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Phobos · « **Reply #90 on:** Jul 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM »

I'm going to disagree. He was in Gilas. I don't think his lack of confidence is the problem. I want to see Coach Norman utilize his other players and not just depend on Slaughter. Adamson was able to catch up whenever Slaughter's on the bench. And without Slaughter, I saw the Blue Eagles make clumsy plays coming of fastbreaks as if they thought that the only way they could score was to catch Adamson by surprise.

All I'm saying is, they're better than that. Slaughter's not the only scorer on the team.

newwaveboy · « **Reply #91 on:** Jul 11, 2011 at 12:38 PM »

Slaughter is a walking mismatch, hence Black is utilizing him early on ...... anytime you get a guy that tall with decent hands & decent offense - you use him as much as possible.

He'll have his fair share of hiccups being a "rookie" to the UAAP ..... but once he get's the hang of it, he will make the game a lot easier for his teammates.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #92 on:** Jul 11, 2011 at 01:43 PM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Jul 11, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Slaughter is a walking mismatch, hence Black is utilizing him early on ...... anytime you get a guy that tall with decent hands & decent offense - you use him as much as possible.

He'll have his fair share of hiccups being a "rookie" to the UAAP ..... but once he get's the hang of it, he will make the game a lot easier for his teammates.

Proper execution is needed to maximize the strength and height of Slaughter.
Pick and Rolls, Drives and Draws those are the plays Ateneo needs to perfect. guards, off guards, small forwards that can penetrate luring oppsing teams defenders at them then set up her giant for an easy undergoal stab those plays will the Eagles unbeatable.

newwaveboy · « **Reply #93 on:** Jul 11, 2011 at 02:01 PM »

^ Yup .... and Black is a good-enough coach to know these things (see early success of Slaughter via pick-rolls with Monfort ) ..... Black has always been a very good big-man coach.

I agree that it's imperative that they break-in Slaughter now while it's early ..... games will get a lot tighter as the finish approaches & top-2 slots are within sight.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #94 on:** Jul 11, 2011 at 02:44 PM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Jul 11, 2011 at 02:01 PM

^ Yup .... and Black is a good-enough coach to know these things (see early success of Slaughter via pick-rolls with Monfort ) ..... Black has always been a very good big-man coach.

I agree that it's imperative that they break-in Slaughter now while it's early ..... games will get a lot tighter as the finish approaches & top-2 slots are within sight.

yes Black always wants a big men's team. he always wants a big man who can deliver down low plus another big man who can clean up the garbage and defend down low.

Onkyo606 · « **Reply #95 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 03:33 PM »

Quote from: brainwashed on Jul 10, 2011 at 05:36 PM

Feu beats La Salle.
Ateneo defeats Adamson.

I thought it was only Salamat who would be gone from the Ateneo line-up but it seems Buenafe is also gone, two of Ateneo's go-to-guys at crucial time. I guess it will not be a walk in the park for Ateneo after all.

buenafe is gone for now because he is overweight

this is to me the worst way you get out of the line up, way lacking in discipline

puffalan84 · « **Reply #96 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 04:47 PM »

Quote from: Onkyo606 on Jul 13, 2011 at 03:33 PM

buenafe is gone for now because he is overweight

this is to me the worst way you get out of the line up, way lacking in discipline

heard that Buenafe is going back to Baste, while Delacruz to Beda again..

onedown · « **Reply #97 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 05:10 PM »

i think buenafe has been having some difficulties coping up with his school's academic requirements.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #98 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 05:44 PM »

Quote from: onedown on Jul 13, 2011 at 05:10 PM

i think buenafe has been having some difficulties coping up with his school's academic requirements.

its really between Buenafe and de la Cruz. may problema yun dalawa sa babae he he. . . .

questforthegoodlife · « **Reply #99 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 PM »

Quote from: puffalan84 on Jul 13, 2011 at 04:47 PM

heard that Buenafe is going back to Baste, while Delacruz to Beda again..

Art Dela Cruz going back to San Beda is confirmed. He's practicing with them already.

There were rumors going around that Buenafe wanted to go back to Baste for a "fresh" start. But he's still in the ateneo atending to his classes.

The problem with Buenafe is, he's a genius at basketball but has never developed the work ethic to truly develop his full potential. Compared to Nico Salva who is a workhorse, we can see nico's development to a become a truly good forward and if not one of the best in the UAAP for his generation.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Ateneo's game against ADU. Admu always starts the season slow and arguably Adamson is quite good with a very underrated coach. We'll start seeing fluidity on the offensive plays and cohesiveness on defense.

I'm just gonna relax and watch how the season unfolds. I'm only gonna push the panic button if ateneo gets 3 losses already in the first round. but until then, i'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

brainwashed · « **Reply #100 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 07:01 PM »

Quote from: questforthegoodlife on Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 PM

Art Dela Cruz going back to San Beda is confirmed. He's practicing with them already.

There were rumors going around that Buenafe wanted to go back to Baste for a "fresh" start. But he's still in the ateneo atending to his classes.

