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better/best XLR balanced cable?
« on: May 06, 2009 at 02:01 AM »
This is regarding XLR cables...

i was wonderring if any of you would have an idea on what brand and where to get the best possible XLR cables for stereo setup. I know for a fact that cables are also a big part of the chain so i dont want to sacrifice on the separation, depth and imaging of the whole stereo presentation. I have already noticed diff. in sound on different RCA's so now i would just like some inputs on which and where to go. possibly neutral to warm side of things... for connections i might be going to amphenol brand but if you have also other sugestions, pls. do so...

this will be used for connection of processor to amps.

and if ever mga sirs, only 100-300 pesos land sana per meter...

thanks you.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009 at 08:12 AM »
will monitor this thread as well. interested din ako since my poweramp has xlr.

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009 at 08:20 AM »
visit any "audiophile" outlet and look for the top of the line KLOTZ wire. use original neutrik terminations. sila na din ang gagawa ng wire for you.

ive had mine made at the festival mall alabang branch of "audiophile"

mine were 2 runs of 6meter wires for only 2.5T.

to get the most benefit out of xlrs, it is a must that both your amp and preamp has "true" xlr provisions. some gears offer only "pseudo" xlr terminals which do not have any benefit at all over the RCAs.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009 at 08:33 AM »
sir, how would you rate there SQ capabilities as compared to those proven RCA's?
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009 at 08:42 AM »
sir, how would you rate there SQ capabilities as compared to those proven RCA's?

i made use of my first xlr 2yrs ago from preamp to power amp. never made use of any RCA since then. ive settled for the klotz/neutrik cable up to present.

audible benefits:
-output gain
-better resolution/definition
-quieter/blacker background
-mids more open, highs are smoother.

this is using my 1st xlr pair made with swan/neutrik. replacing it with my current klotz/neutrik made it even better :)

btw, ive been using audioquest rca cables prior trying xlrs.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009 at 09:02 AM »
sir ric999 mag add lang din ako ng question sa thread mo ha:

may improvement ba kapag:

- tube preamp rca to poweramp xlr connection?

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009 at 01:34 PM »
sir ric999 mag add lang din ako ng question sa thread mo ha:

may improvement ba kapag:

- tube preamp rca to poweramp xlr connection?

dont bother using xlr if BOTH ends do not employ "true" balanced terminals. take note that not all xlr terminals employ a balanced ckt design internally. some are just there for the heck of having it..they call these terminals as "pseudo" xlr terminals.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009 at 01:54 PM »
thanks for the info sir!

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009 at 02:11 PM »
sir ric999 mag add lang din ako ng question sa thread mo ha:

may improvement ba kapag:

- tube preamp rca to poweramp xlr connection?

having true balanced connection will get +3 -> +6 db gain... in my experienced...  ;D
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009 at 02:14 PM »
having true balanced connection will get +3 -> +6 db gain... in my experienced...  ;D

i agree bro...as if 2 notches up ang volume knob.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009 at 05:00 PM »
pero how are they in terms of sonic presentation sirs? sa RCA's, they affect the warmness, tightness of bass or even extension on the highs, they sometimes even affect the width and separation... would this also have the same effect on the XLR cables?
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009 at 05:29 PM »
refer to 5th thread bro.
just like rcas, diffrent xlrs would sound different from each other as well.
for sure though, the audible improvements ive enumerated above is not due to cable brand since every xlr ive tried would have the same notch over any good rca cable u may think of.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009 at 05:35 PM »
@ accastil

sir tatanong ko na ring po ung sa neutrik na connections, nakasubok na rin po ba kayo nung amphenol na connections?

if ever how would you rate the neutrik?
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009 at 05:52 PM »
@ accastil

sir tatanong ko na ring po ung sa neutrik na connections, nakasubok na rin po ba kayo nung amphenol na connections?

if ever how would you rate the neutrik?
sorry bro, every wire/cable i have in the system as well as the others ive auditioned were all factory terminated. hence, i really cannot help you on the ? regarding plugs. it is only my cable run from the preamp to the amp that uses xlr, the only run that's been custom made since i find factory terminated xlrs to be very expensive for my cause. luckily, its gotten me satisfied already that i havent felt the need to buy factory terminated xlrs to replace my klotz/neutrik custom made pair. ive tried 3 custom made xlrs. the other two also has neutrik plugs while using swan and transparent cable runs.

imo, the plugs wouldnt be as significant as the cable run youll be using. whether amphenol or neutrik, i think that would do for as long as the cable run would be good for your ear...and pocket. :)

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009 at 06:34 PM »
heare's  a sample of self terminated  60 cm. XLR cable, using neutrik plugs and straightwire rhapsody cable :



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the difference is like " Day & Night " compared to RCA connections...  :D
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2009 at 11:18 PM »
hmmm... mukhang neutrik vs amphenol ha... pero so far sa mga responses neutrik yata ang better...
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2009 at 12:13 PM »
hmmm... mukhang neutrik vs amphenol ha... pero so far sa mga responses neutrik yata ang better...

neutrik has silver plated contacts and amphenol is gold plated as per site's specs...   ::)  ;D
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2009 at 06:28 PM »
Try using silver solder cables terminated with XLR. Im planning to do this for RCA, got the idea from someone who was in Audio Amp when I was. He brought in his CD17 to b Mundorfed, as well as an XLR cable and some plugs. I forgot his name but I think he posts here or in WS.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2009 at 07:14 PM »
imo, the plugs wouldnt be as significant as the cable run youll be using. whether amphenol or neutrik, i think that would do for as long as the cable run would be good for your ear...and pocket.

