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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #60 on: Jun 29, 2009 at 08:53 AM »
Bro imo the display is the signal fr source, any signal fr video source is upscaled automatically b d tv to its native reso.

thanks bro!

had the matrix and lotr trilogies last weekend and the PQ was awsome!

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #61 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 02:11 PM »
I haven't seen a direct comparison of this 42C10 to the X10 series. P15T kasi ang difference. I am thinking if sulit yung value added features ng X10 to this one.  Will just view SD DVD, SkyCable Digibox (notHD) and egreat movies, not so much Xbox/PS3 gaming. For this purpose same lang C10 and X10?
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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #62 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 03:39 PM »
Sabi sa avforums (UK) parehong-pareho lang daw, except for very minor differences such as eco mode, surround-sound simulation, side HDMI input, and PC input. 

Ang pinagtatalunan talaga nila yung anti-reflective coating lang, na meron daw sa X10, pero wala sa C10.

Sabi ni sir Carlo777, kahit may anti-reflective coating ang X10, reflective pa rin, so no big deal naman ang issue.

Sa akin naman, mas reflective talaga ang C10, pero duda ako kung talaga ngang walang AR sa C10.  Sa tingin ko, may AR din ang C10, pero yung old version lang.  Mas bagong version yung AR ng X10 kaya mas nabawasan ang reflections. 

But it's hard to confirm, since Panasonic does not publish clear AR differences in their specs.

Baka nga mas maganda pa ang AR ng C10, kasi pag nasobrahan sa AR, nagkakaroon ng epekto sa picture.

Parang LCD ng laptop monitor.  Yung mga BrightView (glossy) mas malinaw ang picture; yung mga ordinary screens mas malabo.  Yung mga high-end Samsung LCD TVs, mas malinaw yung mga glossy screens sa mga regular non-reflective screens. 

However, others say it's just a matter of personal preference.

Popular Mechanics on gloss vs matte LCD monitors:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4213062.html

« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:05 PM by barrister »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #63 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:29 PM »
Sabi sa avforums (UK) parehong-pareho lang daw, except for very minor differences such as eco mode, surround-sound simulation, side HDMI input, and PC input. 

Ang pinagtatalunan talaga nila yung anti-reflective coating lang, na meron daw sa X10, pero wala sa C10.

Sabi ni sir Carlo777, kahit may anti-reflective coating ang X10, reflective pa rin, so no big deal naman ang issue.

Sa akin naman, mas reflective talaga ang C10, pero duda ako kung talaga ngang walang AR sa C10.  Sa tingin ko, may AR din ang C10, pero yung old version lang.  Mas bagong version yung AR ng X10 kaya mas nabawasan ang reflections. 

But it's hard to confirm, since Panasonic does not publish clear AR differences in their specs.

Baka nga mas maganda pa ang AR ng C10, kasi pag nasobrahan sa AR, nagkakaroon ng epekto sa picture.

Parang LCD ng laptop monitor.  Yung mga BrightView (glossy) mas malinaw ang picture; yung mga ordinary screens mas malabo.  Yung mga high-end Samsung LCD TVs, mas malinaw yung mga glossy screens sa mga regular non-reflective screens. 

However, others say it's just a matter of personal preference.

Popular Mechanics on gloss vs matte LCD monitors:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4213062.html



I agree sir, that it's really a matter of personal preference. Question lang about the "cross pattern" that is supposed to be a result of an anti-reflective coating. With or without it, I can't really distinguish the "level" of anti-reflection, for me they look very similar. Would we say that it was not really effective? Maybe, if I could see a plasma, an older plasma, that does not have this "coating" baka mas grabe yung reflection and we may appreciate this feature better.

Kamusta naman yung level of reflection ng plasma nila?

Thank you for the time.
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:35 PM by Carlo777 »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #64 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:36 PM »
Hello,

I'm interested in the 42PV80 but since wala na ata stock, baka yung 42C10 nalang. If ever I purchase this, it will be used for HD/DVD and cable viewing only. I have a Samsung 40A650 LCD. I'm just wondering how this will compete with the Samsung 40A650?

