Topic: Separation of church and state

[bass_nut]

goes the other way too when one reads signs

[indie boi]

goes the other way too when one reads signs

Then you've just contradicted yourself if you just said awhile ago no human knows. 

[bass_nut]

Then you've just contradicted yourself if you just said awhile ago no human knows. 

no.. no one knows, hence, you can not deny any statement as you too do not know 100% with certainty

[indie boi]

You seem to be having a great deal of difficulty understanding what I posted. Makikibasa na lang po ulit. I trust you'll get it at some point.

[Clondalkin]

Exactly, that's why there's really no reason to keep saying "the end is near" or that "it's a sign that the end of the world is coming."

It's near if you convert the paleontologic age of earth to 4,000 years...that's a factor of 4,000/4,500,000,000

Which reminds me, I recently watched a doc about possible ways to end the world

1.  Yellowstone Park eruption
2.  Worldwide spread of deadly virus
3.  All out nuclear war
4.  The Large Hadron Collider creating a small black hole
5.  A black hole that comes dangerously close to earth
6.  Alien invasion
7.  Meteor collision
8.  6 degrees of average temperature increase

On a personal note, I have been preparing for the big one in Tokyo since I came here in 1990.  The Japanese have been preparing for that since before I was born.  

[bass_nut]

Exactly, that's why there's really no reason to keep saying "the end is near" or that "it's a sign that the end of the world is coming."

for you there is no reason... on the opposite side others see there is reason to remind "the end is near" based on what signs they see or believe ... no side has 100% certainty to refute the other.. only time will tell when and how

it is so simple.. i hope you got the point

[indie boi]

It's near if you convert the paleontologic age of earth to 4,000 years...that's a factor of 4,000/4,500,000,000

Which reminds me, I recently watched a doc about possible ways to end the world

1.  Yellowstone Park eruption
2.  Worldwide spread of deadly virus
3.  All out nuclear war
4.  The Large Hadron Collider creating a small black hole
5.  A black hole that comes dangerously close to earth
6.  Alien invasion
7.  Meteor collision
8.  6 degrees of average temperature increase

On a personal note, I have been preparing for the big one in Tokyo since I came here in 1990.  The Japanese have been preparing for that since before I was born.  

Exactamundo.

I've been hearing doomsayers ever since I was in catholic school. Even the priests who were part of the group that began the indoctrination for my group who was about to enter priesthood said much the same thing. The visuals they used though were the TV movie "The Day After" and the Cold War scare. That was back in the late 80s.

Then you've got loonies like Father Tropa back in the 70s.

[oweidah]

karaniwan nauuna ang "repent", the end is near!

then, "recruitment" na para ma-save, sumapi sa kanila 

[Clondalkin]

Then kapag hindi natuloy ang doomsday predictions, they were saved by the power of prayers daw, or some divine intervention  (nakasulat ba sa Bible yon?  that doomsday can be "postponed"?)

[dpogs]

It's near if you convert the paleontologic age of earth to 4,000 years...that's a factor of 4,000/4,500,000,000

Which reminds me, I recently watched a doc about possible ways to end the world

1.  Yellowstone Park eruption signs: end of the world
2.  Worldwide spread of deadly virus
3.  All out nuclear war
4.  The Large Hadron Collider creating a small black hole if this will create fire: ok
5.  A black hole that comes dangerously close to earth
6.  Alien invasion rapture - when a living true christian will be caught up to heaven
7.  Meteor collision if this will create fire: ok
8.  6 degrees of average temperature increase if this will create fire: ok

On a personal note, I have been preparing for the big one in Tokyo since I came here in 1990.  The Japanese have been preparing for that since before I was born.  

end of the world::: destruction will come by fire


buti pa ang Japan... alam nila may end of the world...



signs are/were everywhere... those signs were meant for us to be prepared for the coming of the Lord.

[oweidah]

end of the world::: destruction will come by fire
buti pa ang Japan... alam nila may end of the world...
signs are/were everywhere... those signs were meant for us to be prepared for the coming of the Lord.

may timeframe ka? o open-ended?

baka abo na ang buto nung ibang nagpredict nung 70s, 2010 nandito pa tayo

[dpogs]

karaniwan nauuna ang "repent", the end is near!

then, "recruitment" na para ma-save, sumapi sa kanila 

again: there is no salvation in religion.

a man can be save with or without religion

[oweidah]

again: there is no salvation in religion.

a man can be save with or without religion

pero dapat BORN-AGAIN muna?  

___

may timeframe ba ang endoftheworld or open-ended?

[bumblebee]

end of the world::: destruction will come by fire

buti pa ang Japan... alam nila may end of the world...

signs are/were everywhere... those signs were meant for us to be prepared for the coming of the Lord.

You sure it hasn't happened yet? Di tayo nakasama

[dpogs]

may timeframe ka? o open-ended?

baka abo na ang buto nung ibang nagpredict nung 70s, 2010 nandito pa tayo

that's the essence of 'surprise'.

no one really knows when... anytime puwedeng mangyari at ang mga handa sila lang ang magbebenefit...


kaya nga 'surprise'....

"it will come like a thief in the night"

[oweidah]

that's the essence of 'surprise'.

no one really knows when... anytime puwedeng mangyari at ang mga handa sila lang ang magbebenefit...


kaya nga 'surprise'....

