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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #840 on: Mar 18, 2010 at 06:10 PM »
The cynical bastard in me thinks, "tax breaks".

I knew someone would say that.  :D

First compute how much tax deduction you'll get.  Then compare that with the amount you donated.

The tax deduction would be so small that it would make more financial sense if you didn't give any amount to charity at all.

 

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #841 on: Mar 19, 2010 at 06:47 AM »
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homosexuality: moral or ethics???

Again, read up on morality and ethics so you'll understand. Unfortunately, as some people here have already suspected, it looks like you're not really keen to listen.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #842 on: Mar 19, 2010 at 06:50 AM »
It seems that atheism is such an ugly word here in the Philippines, as ugly, in fact, as homosexuality -- which are both personal convictions.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #843 on: Mar 28, 2010 at 02:37 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but the recent child abuse sex scandals in Europe involving the Catholic Church is kind of getting scant coverage with the the local media. Hmmmmm.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #844 on: Mar 28, 2010 at 01:29 PM »
Klaus, it is getting a lot of coverage here in Australia. I watch "Bandila" and read the online versions of PDI and ANC--very very scant coverage indeed.

The Catholic Church's evil claws are around the throat of Philippine media it seems.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #845 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 07:25 PM »
Just like to share A VERY  INTERESTING  CONVERSATION

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
with GOD, the ALMIGHTY.  He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .
 
Professor :   You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student    :   Yes, sir.
Professor :    So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student    :   Absolutely, sir.
Professor :    Is GOD Good ?
Student    :    Sure.
Professor :    Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student    :    Yes.
Professor :    My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to  GOD to Heal him.
                  Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
                  But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent )

Professor :   You can't answer, can you ?  Let's start again, Young Fella.
                Is GOD Good?
Student    :   Yes.
Professor :   Is Satan good ?
Student    :   No.
Professor :   Where does Satan come from ?
Student    :   From . . . GOD . .. .
Professor :   That's right.  Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student    :   Yes.
Professor :    Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student    :   Yes.
Professor :   So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)

Professor :   Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
                 All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student    :  Yes, sir.
Professor :   So, who Created them ?
(Student had no answer)

Professor :  Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you..
                Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student    :  No, sir.
Professor   :  Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student    :  No , sir.
Professor :   Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
             Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student    :   No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor :   Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student    :  Yes.
Professor :   According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
                Science says your GOD doesn't exist.  What do you say to that, son?
Student    :  Nothing..  I only have my Faith.
Professor :  Yes,Faith.  And that is the Problem Science has.

Student    :   Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor :   Yes.
Student    :   And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor :   Yes.
Student   :   No, sir. There isn't.
(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student    :   Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
                 a Little Heat or No Heat.
                 But we don't have anything called Cold.
                 We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.
                 There is no such thing as Cold.
                 Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
                 We cannot Measure Cold.
                 Heat is Energy.
                 Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student    :  What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor :  Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student    :  You're wrong again, sir.
                 Darkness is the Absence of Something
                 You can have Low Light,   Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
                 But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it?
                 In reality, Darkness isn't.
                 If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor :   So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student   :   Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor :   Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student    :   Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
                 You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
                 You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.
                 Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
                        It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
                 To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
                 Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.   
                 Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
                 Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor :   If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student    :   Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student    :   Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
                 Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
                 Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
                 Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
(The Class was in Uproar )

Student    :  Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?
(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student    :  Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
                No one appears to have done so.   
                So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
               Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
                With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?
(The Room was Silent.. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor :   I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student    :  That is it sir . . .  Exactly !
                The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
                That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

NB:

That student was Albert Einstein.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #846 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 07:43 PM »
albert einstein wasn't christian. he was jewish

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #847 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 07:49 PM »
For the purpose of that story, they had to convert Einstein to Christianity. :)

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #848 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 08:07 PM »
albert einstein wasn't christian. he was jewish

He is a Christian in his faith - he is Jewish in his descendancy!  ;)

He is a true atheist ... but that is before ... until he acknowledged the end point of believing in the big bang theory ... that there is God! ... and Science's established rule will compel you to that recognition!

Only theories ... not established facts ... makes atheists!  ;D
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #849 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 08:17 PM »
You sure about this? I've read somewhere that Einstein abhorred the concept of organized religion. He is at most a Deist who believed in the concept of God. But the God he believed in is based on Spinoza's concept, that is the universe is God.

I'll research more in a while if I have the time.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #850 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 08:26 PM »
Just like to share A VERY  INTERESTING  CONVERSATION

That student was Albert Einstein.
Yes, that's a very interesting joke that's been making the rounds since... I can't remember. Early versions didn't name the student, apparently now it's in fashion to drop Einstein's name. See snopes.com.

But here's a version that happens with a Muslim student and uses Dr. Zakir Naik in place of Einstein.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #851 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 09:10 PM »
Urban legend.  

