Topic: The Pacific

[Dan]

And here I thought McArthur's sole interest in the Philippines was to retake his old suite at the Manila Hotel after the Japanese occupied it.

[Verbl Kint]

Part 2 features John Basilone, a sergeant who received both a congressional medal of honor and a Navy Cross in WW2.   

[Arulco]

So far, not as captivating as Band of Brothers or Generation Kill but interesting nonetheless.

[jt68255]

I agree... I am not yet completely blown away by the series! I guess I just have too much expectations on this series.  But none the less, I still find it good so far.  There's still Cape Gloucester, Peleliu, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa so better wait for the whole series to end before giving out the final verdict.  I also think that potrayal of Leckie is quite good. 

[mike c]

oo nga, i'm simultaneously watching BoB.

mas attached ako sa characters ng BoB than Pacific.

question lang po sa mga expert historians:
anong pinagkaiba nung bilog na machine gun sa pacific and yung ibang klaseng machine gun ng BoB?

bakit same era, ibang weapons ang gamit?

[Clondalkin]

question lang po sa mga expert historians:
anong pinagkaiba nung bilog na machine gun sa pacific and yung ibang klaseng machine gun ng BoB?

bakit same era, ibang weapons ang gamit?

Hula.  Baka mas suitable sa tropical weather.   May parang hose pang kinakabit sa barrel.   Did you notice sa 1st episode when they had to dismantle the machinegun after a long fire, and parang napaso yata yung main character dahil mainit yung barrel?

[devlin_waugh]

haven't seen the aired episodes yet

but i'm guessing they're water-cooled MGs

otherwise they'd have to be hoses for a flamethrower which was extensively used in clearing the caves for holed-up Japanese troops

[Clondalkin]

The dual hoses looked like some kind of cooling medium conduit.

[mike c]

na curious ako


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Browning_machine_gun


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1919_Browning_machine_gun


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun

looks like the first two yung napapanood natin ...

the water cooled one was used even in non-tropical countries ... so question mark pa rin on why they decided to use what weapon for what war theatre.

[Dowals]

I find the jungle warfare in Pacific theater based war movies too repititive, as i have seen in the first two episodes.  i will still watch this series 

I wish they've included The Battle of Bataan, The Death March & Battle of Leyte Gulf 

[wedge]

oo nga, i'm simultaneously watching BoB.

mas attached ako sa characters ng BoB than Pacific.

question lang po sa mga expert historians:
anong pinagkaiba nung bilog na machine gun sa pacific and yung ibang klaseng machine gun ng BoB?

bakit same era, ibang weapons ang gamit?

I think the Marines in 1942 were still ill-equipped than their Army counterparts. They still use the old bolt-action one-shot-reload Springfields and the water-cooled M1917 machine guns. Note that when Leckie and his buddies raided the Army quartermaster dump, they discovered crateful after crateful M1 Garands supply for the Army.

[mike c]

I think the Marines in 1942 were still ill-equipped than their Army counterparts. They still use the old bolt-action one-shot-reload Springfields and the water-cooled M1917 machine guns. Note that when Leckie and his buddies raided the Army quartermaster dump, they discovered crateful after crateful M1 Garands supply for the Army.

kawawa naman sila.  akala ko mas elite force yung marines than army.  pero i guess it would make sense that infantry weapons would reach the army before the navy.

[Munskie]

John Basilone is one badass Marine!!!

[Clondalkin]

kawawa naman sila.  akala ko mas elite force yung marines than army.  pero i guess it would make sense that infantry weapons would reach the army before the navy.

Probably because US had mainland Europe in mind as main theater of land battle.  The Pacific/Japanese made them adopt quite a different style of fighting.

[wedge]

I've read somewhere that the Marine Corps did not officially adopt the Garand M1 rifle and the Browning M1919 until 1943, when it was decided to standardize the main combat rifle for all branches of the military. However, the Springfield M1903 proved to be an effective sniper rifle and saw service throughout the entire conflict.

[jt68255]

Watercooled 30 calibre MG yun gamit ng Marines sa Guadalcanal.  The barrel is filled with water to prevent it from quickly overheating.  It was a lot heavier than its air cooled counterpart but it cooled a lot faster.  Pag air cooled gamit mo you really have to fire 3 round bursts lang dahil mabilis uminit compared sa water cooled na mas matagal ng konti yung MG bursts.

As to why Army people always receieved the best equipmnt first before Marines...  Yan na lagi gripe ng mga Marines eh! 2nd in line sila sa mga mas bagong equipment. Like the Springfield rifles they were using vs. The Garand rifles that Army people were already equipped with when they landed in Guadalcanal

[alihug]

part 1 na sa Saturday, Apr. 3...

[boredfilmmaker]

^and part 2 actually.. they're doing back-to-back episodes..

[AshKetchum]

can someone confirm if the HBO Asia airings were butchered with cuts? didn't catch the local airings but i saw the trailers and "making of" features (on Cinemax, go figure    )

as a big fan of Jurassic Park, which i still consider one of my all-time favorite movies, i was shocked to see Joseph Mazzello, who played  little Tim in that movie, all grown up and playing one of the leads in The Pacific as Eugene "Sledgehammer" Sledge. looks like Spielberg hasn't forgotten him.

[Ashburndaride]

^^ haven't seen the HBO airing but there's a long nude/sex scene on Part III which obviously cut by HBO asia. as for the violence, BOB still tops at the moment 

[Verbl Kint]

The HBO Asia version does have cuts.

[kraut]

yup dun sa part 2 where a soldier being shot in neck, biglang nagshift kaagad ng scene.....

dun sa preview eh pinakita talaga yung whole scene.....

[Munskie]

Just watched part IV.  Underwhelms so far.   More drama than I like it to be. And the battle scenes..scarce as they come.... are becoming generic....(marines defending a line......gunning away on Japs on a suicidal attack).

 I guess I cant help but compare it to BoB. Hoping action picks up in the succeeding episodes.

[wedge]

I've read Leckie's autobiographical Helmet for my Pillow years ago and the way The Pacific is trudging through each episode, is becoming faithful to the book from where it was based. Leckie's narrative is both funny and tragic, though he peppers it with euphemisms he coined his buddies in his unit. I think personal accounts differ tremendously from historical accounts (by way of detail, historians like Stephen Ambrose or Cornelius Ryan tend to divert from the humanistic point of view of the war and into the specifics of strategy and the actual combat, which Band of Brothers or The Longest Day depicted).

Eugene Sledge's book, I haven't read, but is next on my reading list.

I kind of liked Part IV, by the way, even if it lacked the "giveaways".

[jt68255]

agree with you on that one.  Personal account are a whole lot different from historical accounts.. thats why when watching the pacific for the last 4 episodes, It feels too enclosed to just the world of the characters.  Thats why the battle scenese feel to small and enclosed.  But I bet action will pick up in Episode 5

[Dowals]

my favorite FBI agent, Anna Torv, appeared in the 5th episode 

[Verbl Kint]

Peleliu is supposed to last 3 episodes.  Can't wait for the next ones.

[JojoD818]

unlike BoB, this mini-series already had 2 bed scenes and a grass scene... 

[Ashburndaride]

anyone still following this series?  half of episode 6 and episode 7 is ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL! 

[wedge]

Yes. I do. Can't wait for Iwo Jima or Okinawa.