segment that details the main character doing the "Hundred Crack Fist". Just by the name of the technique, you could imagine how fast this partical scene is.

Looking forward to more impression updates... hehe
If it is not too much trouble, may I request a different test bed?
The thing is, I've seen a lot of videos on our LCD TV and for some reason, animation and computer generated images do tend to look best on HDTVs. Somehow, I can not discriminate the importance of motion flow, whether in a fast scene or a slow scene when it comes to Anime or CGI. Will you be able to test the motion flow of a live action scene? (like a high definition fast-paced movie or a live broadcast of a sport which requires fast actions) I don't know if there is an actual difference but would want to know the results either way.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #72 on:** Jan 22, 2009 at 03:22 PM »

Quote from: fernando_montalban on Jan 22, 2009 at 03:05 PM

Looking forward to more impression updates... hehe
If it is not too much trouble, may I request a different test bed?
The thing is, I've seen a lot of videos on our LCD TV and for some reason, animation and computer generated images do tend to look best on HDTVs. Somehow, I can not discriminate the importance of motion flow, whether in a fast scene or a slow scene when it comes to Anime or CGI. Will you be able to test the motion flow of a live action scene? (like a high definition fast-paced movie or a live broadcast of a sport which requires fast actions) I don't know if there is an actual difference but would want to know the results either way.

Sure, i'll be testing this on Casino Royal, it's pretty much fast paced.

espi · « **Reply #73 on:** Jan 24, 2009 at 06:38 PM »

^ i'm gonna wait for the results on this test, as im really torn between the a650 and the py800...still can't decide which one to get...

fernando_montalban · « **Reply #74 on:** Jan 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM »

An impression on my part...
I posted this question on a different thread last December '08... I added a few notes...

I recently got a Samsung 40A650 with a home theater bundle Samsung HT-Z210...

Assumption:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that LCD TVs automatically upscale video sources to its native resolution, that is only if the source video is lower than its native resolution. Given a 480 source video such as a DVD, in my case, the Sammy TV will automatically upscale it to "1920X1080". Even if the by pressing INFO on the TV remote says, 720X480, somehow the TV brings the video to fill the screen, thus in my belief, "upscaling" the video. I think INFO only shows the resolution of the source video and not the resolution the TV is showing.

The bundled home theatre setup also has its own upscaling capabilities up to 1080p.

The thing is...
There are much less artifacts when ever I let the LCD TV do the upscaling rather than the DVD player. The picture quality looks better when the player outputs a 480p DVD video towards the LCD TV versus the player outputs an upscaled DVD to 1080p towards the LCD TV. One example is when we watched The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian; the night scene when they are aboout to raid the castle. When the DVD player is set to upscale the video to 1080p, artifacts are all over the place (jagged edges) but when it outputs at 480p and played with the same scene, artifacts are far far less (there are still some since the source format is just SD but very much less)

Does the upscaling feature/hardware of the HT-Z210 not that good? Does the LCD TV have a better upscaler? or am I doing something wrong?

and my personal answer to my own question...

After using the the Sammy 40A650 and the Sammy HT-Z210 for quite some time now, I can definitively say that the video processing capabilities of the 40A650 LCD TV is better than the HT-Z210. If ever you have the same setup, I suggest, if you are using the HT-Z210, play your DVDs at 480p resolution and let the TV do the video processing. The picture quality is better. Even if my assumption is wrong, the picture still looks way better if the HT-Z210 is at an output of 480p during DVD playback. The Samsung 40A650 is a great LCD, inside and out.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #75 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 07:52 AM »

Quote from: fernando_montalban on Jan 27, 2009 at 05:51 PM

An impression on my part...
I posted this question on a different thread last December '08... I added a few notes...

I recently got a Samsung 40A650 with a home theater bundle Samsung HT-Z210...

Assumption:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that LCD TVs automatically upscale video sources to its native resolution, that is only if the source video is lower than its native resolution. Given a 480 source video such as a DVD, in my case, the Sammy TV will automatically upscale it to "1920X1080". Even if the by pressing INFO on the TV remote says, 720X480, somehow the TV brings the video to fill the screen, thus in my belief, "upscaling" the video. I think INFO only shows the resolution of the source video and not the resolution the TV is showing.

The bundled home theatre setup also has its own upscaling capabilities up to 1080p.

The thing is...
There are much less artifacts when ever I let the LCD TV do the upscaling rather than the DVD player. The picture quality looks better when the player outputs a 480p DVD video towards the LCD TV versus the player outputs an upscaled DVD to 1080p towards the LCD TV. One example is when we watched The Chronicles of Narnia, Prince Caspian; the night scene when they are aboout to raid the castle. When the DVD player is set to upscale the video to 1080p, artifacts are all over the place (jagged edges) but when it outputs at 480p and played with the same scene, artifacts are far far less (there are still some since the source format is just SD but very much less)

Does the upscaling feature/hardware of the HT-Z210 not that good? Does the LCD TV have a better upscaler? or am I doing something wrong?

and my personal answer to my own question...

