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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #900 on: Mar 31, 2010 at 04:02 PM »
the difference between Mary Magdalene and homosexuals today : a repentant heart.

Jesus sees the woman's repentant heart... she admit that what she did was wrong...
Are you talking about John 7:53-8:11?

Nothing there says anything about Mary Magdalene.

Nothing there says anything about the woman repenting or admitting she was wrong.

Maybe you're pertaining to other verses, sir?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #901 on: Mar 31, 2010 at 04:13 PM »
Wag na po nating pahabain. Hindi ko maintindihan ang ipinupunto nyo, kaya kung maaari sana, pakipaliwanag kung ano ang mali sa sinabi ko.

your post (#873) run opposite to my post (#872)

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #902 on: Mar 31, 2010 at 04:21 PM »
your post (#873) run opposite to my post (#872)

Oo nga po. So, ano nga ang masama dun sa post ko?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #903 on: Mar 31, 2010 at 06:13 PM »
Are you talking about John 7:53-8:11?

Nothing there says anything about Mary Magdalene.

Nothing there says anything about the woman repenting or admitting she was wrong.

Maybe you're pertaining to other verses, sir?


And that's only half of the error.

The 2nd half is about the authenticity of John 7:53-8:11, traditionally referred to as the Pericope Adulterae.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7%3A53-8%3A11&version=NIV

The fact that the Pericope Adulterae does not appear on the earliest surviving Greek Gospel manuscripts has led to the majority view that those verses are a forgery, or an "interpolation" (text that was not written by the original author).
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #904 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 11:28 AM »
I believe that people are entitled to their opinion and I do agree that Atheism/Agnosticism may be on the rise.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #905 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 08:37 PM »
always saw it as people who hate being tied down by firm discipline
meager minds would simply dismiss having a religion because life is easier that way.
equating to plain laziness and selfishness

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #906 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 08:39 PM »
always saw it as people who hate being tied down by firm discipline
meager minds would simply dismiss having a religion because life is easier that way.
equating to plain laziness and selfishness

 meager minds you say? care to explain?
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #907 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 09:07 PM »
they want to live how they want.
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #908 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 09:38 PM »
sorry dpogs but i'm waiting for hexagram's reply
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #909 on: Apr 13, 2010 at 09:56 PM »
sorry dpogs but i'm waiting for hexagram's reply

im replying to Hexagram... not you.
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #910 on: Apr 14, 2010 at 05:33 AM »
im replying to Hexagram... not you.

i really hope so
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #911 on: Apr 14, 2010 at 07:52 AM »
O defense naman. O nag-iinit na ba ang ulo mo? Kala ko ba offense tayo?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #912 on: Apr 14, 2010 at 02:05 PM »
dude, it really appears as if you enjoy trolling.  ;)  i have asked you several times to go back to the topic but it seems as if you want to fan the flames. if that's what makes you happy then go ahead and do it.  8)
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #913 on: Apr 15, 2010 at 02:46 AM »
dude, it really appears as if you enjoy trolling.  ;)  i have asked you several times to go back to the topic but it seems as if you want to fan the flames. if that's what makes you happy then go ahead and do it.  8)

Just look at your own posts. This should be enough to contradict yourself.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #914 on: Apr 15, 2010 at 02:58 AM »
dude, it really appears as if you enjoy trolling.  ;)  i have asked you several times to go back to the topic but it seems as if you want to fan the flames. if that's what makes you happy then go ahead and do it.  8)

here is a sample on how you moejun wanted to fan the flames ..you know better than one who posted ?.. based on what ? your brain cells which can read minds, intentions and maturity level of others? ...you are the best entertainment for the week  ;D ;D ;D
i really hope so

and you moejun => totally self-contradicting too  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #915 on: Apr 15, 2010 at 05:36 AM »
here is a sample on how you moejun wanted to fan the flames ..you know better than one who posted ?.. based on what ? your brain cells which can read minds, intentions and maturity level of others? ...you are the best entertainment for the week  ;D ;D ;D
and you moejun => totally self-contradicting too  ;D ;D ;D

go ahead bassnut, but the way you look for things to throw at me is beginning to look pathetic. oh well, if that's what makes you happy. just mind your heart, ok?  ;)
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #916 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 09:54 AM »
I don't wanna start a thread just for this but I think related naman to this thread ;D. Pretty cool if true.

Here are some pics 8)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-discovered/




Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?