Hello Boss Vic and Boss Jeff,

Can you send pricelist for the 40 inches and above for Plasma TVs?

Thanks!

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #65 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:40 PM »
Hello,

I'm interested in the 42PV80 but since wala na ata stock, baka yung 42C10 nalang. If ever I purchase this, it will be used for HD/DVD and cable viewing only. I have a Samsung 40A650 LCD. I'm just wondering how this will compete with the Samsung 40A650?

Hello Boss Vic and Boss Jeff,

Can you send pricelist for the 40 inches and above for Plasma TVs?

Thanks!

Boss  M@v3r1ck,

I don't have a C10, but do have a 40A650 and a PV80/800. I made a comparison between the PY800 and the A650, I'll look for the link and post it here, for reference lang.

POST UPDATE:

Here it is:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=89925.30
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:42 PM by Carlo777 »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #66 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:45 PM »
thanks sa inputs mga gurus! Sige mukhang sa C10 nalang ako if the PQ is basically the same! sayang din ang additional P15T, I usually watch in the dark naman so not a major issue ang new AR coating ng X10.

  
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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #67 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 04:52 PM »
thanks sa inputs mga gurus! Sige mukhang sa C10 nalang ako if the PQ is basically the same! sayang din ang additional P15T, I usually watch in the dark naman so not a major issue ang new AR coating ng X10.

  

Nice choice boss! Maganda naman yung C10 and for the 15k na saving, you can buy more for that^. We watch our plasma models (S10/PY800) in dimly lit rooms, and it was no longer an issue. Well reflection naman has never been a problem for me ;)

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #68 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:04 PM »
Boss  M@v3r1ck,

I don't have a C10, but do have a 40A650 and a PV80/800. I made a comparison between the PY800 and the A650, I'll look for the link and post it here, for reference lang.

POST UPDATE:

Here it is:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=89925.30

Thanks Master Carlo! hahaha. Bilis sumagot. I 'm also thinking about the 50C10. But I believe that it's only HD Ready (1024x768) and I heard that you can only see the difference of HD Ready and Full HD if the screen is beyond 40 inches. Is this true? Or Maganda pa din ang quality kahit HD ready lang kapag 50 inches? Thanks in advance!=)

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #69 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:11 PM »
Thanks Master Carlo! hahaha. Bilis sumagot. I 'm also thinking about the 50C10. But I believe that it's only HD Ready (1024x768) and I heard that you can only see the difference of HD Ready and Full HD if the screen is beyond 40 inches. Is this true? Or Maganda pa din ang quality kahit HD ready lang kapag 50 inches? Thanks in advance!=)

I don't have a 50 inch T.V, but eto lang masasabi ko when I saw the 50PV80 for the first time. I said "WOW", and that comes from someone who already owns 2 very good 40 inch FULL HD models. Iba ang dating ng 50 inches sir! Baka nga mag 50 na din ako :D :D :D
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:54 PM by Carlo777 »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #70 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:27 PM »
Question lang about the "cross pattern" that is supposed to be a result of an anti-reflective coating. With or without it, I can't really distinguish the "level" of anti-reflection, for me they look very similar. Would we say that it was not really effective?

When comparing reflectivity, look at the sharpness and brightness of the reflected image.

Yes, I think they're not very effective.  Reflectivity reduction is very slight, yet side-effects are visible.  

On the PV8, users usually see the cross-hatch pattern only when the TV is off.  But I've read one foreign forum post saying that he sometimes sees cross-hatch patterns while the TV is on, but only during very dark scenes.  



Kamusta naman yung level of reflection ng plasma nila?

My 2006 EDTV is very reflective.

In fact, the reflections are so bad that I initially thought there was no anti reflective coating at all.