"it will come like a thief in the night"

surprise, eh abo na nga ang mga buto nung mga nagpredict 70s 80s!  

ang surpresa - si kamatayan!

[indie boi]

You sure it hasn't happened yet? Di tayo nakasama

Yan ang surprise. Di pala nakasama. 

[oweidah]

@dpogs

pakisagot naman- yung post - yes or no lang para simple

pero dapat BORN-AGAIN muna? (hindi partylist Bayad este Bayan Muna ha)

[dpogs]

pero dapat BORN-AGAIN muna?  

___

may timeframe ba ang endoftheworld or open-ended?

paano natin i-define ang salitang born-again?

"born-again" kadalasang tawag sa pentecostal denomination (those who speak in tounges, holy laughter, and the likes)

or

"born-again" by the spirit. pinawalang-sala. a true christian (kahit walang religion)

[oweidah]

paano natin i-define ang salitang born-again?

"born-again" kadalasang tawag sa pentecostal denomination (those who speak in tounges, holy laughter, and the likes)

or

"born-again" by the spirit. pinawalang-sala. a true christian (kahit walang religion)

you tell me...


pagpaumanhin mo pero sa hinaba-haba ng mga posts dito, palagay ko na yan ang pinapatunguhan mo- true christian/born-again/ salvation. buti pa direchuhin mo na lang na ikaw, bilang "true christian" ay masasagip at ang mga hindi "true christian" ay mapupunta sa impyerno.

[dpogs]

you tell me...


pagpaumanhin mo pero sa hinaba-haba ng mga posts dito, palagay ko na yan ang pinapatunguhan mo- true christian/born-again/ salvation. buti pa direchuhin mo na lang na ikaw, bilang "true christian" ay masasagip at ang mga hindi "true christian" ay mapupunta sa impyerno.

hmmm... nope... we want you to come with us... thats why as much as we can... the best as we can... we share and explains to you the way of salvation... how to become a true christian (not a professing christian)...

again: religion, joining a church, good works... these are not the way to salvation. salvation is our personal relationship with Christ.


now: regarding sa end of the world: it is a surprise just like death.

no one know when we will die... kaya nga habang may buhay inihahanda natin lahat...

- kinabukasan ng mga anak natin
- insurance policy natin
- legacy natin
- lahat sinisiguro natin bago tayo mamatay kasi anytime puwede tayong mamatay (di lang natin alam kung kelan)

and yet.... may nakalimutan tayong paghandaan - after life natin. where we will spend our eternity?

[oweidah]

hmmm... nope... we want you to come with us... thats why as much as we can... the best as we can... we share and explains to you the way of salvation... how to become a true christian (not a professing christian)...

again: religion, joining a church, good works... these are not the way to salvation. salvation is our personal relationship with Christ.


now: regarding sa end of the world: it is a surprise just like death.

no one know when we will die... kaya nga habang may buhay inihahanda natin lahat...

- kinabukasan ng mga anak natin
- insurance policy natin
- legacy natin
- lahat sinisiguro natin bago tayo mamatay kasi anytime puwede tayong mamatay (di lang natin alam kung kelan)

and yet.... may nakalimutan tayong paghandaan - after life natin. where we will spend our eternity?

you're telling me that you dont belong to any church? that you dont attend (sunday) service? aw common...

[dpogs]

you're telling me that you dont belong to any church? that you dont attend (sunday) service? aw common...

again: salvation doesnt involve any membership in the church.

we are speaking about salvation... not membership sa kung anong denomination man yan...

[bass_nut]

again: salvation doesnt involve any membership in the church.

we are speaking about salvation... not membership sa kung anong denomination man yan...

x2 !!!  

[bumblebee]

dpogs,

What's your religion? Di na ako nakikipag-debate. Tinatanong ko lang talaga.

[Clondalkin]

Teka muna, kala ko ba the ALAM nyong end of the world is near ...so paano naging surprise yon?

Oh btw, scientists describe earth's destruction by black hole as "spaghettified" - no fire, just like going through a noodle maker.

[oweidah]

again: salvation doesnt involve any membership in the church.

we are speaking about salvation... not membership sa kung anong denomination man yan...

o iniwasan mo naman sagutin kung miembro ka ng anong sekta/denominasyon/simbahan. at

ALLAH GOD YAHWEH judges. HE decides who's saved or not. its not for you to tell us here that you are saved. wait till judgment day. huwag mo pangunahan ang Diyos

sabihin mo yan sa hudyo o muslim

[indie boi]

hmmm... nope... we want you to come with us... thats why as much as we can... the best as we can... we share and explains to you the way of salvation... how to become a true christian (not a professing christian)...

These are the kinds of posts that make me really enjoy reading this thread.

To emphasize the juiciest line -- "We want you to come with us". Hanep talaga.

[oweidah]

dpogs,

What's your religion? Di na ako nakikipag-debate. Tinatanong ko lang talaga.

sir
it seems dumidistansiya siya, ina-isolate para di matukoy. matagal na rin naitanong sa kanya yan.

[Clondalkin]

One more question Dpogs, what if, nagugunaw na ang mundo and then I had a chance at that instance to proclaim, "sasapi ako sa pananampalataya ni Dpogs".  Ok lang yon?  Or meron deadline to join?  Just curious ne.  Wag mo masamain yung tanong.

Kase maski sa movies, you'd see the main characters (the good guys) reciting The Lord's Prayer kapag imminent na yung death.  Will that work in your belief?