A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say wooden remains they have discovered on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey are the remains of Noah's Ark.

The group claims that carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old, meaning they date to around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Mt. Ararat has long been suspected as the final resting place of the craft by evangelicals and literalists hoping to validate biblical stories.

Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team that made the discovery, said: "It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it."

There have been several reported discoveries of the remains of Noah's Ark over the years, most notably a find by archaeologist Ron Wyatt in 1987. At the time, the Turkish government officially declared a national park around his find, a boat-shaped object stretched across the mountains of Ararat.

Nevertheless, the evangelical ministry remains convinced that the current find is in fact more likely to be the actual artifact, calling upon Dutch Ark researcher Gerrit Aalten to verify its legitimacy.

A team of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers believe that they have found the remains of the Biblical artifact, Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat.
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“The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noah’s Ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community,” Aalten said at a press conference announcing the find. Citing the many details that match historical accounts
of the Ark, he believes it to be a legitimate archaeological discovery.

“There’s a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah,” said Aalten.

Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.

During the press conference, team member Panda Lee described visiting the site. “In October 2008, I climbed the mountain with the Turkish team. At an elevation of more than 4,000 meters, I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about 8 inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails."

We walked about 100 meters to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 meters long. I surveyed the landscape and found that the wooden structure was permanently covered by ice and volcanic rocks."

Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.

The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was. He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.

After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain. Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #917 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 10:02 AM »
It's funny how Creationist Christians in this case trust carbon-dating the Ark but does not trust carbon-dating when it comes to dinosaur fossils.

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #918 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 10:32 AM »
akala ko nasa Russia ang remains ng boat...
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #919 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 10:36 AM »
dpogs,

Sa inyong paniniwala, asan ang remains?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #920 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 11:26 AM »
dpogs,

Sa inyong paniniwala, asan ang remains?

ikaw naman... masyadong palatanong...

yan ang "akala" ko.... kasi mga russian at turkish ang unang nakadiscover ...

pero ang nakasaad sa Bible (Gen.8:4) nasa Mt. Ararat... and therefore nasa Mt. Ararat...

nasaan ba ang Mt. Ararat???
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #921 on: Apr 28, 2010 at 11:30 AM »
Di ko kasi alam paniniwala mo e, kaya ko tinatanong. Kung alam ko ba, e, itatanong ko pa?

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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #922 on: Apr 30, 2010 at 06:23 PM »
I don't wanna start a thread just for this but I think related naman to this thread ;D. Pretty cool if true.

Here are some pics 8)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-discovered/




Has Noah's Ark Been Found on Turkish Mountaintop?



Noah's Ark always gets "found" every few years ...  :D  The Hong Kong group "Noah's Ark Ministries International" is only the latest.

Those conservative Christians feel they're not doing anything wrong if they perpetrate a hoax about finding Noah's Ark.  They figure it may be a little white lie, but it's a great recruiting tool that helps people believe in the Bible, so what's wrong with that?

Fox News?  That's not surprising.  Fox News is the same company that played up the "moon landing hoax" story and the "alien autopsy" story some years back.  




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Latest Noah's Ark 'just wood
planted on Ararat'

Archaeologists make astonishing claim
about alleged discovery of Bible boat
--------------------------------------------
Posted: April 28, 2010
9:30 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

... At least two seasoned archaeologists who have made numerous expeditions to Mount Ararat in search of Noah's Ark are throwing cold water on this week's claim the Old Testament vessel has finally been discovered, saying it's a hoax involving wood hauled in from the Black Sea region.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=146941



Ex-Colleague: Expedition
Faked Noah's Ark Find

Updated: 15 hours 37 minutes ago
Chanan Tigay

... In a leaked e-mail that had made the rounds on the Web, Price, a longtime ark-hunter who directs the Center for Judaic Studies at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., says that in the summer of 2008, a group of Kurdish laborers, hired by a local guide working with the Chinese expedition, removed several large wooden beams from an old structure near the Black Sea, then hauled them to a cave near the peak of Ararat, long thought by believers to have been the spot where Noah's Ark washed up.

Price says that those photos of the supposed ark include cobwebs in the corners of the structure's rafters, "something just not possible in these conditions."


http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/noahs-ark-found-insider-randall-price-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208




Is the latest Noah’s Ark discovery a fake?
Published On Thu Apr 29 2010
Cathal Kelly
Staff Reporter

Kurdish workers carted wood up Mt. Ararat in order to fake the discovery of Noah’s Ark, an archeologist who worked on the dig says.