After using the the Sammy 40A650 and the Sammy HT-Z210 for quite some time now, I can definitively say that the video processing capabilities of the 40A650 LCD TV is better than the HT-Z210. If ever you have the same setup, I suggest, if you are using the HT-Z210, play your DVDs at 480p resolution and let the TV do the video processing. The picture quality is better. Even if my assumption is wrong, the picture still looks way better if the HT-Z210 is at an output of 480p during DVD playback. The Samsung 40A650 is a great LCD, inside and out.

same case with bolshoie .. using his pansonic le8 and setting his htib to output 480p only.
it seems that the manufacturers assumed that consumers would use 480p players.

jay_26 · « **Reply #76 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 08:51 AM »

I think if you're more on to gaming and watching ANIME, go for the sammy but if you're more on purely watching your blurays/dvd's, go for the panny.

espi · « **Reply #77 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM »

is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?

since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...

i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..

but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course

fernando_montalban · « **Reply #78 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 01:38 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Jan 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM

is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?

since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...

i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..

but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course

I have not experienced or at least have not seen the importance or the impact of the 120/100Hz Motion Plus technology. It comes to a point that I believe that all this is some marketing scheme. Don't get me wrong, the technology is there and indeed embedded in the TV, but for me, I can not tell the difference between watching while the Motion Plus is activated or not. Same case with Sony's Motion Flow, when movie night is at a friend's house. As Carlo777 would say, trust your own eyes. I have never owned a plasma myself or watched videos, hours long on one, so I am not in a position to really judge. In the end, for me, the strain comes in when I watch at the wrong viewing distance (i.e when the sofa is full and I have to sit on the floor, closer to the TV than I would want to be). By the way, the 40A650 that I have only has 100Hz Motion Plus, not 120Hz, and I think my friend's Sony only has 100Hz Motion Flow as well. With black levels, how I wish the series 9's are already available.

I think they have 2,000,000:1 contrast.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #79 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 02:50 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Jan 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM

is it safe to say that since the a650 uses 120hz tech, displaying 120 refresh rates, would mean less or no eye strain at all?

since all LCDs are currently capable of 60 Hz refresh rates lang...resulting to strains nga...

i was a user of LCDTVs the past few years and experienced eye strain...with a plasma, i didnt experienced it at all..

but since this unit are getting good reviews, i might get one...but my concern now is the eye strain...and black levels of course

Less eye strain pa din on a Plasma, you will observe that the PY800 is softer in terms of color definition over the lower models like the PV8 or PV80 so baka manibago ka at first.

Final test done on both the A650 and PY800 in terms of motion flow

Blu-Ray:

Kingdom of Heaven (Chapter: The Saracens Challenge)

Note: I don't really like these funky motion flow features because, like I said on my PY800 impressions - they tend to make the motion so smooth that they give you a somewhat handy cam look.

-The A650 gave a smoother flow when the "Saracen" and the lead character were clashing with very swift sword strikes.

Final Observations:

General over-all picture quality for DVD and Blu-Ray

-Both have very good picture quality and are almost alike when you use the "Standard" picture setting
-The Dynamic setting of the PY800 is better because you can actually watch it without worrying about eye strain
-Motion flow goes to Sammy, smoother with no blurs and no green trails

Cable

-No dice plasma pa din

Gaming

-Sammy hands down with no phosphor lag or motion blur issues.

POST UPDATE: I noticed that the PY800 induces a minor picture flicker when you activate the 1080p/24 on your PS3 when you watch Blu-Ray's. I don't know if this is just my unit, but I'll research on this baka naman sa akin lang yun and may need replacement.

Thank you.

espi · « **Reply #80 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 05:16 PM »

nice review sir.. now im really inclined to go back to LCD because of this specific model..

how about the blacks? acceptable naman ba?

have you experienced eye strains on this model? sa lower models kasi meron talaga eh...if this one is tolerable, then i guess its ok.

some say that there is more depth on the py800 over the a650..do you agree on this?

as much as i would like to see the performance of these two side by side, there are no available units to audition eh...

Carlo777 · « **Reply #81 on:** Jan 28, 2009 at 05:41 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Jan 28, 2009 at 05:16 PM

nice review sir.. now im really inclined to go back to LCD because of this specific model..

how about the blacks? acceptable naman ba?

have you experienced eye strains on this model? sa lower models kasi meron talaga eh...if this one is tolerable, then i guess its ok.

some say that there is more depth on the py800 over the a650..do you agree on this?

as much as i would like to see the performance of these two side by side, there are no available units to audition eh...

Blacks are acceptable and are very good for an LCD, perhaps the deepest black of any LCD I've had so far. Nothing beats the screen uniformity of plasma, but then again for an LCD, this is more than just good enough.

For eye-strain just avoid Dynamic, eto talaga, this is where I love my Panny PY800 kahit naka Dynamic it's still very watchable.