The problem with Buenafe is, he's a genius at basketball but has never developed the work ethic to truly develop his full potential. Compared to Nico Salva who is a workhorse, we can see his development to a very good forward and if not one of the best in the UAAP for his generation.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Ateneo's game against ADU. Admu always starts the season slow and arguably Adamson is quite good with a very underrated coach. We'll start seeing fluidity on the offensive plays and cohesiveness on defense.

I'm just gonna relax and watch how the season unfolds. I'm only gonna push the panic button if ateneo gets 3 losses already in the first round. but until then, i'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

Salamat, Buenafe, Dela Cruz. Three players who are not afraid to shoot. Three players who are not afraid to drive into the painted area. Three players who can post-up. Three players who are not afraid to go head-to-head and toe-to-toe with the opposing player. These are not minor losses, these are big losses.

Salva has a decent outside shot. But he's not that good a post-up player nor does he have an explosive first step which will allow him to leave his guard behind. He doesn't even have the heft to overpower those who guard him. What he has is the "yabang" and self-confidence to do good.

Kirk Long has his days but not on a steady basis. Chua is good offensively but is not intimidating defensively. Monfort will not back down from anybody. The other players have been contented in the roles they play. And with the entry of Slaughter and Ravena, they might even be more contented playing second-fiddle to them.

Their real test probably would come from FEU's in-your-face defense and La Salle's pesky full-court press.

Ateneo may be a contender but definitely not a shoo-in!

Onkyo606 · « **Reply #101 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 09:51 PM »

Quote from: questforthegoodlife on Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 PM

Art Dela Cruz going back to San Beda is confirmed. He's practicing with them already.

There were rumors going around that Buenafe wanted to go back to Baste for a "fresh" start. But he's still in the ateneo atending to his classes.

The problem with Buenafe is, he's a genius at basketball but has never developed the work ethic to truly develop his full potential. Compared to Nico Salva who is a workhorse, we can see nico's development to a become a truly good forward and if not one of the best in the UAAP for his generation.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Ateneo's game against ADU. Admu always starts the season slow and arguably Adamson is quite good with a very underrated coach. We'll start seeing fluidity on the offensive plays and cohesiveness on defense.

I'm just gonna relax and watch how the season unfolds. I'm only gonna push the panic button if ateneo gets 3 losses already in the first round. but until then, i'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

who is this art dela cruz? is he related to the art dela cruz the PBA player and assistant coach?

brainwashed · « **Reply #102 on:** Jul 13, 2011 at 10:07 PM »

Quote from: Onkyo606 on Jul 13, 2011 at 09:51 PM

who is this art dela cruz? is he related to the art dela cruz the PBA player and assistant coach?

actually it should be arthur dela cruz. he is the son of art dela cruz.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/technopinoy/4808112543/

mattia · « **Reply #103 on:** Jul 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM »

If San Beda has Sudan, and Ateneo has Slaughter, look who FEU got! Lakas ng FEU

Dahil lockout sa NBA, e sa FEU na muna maglalaro si Black Mamba!

steelcrazy · « **Reply #104 on:** Jul 14, 2011 at 01:47 PM »

Quote from: questforthegoodlife on Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 PM

Art Dela Cruz going back to San Beda is confirmed. He's practicing with them already.

There were rumors going around that Buenafe wanted to go back to Baste for a "fresh" start. But he's still in the ateneo atending to his classes.

The problem with Buenafe is, he's a genius at basketball but has never developed the work ethic to truly develop his full potential. Compared to Nico Salva who is a workhorse, we can see nico's development to a become a truly good forward and if not one of the best in the UAAP for his generation.

Also, I wouldn't worry about Ateneo's game against ADU. Admu always starts the season slow and arguably Adamson is quite good with a very underrated coach. We'll start seeing fluidity on the offensive plays and cohesiveness on defense.

I'm just gonna relax and watch how the season unfolds. I'm only gonna push the panic button if ateneo gets 3 losses already in the first round. but until then, i'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

but Ryan has the heart of a Champion, he's cool under pressure and always deliver when his team needed him most, look at what he did last year against FEU in the finals. binuhat nya un team Ateneo. i also remembered the up and under hang time move he did when they were down against dindo pumaren's UE w/c he also won for the eagles.

Wiggum · « **Reply #105 on:** Jul 14, 2011 at 10:40 PM »

Panalo UP! Next stop: Final Four.

questforthegoodlife · « **Reply #106 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jul 14, 2011 at 01:47 PM

but Ryan has the heart of a Champion, he's cool under pressure and always deliver when his team needed him most, look at what he did last year against FEU in the finals. binuhat nya un team Ateneo. i also remembered the up and under hang time move he did when they were down against dindo pumaren's UE w/c he also won for the eagles.

No doubt he has the heart of a champion. Him sitting out this year is a big loss definitely.

questforthegoodlife · « **Reply #107 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 12:31 AM »

Quote from: brainwashed on Jul 13, 2011 at 07:01 PM

Salamat, Buenafe, Dela Cruz. Three players who are not afraid to shoot. Three players who are not afraid to drive into the painted area. Three players who can post-up. Three players who are not afraid to go head-to-head and toe-to-toe with the opposing player. These are not minor losses, these are big losses.

