Topic: Surround Speaker Placement Question

[gunslinger]

We are moving to a smaller house and the sala is my only option to set-up my HT. Used to have a small dedicated HT room from the previous house and using A-Audio 1Sc BS with stands as surrounds equidistant to the listening position. Can't use the same set-up because of my 2 kids who may accidentally bump the speakers.

I'm planning to use bipolar speakers (e.g. Wharf dfs) as surrounds attached on the sidewalls but will not be equidstant to the listening position. Can the auto calibration feature of the receiver compensate for this? My current receiver is HK160. Wall mounting my current BS is also not advisable since they are back-ported. 

Thanks in advance.

[av_phile1]

How large is the distance difference? Sound travels at 1125 ft per second of less than a foot per millisecond. If the distance difference is 3 ft, that's 3 milliseconds of delay. hardly audible. 

Having said that, if your receiver has independent delay calibration per channel in milliseconds, you can do it manually.

[gunslinger]

Thank you for responding.

Left speaker will be 4 feet away from the listening position while right channel could be twice as much. Haven't had the chance to measure it yet.

Tried a 2.1 set-up last night in the sala and it was really hard to tame the boomy sound of the bass. Blame that on concrete walls, ceiling and tiled flooring. Hopefully it gets better once the carpet and curtains are installed.

[markcrenz]

I'm planning to use bipolar speakers (e.g. Wharf dfs) as surrounds attached on the sidewalls but will not be equidstant to the listening position. Can the auto calibration feature of the receiver compensate for this? My current receiver is HK160.

That's why they put it there.

Tried a 2.1 set-up last night in the sala and it was really hard to tame the boomy sound of the bass. Blame that on concrete walls, ceiling and tiled flooring. Hopefully it gets better once the carpet and curtains are installed.

it's not the materials per se, it's the room mode.

[gunslinger]

@ sir markcrenz,

I was just thinking na kaya nga niya auto calibrate pero hindi maganda yung magiging effect kaya ako nagtanong. And can you please clarify yung room mode? Medyo hindi ko gets eh.

Thanks a lot.

[markcrenz]

may link na yun click mo na lang 

[gunslinger]

may link na yun click mo na lang 

Hahaha oo nga noh. thank you for a very informative read!

Dipole loudspeakers, such as electrostatic speakers are generally considered to be better than conventional speakers with respect to room modes. Because they have much reduced radiation sideways, and because they are never placed against a surface, they will not stimulate some room modes.

Equalisation of the sound system to compensate for the uneven frequency response caused by room resonances is or very limited use as the equalisation only works for one specific listening position and will actually cause the response to be worse in other listening positions. Also large bass boosts by sound system EQ can severely reduce the headroom in the sound system itself.

Mukha namang I'm in the right direction towards improving the sound. Tested again tonight and masama lang ang pumapangit lang ang tunog pag malakas na.

[markcrenz]

Hahaha oo nga noh. thank you for a very informative read!

Mukha namang I'm in the right direction towards improving the sound. Tested again tonight and masama lang ang pumapangit lang ang tunog pag malakas na.

amplifier clipping? siguro you need more efficient speakers or bigger amp.

[gunslinger]

amplifier clipping? siguro you need more efficient speakers or bigger amp.

hindi naman clipping. more on yung boominess magnified na pag loud volumes. unlike dun sa set-up ko from the previous house na walang change kahit malakas or mahina yung volume. Dahil na din siguro sa room mode.

Makahanap na nga ng pre-owned dipole surround. hehehe

[markcrenz]

ah dyan na makakatulong ng malaki ang acoustic treatments

[Nelson de Leon]

ah dyan na makakatulong ng malaki ang acoustic treatments

Well said. pero hatayin muna niya ma-complete mga gamit nya sa sala. baka hindi pa complete. Sometimes kasi kapag walang laman, nagiging boomy talaga.

[gunslinger]

Finally, after several weeks of delay, I was able to complete setting-up the surround speakers (Carnival 3 bought from Jao). Boominess was also tamed using curtains behind the front speakers and TV plus the effect of the added furnitures in the living room. Auto-calibration also helped in integrating the new surrounds and subs. Post ako ng pics sa gallery pag naayos ko na yung cables.

Salamat ng marami sa mga nagtiyagang sumagot sa mga katanungan ko.

[jao143]

Finally, after several weeks of delay, I was able to complete setting-up the surround speakers (Carnival 3 bought from Jao). Boominess was also tamed using curtains behind the front speakers and TV plus the effect of the added furnitures in the living room. Auto-calibration also helped in integrating the new surrounds and subs. Post ako ng pics sa gallery pag naayos ko na yung cables.

Salamat ng marami sa mga nagtiyagang sumagot sa mga katanungan ko.

Congrats sir Neil. Wag mo nang patagalin at i-post mo na sa gallery ha...

[gunslinger]

Congrats sir Neil. Wag mo nang patagalin at i-post mo na sa gallery ha...

Ayos-ayos lang muna ng kaunti. Naghahanda na din ako ng pangontra sa kulam.
Sabihan mo ako pag bibitawan mo na yung klipsch mo ah. Balita ko SVS all the way ka eh. Ganda ng 2 towers mo bro. 

[Nelson de Leon]

Ayos-ayos lang muna ng kaunti. Naghahanda na din ako ng pangontra sa kulam.
Sabihan mo ako pag bibitawan mo na yung klipsch mo ah. Balita ko SVS all the way ka eh. Ganda ng 2 towers mo bro. 

Naku sir. Wag na wag kayong magpapakulam. Puro gastos lang ang ituturo sa inyo ng mga mangku na mga yun.

Congrats sa system sir. Looks like acoustic panels na lang kailangan mo to improve SQ. 

Ayos ang Synergy ni Jao. Group buy tayo? Iyo ang fronts, akin ang center na surrounds? 

[jao143]

Naku sir. Wag na wag kayong magpapakulam. Puro gastos lang ang ituturo sa inyo ng mga mangku na mga yun.

Congrats sa system sir. Looks like acoustic panels na lang kailangan mo to improve SQ. 

Ayos ang Synergy ni Jao. Group buy tayo? Iyo ang fronts, akin ang center na surrounds? 

Kayong dalawa talaga, baka palayasin na ako ng asawa ko nyan, sabihin, bili tapos benta agad... break-in ko muna para sa inyo...

@ sir neil, sila sir mar at sir stick ata mauuna na mag "svs all the way" kaysa sa akin...

[Nelson de Leon]

Kayong dalawa talaga, baka palayasin na ako ng asawa ko nyan, sabihin, bili tapos benta agad... break-in ko muna para sa inyo...

@ sir neil, sila sir mar at sir stick ata mauuna na mag "svs all the way" kaysa sa akin...

At alam kong hindi ka pahuhuli. 

[jao143]

At alam kong hindi ka pahuhuli. 

Kapag nakuha na ninyo yung pinareserve nyo ni sir Neil...

[ninjababez®]

sorry for ressurecting this old thread.  konting time lang kasi ang meron ako.
later this afternoon na ako mag paint ng room kaya kailangan na magbutas ..

mga bro ito yung layout nung magiging room ko.







question mga bro ..
which one is better installation for a small room HT if youre using a Bipole svs SSS-02 
thanks 

use it as side or rear surround ..

USE IT AS REAR SURROUND


VS.

AS SIDE SURROUND



ito magiging itsura nya kung side surrounds sya, magiging few inches sa rear wall nalang.