One Tip sa Demo:

Take your time, and ako what I do is watch my first choice of T.V for 5 mins. Then I'd go out of the shop walk around, for like 10 mins or so...Then go back and look at the second choice, watch it again for 5 mins. Before, I ask them to put the units side by side.

This is just to remove any preconceived notion you have about a particular brand.

Hope this helps.

POST UPDATE: Both units are very good like I said, cguro it will now boil down to the actual lighting condition of your room. Of Course sa brightly lit area/s - LCD, pag medyo dim naman Plasma.

My A650 is located sa game room kaya it's bright there, while my PY800 is in my bedroom and that room of mine is simply dark. So I get the best out of them everytime.

espi · « **Reply #82 on:** Mar 04, 2009 at 09:08 AM »

how i wish i have the same setup... 42py800 and 40a650...

but the series 6 are beginning to sell like hotcakes! so hard to find the past few days! stockouts on the 40 incher!

...i have decided to get a 46a650 na lang...

care to share the best video settings for the sammy a650?

jojitv · « **Reply #83 on:** Mar 04, 2009 at 02:35 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Mar 04, 2009 at 09:08 AM

how i wish i have the same setup... 42py800 and 40a650...

but the series 6 are beginning to sell like hotcakes! so hard to find the past few days! stockouts on the 40 incher!

...i have decided to get a 46a650 na lang...

care to share the best video settings for the sammy a650?

Wow, congrats sir Pol. I'm also eying the 40A650 but it's still too expensive.

espi · « **Reply #84 on:** Mar 04, 2009 at 06:50 PM »

haha! thanks sir. can't wait to set it up. it was delivered last monday but i have to make a brace on the wall to have it mounted.

it's still there in my room, boxed. i just purchased a t5 warmlight bulb as backlight and mouldings for the wiring. maybe i can have it all done by the weekend.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #85 on:** Mar 04, 2009 at 11:50 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Mar 04, 2009 at 06:50 PM

haha! thanks sir. can't wait to set it up. it was delivered last monday but i have to make a brace on the wall to have it mounted.

it's still there in my room, boxed. i just purchased a t5 warmlight bulb as backlight and mouldings for the wiring. maybe i can have it all done by the weekend.

Cool! I thought you were set on a PY800=) Anyway, it's a great LCD - Enjoy!

espi · « **Reply #86 on:** Mar 05, 2009 at 05:15 PM »

i thought so too, then again, i took your advice on getting an LCD (series 6) since i already have a pv8 plasma! best of both worlds! (sort of) hehehe.

plus its a 46 incher, so why say no?

care to share your settings mr. carlo?

Carlo777 · « **Reply #87 on:** Mar 05, 2009 at 10:41 PM »

Quote from: Pol on Mar 05, 2009 at 05:15 PM

i thought so too, then again, i took your advice on getting an LCD (series 6) since i already have a pv8 plasma! best of both worlds! (sort of) hehehe.

plus its a 46 incher, so why say no?

care to share your settings mr. carlo?

Best of both worlds na din yan sir, the PV8 is very good unit (price to performance). Now your plasma is partnered with a heavy hitting LCD performer like the A650=) Anyway, about the setting naka default pa ako no calibration yet^

anchit · « **Reply #88 on:** Mar 06, 2009 at 10:44 AM »

hi carlo, i saw my boss' 46650 last night, when it was delivered. Talga bang nagmumukhang tv series/sitcom ang galaw at kulay? parang embossed yung tao at may back draft lang na fake? o ako lang yun?

thanks!

barrister · « **Reply #89 on:** Mar 06, 2009 at 11:07 AM »

Motion flow yan, yung sinasabi namin na parang Handycam ang porma ng video:

Quote from: Carlo777 on Jan 28, 2009 at 02:50 PM

Note: I don't really like these funky motion flow features because, like I said on my PY800 impressions - they tend to make the motion so smooth that they give you a somewhat handy cam look.

Quote from: barrister on Jan 19, 2009 at 01:23 AM

Judder is reduced by motion interpolation, a techniqe that repeats the video frames to produce 120 fps for NTSC and 100 fps for PAL. Hence, the specs "120 Hz" and "100 Hz". Motion will be smoother, but the side-effect is an unnatural look, similar to a home video shot on a Handycam. Despite the unnatural look, many customers seem to like it.

Some people don't like to see judder on panning shots. But on film, judder on panning shots is part of the video. If it's true 24 frames per second, there will be judder, but it's going to be the "good judder", the kind that makes film look like film rather than a videotaped telenovela.

Depende yan sa source ng content. If the source was shot on NTSC video, motion flow might look smooth and natural. But if the source is 24 fps film, motion will look weird.

OK lang, since the user has a choice. Turn it off for movies; leave it on for a video documentary.

Based on your comments, you seem to be cursed with a good eye for video, since you noticed the flaws immediately. Malas mo lang, baka pang-plasma lang ang iyong mga mata...