But I suspected there was a small amount of AR because I noticed that the ambient reflections on the wall clock hanging above my TV was much worse.  On the wall clock, reflections are very sharp; on the TV, reflections are more diffuse and blurred.

I confirmed the presence of AR when I googled for additional descriptions.  For example, the following linked page says, "Features: Video noise reduction, Q-link, anti-reflection coating, Real MACH system, Real Black Drive System ".
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plasma-tv/panasonic-th-42pa60/

The good part is that my screen has absolutely no cross-hatch patterns.



Iba ang dating ng 50 inches sir! Baka nga mag 50 na din ako :D :D :D

Bosing, I'm now seriously considering a 50C10.  ;)

« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:43 PM by barrister »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #71 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:47 PM »
When comparing reflectivity, look at the sharpness and brightness of the reflected image.

Yes, I think they're not very effective.  Reflectivity reduction is very slight, yet side-effects are visible.  

On the PV8, users usually see the cross-hatch pattern only when the TV is off.  But I've read one foreign forum post saying that he sometimes sees cross-hatch patterns while the TV is on, but only during very dark scenes.  



My 2006 EDTV is very reflective.

In fact, the reflections are so bad that I initially thought there was no anti reflective coating at all.

But I suspected there was a small amount of AR because I noticed that the ambient reflections on the wall clock hanging above my TV was much worse.  On the wall clock, reflections are very sharp; on the TV, reflections are more diffuse and blurred.

I confirmed the presence of AR when I googled for additional descriptions.  For example, the following linked page says, "Features: Video noise reduction, Q-link, anti-reflection coating, Real MACH system, Real Black Drive System ".
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plasma-tv/panasonic-th-42pa60/

The good part is that my screen has absolutely no cross-hatch patterns.



Bosing, I'm now seriously considering a 50C10;)



 :D Iba ang impact nya talaga sir!

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #72 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:56 PM »
mga sir malaki po ba lamang ng c10 sa pv80? kasi merong available na 50pv80 sa sm 18mos zero interest php90,900. magandang deal na po ba to? kasi yung 50c10 php97,080 kaso 12mos to pay lang. pls help. tnx

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #73 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:01 PM »
mga sir malaki po ba lamang ng c10 sa pv80? kasi merong available na 50pv80 sa sm 18mos zero interest php90,900. magandang deal na po ba to? kasi yung 50c10 php97,080 kaso 12mos to pay lang. pls help. tnx

Nope bossing, the difference is not miles apart and you could try our sellers here namely Theatreworks or Sights and Sounds. Send a pm to Nemesis or e-reply they could give you reasonable prices.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #74 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:06 PM »
Nope bossing, the difference is not miles apart and you could try our sellers here namely Theatreworks or Sights and Sounds. Send a pm to Nemesis or e-reply they could give you reasonable prices.


tnx sir. di na po kasi available sa kanila yung pv80 puro c10 na lang po available. mahal po ba sa php90,900 yung 50pv80? medyo natutukso na po ako kasi 18mos to pay.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #75 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:21 PM »

tnx sir. di na po kasi available sa kanila yung pv80 puro c10 na lang po available. mahal po ba sa php90,900 yung 50pv80? medyo natutukso na po ako kasi 18mos to pay.

Not sure about the price sir, maybe others who got a 50PV80 could answer your question.


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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #76 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:23 PM »
tnx sir.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #77 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:52 PM »
I haven't seen a direct comparison of this 42C10 to the X10 series. P15T kasi ang difference. I am thinking if sulit yung value added features ng X10 to this one.  Will just view SD DVD, SkyCable Digibox (notHD) and egreat movies, not so much Xbox/PS3 gaming. For this purpose same lang C10 and X10?

we are in the same boat my friend. been looking for comparison on these 2 online and all i see are the foreign sites.
panasonic malaysia has been updated. maybe our local c10 specs is same.
all the while i thought c10 has no pc input meron pala sya. have not look around in TW and SnS yet.
what is intriguing is that c10 and x10 has no AR filter. S10 yung meron