Sa writing style pa lang, halata na. 



Yes, that's a very interesting joke that's been making the rounds since... I can't remember. Early versions didn't name the student, apparently now it's in fashion to drop Einstein's name. See snopes.com.

Snopes is one of my favorite sites.  

That's what I like about atheists.  Those guys are very credible debunkers.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #852 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 09:43 PM »
It makes me wonder, are all atheists skeptics? I mean, do they still believe in ghosts, the paranormal or the existence of aliens?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #853 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 09:47 PM »
one thing's for sure though, most of those who are Pro SSM are atheists, according to a very credible and knowledgeable source.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #854 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 09:55 PM »
It makes me wonder, are all atheists skeptics?
To be fair, there are atheists who unquestioningly don't believe in God; they aren't skeptical at all.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #855 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 09:59 PM »
It makes me wonder, are all atheists skeptics? I mean, do they still believe in ghosts, the paranormal or the existence of aliens?

I don't think all atheists are skeptics although a good number of atheists probably are due to their tendency to question things and their inquisitive nature to seek proof or evidence. Heck some atheists even have a lot more background knowledge about various religions than religious folks.

Other atheists just don't care about that stuff and are atheists simply by choice.

I personally don't believe in ghosts, superstitions and the paranormal/supernatural just as much as i don't believe in god/gods but I do believe in the possibility of alien life, sentient or not.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #856 on: Mar 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM »
It makes me wonder, are all atheists skeptics? I mean, do they still believe in ghosts, the paranormal or the existence of aliens?

You can't generalize them.  Some atheists believe in aliens, etc., some don't.

What I do notice is that atheists are natural skeptics.  




Skepdic (http://www.skepdic.com/) used to be my favorite debunker site, before I discovered Snopes.  Robert T. Carroll, founder of skepdic.com, is also an atheist, although he doesn't like being labeled as an atheist:

http://www.skepdic.com/essays/notanatheist.html




I'm a big fan of James Randi, a magician whose mission in life is to challenge paranormal claims and pseudoscience.  Randi is also an atheist.

Maybe you've some across my post about James Randi vs. the Pear Anjou speaker cables:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=45404.msg781077#msg781077



  
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #857 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 07:37 AM »
one thing's for sure though, most of those who are Pro SSM are atheists, according to a very credible and knowledgeable source.

its the other way around... most atheist are pro-SSm...


kahit sa thread na ito... makikita naman natin halos lahat sila pro-SSM...
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #858 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 07:42 AM »
Sino dito yung mga atheist? Mukhang siguradong sigurado ka kung sino sila.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #859 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 09:45 AM »
its the other way around... most atheist are pro-SSm...
That generalization is only your opinion...
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kahit sa thread na ito... makikita naman natin halos lahat sila pro-SSM...
...based solely on how you understand what you've read on this forum.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #860 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 09:54 AM »
He's so obviously thin-slicing his argument. Not surprising since there are also some people who've done the same.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #861 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM »
im just amazed... bakit merong so called christians pero kung mag-isip ay parang atheist/agnostics...
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #862 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM »
Amazing no? Parang magic :)

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #863 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM »
im just amazed... bakit merong so called christians pero kung mag-isip ay parang atheist/agnostics...

Same way na meron so called Christians pero kung mag-isip ay parang si Hitler.  Fair enough?


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #864 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:54 PM »
At mayron ding so-called Christians na hindi nag iisip.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #865 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM »
At mayron ding so-called Christians na hindi nag iisip.

yup... you are so right... :)
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #866 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 01:04 PM »
yup... you are so right... :)

Glad you agreed.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #867 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 01:13 PM »
Glad you agreed.

yup... maraming ganoong so called christian... di nag-iisip kung ano ba talaga ang tama o mali... kung ano sa tingin niya tama kahit mali ginagawa at sinusuportahan pa nila...

tsk tsk tsk ...
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #868 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 01:21 PM »
yup... maraming ganoong so called christian... di nag-iisip kung ano ba talaga ang tama o mali... kung ano sa tingin niya tama kahit mali ginagawa at sinusuportahan pa nila...

tsk tsk tsk ...

Yup, there are the self-righteous, insensitive and indifferent lot.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #869 on: Mar 30, 2010 at 02:15 PM »
di nag-iisip kung ano ba talaga ang tama o mali... kung ano sa tingin niya tama kahit mali ginagawa at sinusuportahan pa nila...
Paki-explain, paano daw nangyari yon.

Kunwari, sa tingin ko tama na hindi mag-simba tuwing Linggo, at hindi mag-kumpisal sa pari o mag-komunyon.

Kung sa tingin ko tama 'yon, paano yon naging mali?