... The bible specifies that the landing spot is “Urartu.” Over time Urartu became Ararat, a name that was given to the mountain long after the bible was written. So it’s not exactly clear where the bible’s authors meant. Thus, it’s slightly suspect that the ark should show up exactly where we want it to be.

... “I don’t know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,” archeologist Paul Zimansky recently told National Geographic.


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/802106--is-the-latest-noah-s-ark-discovery-a-fake




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« Reply #923 on: Apr 30, 2010 at 08:39 PM »
Fox News is the same company that played up the "moon landing hoax" story and the "alien autopsy" story some years back.
The Apollo landings were a hoax—it was all filmed in a sound stage on Mars.

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Re: OT: Moon landing hoax
« Reply #924 on: Apr 30, 2010 at 08:51 PM »
The Apollo landings were a hoax—it was all filmed in a sound stage on Mars.


 ;D  LOL - After I read a lot of footages, and saw public releases of NASA, I think the same ... we're somehow duped!

Who manufactured coke in the moon?
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #925 on: Apr 30, 2010 at 10:38 PM »
The Apollo landings were a hoax—it was all filmed in a sound stage on Mars.

Capricorn One?

We discussed that extensively in 2003: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=10572.0

I'm surprised we still have members who think we didn't land on the moon ...  ???

http://www.clavius.org/index.html



;D  LOL - After I read a lot of footages, and saw public releases of NASA, I think the same ... we're somehow duped!

Who manufactured coke in the moon?


;D  Laughing Out Louder

Sometimes people just believe what they want to believe, no matter what anyone else says.

http://www.clavius.org/bibcoke.html

http://www.clavius.org/cokebottle.html



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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #926 on: May 01, 2010 at 05:13 AM »
Mythbuster's episode about the Lunar Landing should be an interesting watch.


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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #927 on: May 01, 2010 at 10:04 AM »
That's Mythbusters Episode 104: NASA Moon Landing.

Results:


One of the NASA photos is fake because the shadows of the rocks and lunar lander are not parallel.
--- Busted

One of the NASA photos is fake because Neil Armstrong can be clearly seen while in the shadow of the lunar lander.
--- Busted

A flag cannot flap in a vacuum.
--- Busted

A clear footprint cannot be made in vacuum because there is no moisture to hold its shape.
--- Busted

The film of the astronauts moonwalking is actually film of the astronauts skipping in front of a high-framerate camera, slowing down the picture and giving the illusion they are on the Moon.
--- Busted

The Apollo astronauts left behind special equipment on the Moon like reflectors that scientists can bounce lasers off of.
--- Confirmed




http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/517cmK/mythbustersresults.com/episode-104-nasa-moon-landing



The topic may be OT, but I think it's a good way to illustrate how some beliefs, religious or secular, can continue to be so tenacious despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.



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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #928 on: May 01, 2010 at 03:47 PM »
Capricorn One?

We discussed that extensively in 2003: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=10572.0

I'm surprised we still have members who think we didn't land on the moon ...  ???

http://www.clavius.org/index.html




;D  Laughing Out Louder

Sometimes people just believe what they want to believe, no matter what anyone else says.

http://www.clavius.org/bibcoke.html

http://www.clavius.org/cokebottle.html






Again, a case of who believing what! depends on where you stand (which one convinced you)!

This is not a faith/belief policy to me ... perhaps an open-minded check on both sides is more prudent than outrightly believing whichever ... I still have an open mind though, so it is not a close story to me, remember, I was not there to see it!  8)

 ... and I admire your 1-page thread extensive discussion of the subject in pinoydvd   ;D

he he he ... I will stop laughing on the 2 camps when america lands the Apollo 101 in the 21st century ... good technology they have there in the 60's eh   ;D    

its interesting to know what happened to the 2 US flags planted on the moon?   ... long live America !!!  long live NASA ...    ;D ;D    


Fly me to the moon! ;D    

My apology MODS, OT na po ito ... my last po!  :-[
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Re: Atheism/Agnosticism in the Philippines
« Reply #929 on: May 01, 2010 at 07:28 PM »
mods, pa.OT din.....not my last ha ;D

buhay pa rin kaya si elvis presley? si michaeljackson? who killed jfk ?

uncle sHam, $am pala ;D talaga!

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