Siguro C10 na lang for my needs.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #78 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:58 PM »
Was at TheaterWorks trinoma earlier and checked out the C10 and the X10. Sayang, they weren't side-by-side and playing the same content. Was supposed to get a 42LZ80 but sold out na as of yesterday afternoon. So in the same boat din ako if I should settle for a 42C10 na lang. BTW, the C10 is more reflective than the 42PV80 when i saw them at Avant. But that's no problem for me.  ;)

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #79 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 08:37 PM »
For price reference, here are the prices of Panasonic available:
50c10 at cash P85K
42X10 at cash P52K
42PV80 at cash P45K
42C10 at cash P43K
42LZ80 at cash P48K


All above models are available at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangrila Plaza.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #80 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 09:28 PM »
Hello People,

If you were to choose between 42c10 and 42PV80, what will you choose?

Thanks! :)

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #81 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 10:32 PM »
Good prices e-reply!  Maverick same boat tayo hehe, but remembering Carlo's observations, there is improvement with the newer C/X10 models.  Mas reflective lang a bit. 

The only way is to go to the store who has those 2 models, test them side by side and purchase the one you want after your testing.  Hmmm as for me kung P9,000 nalang pala difference ng X10 to C10, option ko na din yung X10.  Will just see for myself if there is a difference that would warrant the P9T difference.
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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #82 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 11:22 PM »
HI mga gurus, just bought a 42PV8H last night but I didnt open it yet (hanap pa ng lcd rack) any reviews on this model?

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #83 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 11:27 PM »
I believe you bought the previous 2008 model, sana mura mo nakuha because the newer C/X10 prices just lowered as well.

Reviews here:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=80875.0
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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #84 on: Jul 03, 2009 at 07:00 AM »

i have a 42pc10.  the unit has wonderful PQ and color.  ;)  but i do have to say that if you generally watch with lights on, the unit is definitely reflective.  i watch with the lights off so it isn't a factor for me  ;) one solution would be to diffuse any light source that might hit the unit directly...  like the cove light i had made for my previous room...



« Last Edit: Jul 03, 2009 at 07:07 AM by Invinciible »
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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #85 on: Jul 03, 2009 at 04:11 PM »
ano ba talaga mas ok 50pv80 or 50c10? pls help....

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #86 on: Jul 03, 2009 at 05:06 PM »
ano ba talaga mas ok 50pv80 or 50c10? pls help....

Almost the same sila in-terms of picture quality, a very slight edge goes to the C10. The PV80 however, has 3 HDMI inputs compared to just dual inputs for the C10.

It would now depend on your budget, that said, you can't go wrong with either one.

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #87 on: Jul 03, 2009 at 11:09 PM »
just got a 50c10 from TW trinoma, ganda ng piq quality sulit! Thanks sir Carlo for the feedback on this unit.
Question lang po, kelangan pa po ba ulit i burn in to? Kindly share your setting for egreat movies pls. tnx!!!

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #88 on: Jul 04, 2009 at 12:54 AM »
just got a 50c10 from TW trinoma, ganda ng piq quality sulit! Thanks sir Carlo for the feedback on this unit.
Question lang po, kelangan pa po ba ulit i burn in to? Kindly share your setting for egreat movies pls. tnx!!!

Just to be safe, please do a break-in of the unit for the 1st 100 hours, you won't loose anything if you do. Just keep all your settings at the half mark.

Happy viewing!
« Last Edit: Jul 04, 2009 at 01:07 AM by Carlo777 »

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Re: PANASONIC C-Series (42C10) Impressions
« Reply #89 on: Jul 04, 2009 at 11:29 AM »
just got a 50c10 from TW trinoma, ganda ng piq quality sulit! Thanks sir Carlo for the feedback on this unit.
Question lang po, kelangan pa po ba ulit i burn in to? Kindly share your setting for egreat movies pls. tnx!!!

Magkano ang 50C10?