I agreed with on this! It is the cable/wire that matters most!
 Just my two cents.....

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2009 at 02:40 PM »

imo, the plugs wouldnt be as significant as the cable run youll be using. whether amphenol or neutrik, i think that would do for as long as the cable run would be good for your ear...and pocket. :)



Actually plugs plays an important rule on the connections, amphenol and Neutrik are good examples they are not so expensive but gives you reliable connections.
Interconnects are passive components, they won't enhanced sound quality. However, you need a good medium to transport your signals from your source to your amplifier or whatever.
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2009 at 08:51 PM »
imo, the plugs wouldnt be as significant as the cable run youll be using. whether amphenol or neutrik, i think that would do for as long as the cable run would be good for your ear...and pocket.

I agreed with on this! It is the cable/wire that matters most!
 Just my two cents.....

Cheers!

this has to be qualified first. if the plugs are around the same price range, I'd agree that it does not matter. Considerations will then be how long they last before they oxidize or loosen (ergo feedback would be most helpful). BUT, they'd matter if you compare a cheapo plug with a quality plug, the latter not necessarily being expensive.

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2009 at 09:38 PM »
this has to be qualified first. if the plugs are around the same price range, I'd agree that it does not matter. Considerations will then be how long they last before they oxidize or loosen (ergo feedback would be most helpful). BUT, they'd matter if you compare a cheapo plug with a quality plug, the latter not necessarily being expensive.

IMHO, plugs and wires have to be treated equal...  ::)  ::)  ::)  Both conducts electrical signals between components andif any of the two has poor conductivity, you created a bottle neck of signal transmission that will affect or degrade the AQ....  ::)
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2009 at 03:10 PM »
IMHO, plugs and wires have to be treated equal...  ::)  ::)  ::)  Both conducts electrical signals between components andif any of the two has poor conductivity, you created a bottle neck of signal transmission that will affect or degrade the AQ....  ::)

Yeah, I remember Noel telling us (me and hte guy with the CD-17T) that he has to pay attention to what plug he uses. There won't necessarily be a "signature sound" as far as he's observed, so it's not necessarily a matter of synergy, BUT plug quality will affect the sound. He said he had someone before terminate the solder wire with (I think) Eichmann RCAs, then liked the result so much he got more solder, this time terminated with (if I remember right) the entry-level Neutrik RCAs. Sound was ocnsiderably different. As per my own experience with these neutriks, although I have not A-B'd them (nor do I plan to), the problem is that after a few months I already see some of of the outer plating off, and by that time it was a little loose, both in my car and in my home system.

This is only the entry level though, in fact I'm ordering the top RCA plug of Neutrik when I order round, 1" ribbon tweets from partsexpress. A friend had no issues with them though, so the thing is maybe its just too vulnerable to moisture. my set up was near a window, and ditto for the car's trunk given the movement. His set-up's nowhere near the windows and is 3.5m or so from the A/C.

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2009 at 11:27 PM »
@ProtegeManiac, sir, are you using XLR on you car sound system? so are you using a pro gear as a processor or xover like DBX or Behringer?
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #24 on: Oct 03, 2009 at 04:57 PM »
hi, up ko lang po itong tread ko.

tatanong lang po if Klotz would be the best balanced cable available para saten dito? are there other brands i can consider?

ano ano po kaya ang mga available saten? and san sila matatagpuan?

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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #25 on: Oct 05, 2009 at 12:23 PM »
hi, up ko lang po itong tread ko.

tatanong lang po if Klotz would be the best balanced cable available para saten dito? are there other brands i can consider?

ano ano po kaya ang mga available saten? and san sila matatagpuan?

thanks po.

you have other options but mostly are pre-terminated ones. mejo mahal sila sir, and they can be found in any specialty audio shops.
for custom made pairs, klotz ang pinaka maganda at least for me. ive tried also a custom made transparent cable kaya lang it sounds lifeless to me.
the klotz brand made the sound more alive.
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« Reply #26 on: Oct 05, 2009 at 01:36 PM »
maraming salamat sir. :)
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #27 on: Oct 07, 2009 at 06:26 PM »
@ProtegeManiac, sir, are you using XLR on you car sound system? so are you using a pro gear as a processor or xover like DBX or Behringer?
Sorry, jsut saw your question today. Still use RCA in my car, in my post I was referring to my experience and anecdotal info on plugs, in clarifying an earlier post on the effect of plugs. My processor with time alignment and active wide bandwidth crossovers are built into the CD receiver. If I'll end up with an external processor, it's in a car where changing the CD receiver is hopeless, or digital transmission to the processor is possible. Right now the new Alpines can use the latest affordable processor by sending the data via AiNet, the same protocol used by their CD changers.

BUT, I know one set-up using home audio gear after the CD player. A full size console processor in a RAV4 feeding DIY Class D amps. But since Im too lazy to run to the trunk to tweak a setting, and to spend on high output dc-ac inverters, I wont be trying that anytime soon  :D

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« Reply #28 on: Oct 10, 2009 at 02:29 AM »
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Re: better/best XLR balanced cable?
« Reply #29 on: Oct 10, 2009 at 10:41 AM »
Yep. Didn't recognize your handle at the time so I wasn't aware you're also registered in KAC  :D

Problema lang last time mas narinig ko pa yun busina niya kesa sa system, yun ang pinagtripan ng mga tao e  ;D