Salva has a decent outside shot. But he's not that good a post-up player nor does he have an explosive first step which will allow him to leave his guard behind. He doesn't even have the heft to overpower those who guard him. What he has is the "yabang" and self-confidence to do good.

Kirk Long has his days but not on a steady basis. Chua is good offensively but is not intimidating defensively. Monfort will not back down from anybody. The other players have been contented in the roles they play. And with the entry of Slaughter and Ravena, they might even be more contented playing second-fiddle to them.

Their real test probably would come from FEU's in-your-face defense and La Salle's pesky full-court press.

Ateneo may be a contender but definitely not a shoo-in!

Yes those three are big losses to the team. They bring swagger and elevates the whole team's performance. If art and buenafe were still with the team, i would have said just hand the trophy to them. As seen in the adamson game the second unit didnt contribute to the points production! 8 pts. Only! Art was quite good off the bench, providing quality minutes right away.

Verbl Kint · « **Reply #108 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 12:45 AM »

Buenafe is a closer, somethibg that Ray Parks would need to learn.

Buenafat also has high basketball IQ and awareness, something that Ravena needs to demonstrate in the UAAP.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #109 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 09:52 AM »

Quote from: Verbl Kint on Jul 15, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Buenafe is a closer, somethibg that Ray Parks would need to learn.

Buenafat also has high basketball IQ and awareness, something that Ravena needs to demonstrate in the UAAP.

He always looked over weight, mukhang wala sa condition, ang bagal kumilos, but somehow i just dont know why he always gets the job done when the game was on the line. he's more of mental toughness, buo ang loob.

i just feel with his barrelling drives, he could be the best feeder for Slaughter kung ksama sna sya sa line up this season.

newwaveboy · « **Reply #110 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM »

Agree with above posts ..... Ryan Buenafe has good basketball sense & has that mental toughness about him. Plus for someone with that huge build, he sure has decent mobility & handling.

It could be a sad story should the kid ignore his conditioning ..... he looks like he'll be a decent pro someday.

I'm kinda reminded of a similar case ..... Gerard Francisco from some years back. The guy had a similar build & skillset with Buenafe, but was a tad bit more mobile & was a much better shooter.

Francisco had a decent pro career, even lead his team to it's first 'chip. However, the guy had very poor conditioning & was disinterested in training ..... hence his pro career didn't last that long.

A good friend was a PBA team PT for many years & can attest to this (he also confirms that Marlou Aquino was president of the All-Lazy team).

mattia · « **Reply #111 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Jul 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Agree with above posts ..... Ryan Buenafe has good basketball sense & has that mental toughness about him. Plus for someone with that huge build, he sure has decent mobility & handling.

It could be a sad story should the kid ignore his conditioning ..... he looks like he'll be a decent pro someday.

I'm kinda reminded of a similar case ..... Gerard Francisco from some years back. The guy had a similar build & skillset with Buenafe, but was a tad bit more mobile & was a much better shooter.

Francisco had a decent pro career, even lead his team to it's first 'chip. However, the guy had very poor conditioning & was disinterested in training ..... hence his pro career didn't last that long.

A good friend was a PBA team PT for many years & can attest to this (he also confirms that Marlou Aquino was president of the All-Lazy team).

Conditioning is key. The Big J, at age 40+, was still banging bodies with the younger players. One of his players Joey Loyzaga told me that "Tatang", as Jawo was called, might be a few steps behind but no one in the Ginebra team can outpace their coach. Grabe daw talaga ang conditioning.

On the contrary, one of the best players of San Miguel Yves Dignadice was Norman Black's first five. But Black always complained that Yves would show up for practice with a hangover and no sleep from previous night's partying. Sometimes, Yves will drive to the practice venue and sleep in the car, in time for their practice for the day.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #112 on:** Jul 15, 2011 at 02:01 PM »

UST's win over NU is quite a moral booster for Pido Jarencio's Tigers.
Actually they have a decent starting unit that can compete w/ the best this season.
Fortuna, Teng, Ferrer, Camus, plus the IMPORT.
but their bench is quite shallow w/ Pe, and Afuang as their reliables.

NU played a decent game. almost won it, Parks better be ready for a tougher competition ahead of him as teams will certainly focus their defenses and clogged down on him to frustrate his game.

UP has improved under the Lipa mentored Ricky Dandan's watchful eyes.

UE probably the only team that is ALL-Filipino could the this year's cellar dwellers.

Verbl Kint · « **Reply #113 on:** Jul 16, 2011 at 09:15 PM »

Kiefer Ravena with a monster first half against DLSU today. He looked like he was ready to jump to the pros on that one game alone.

La Salle must be regretting not keeping him way back in grade school.

Replay later at 10pm @ Balls.

brainwashed · « **Reply #114 on:** Jul 16, 2011 at 10:50 PM »

Quote from: Verbl Kint on Jul 16, 2011 at 09:15 PM

Kiefer Ravena with a monster first half against DLSU today. He looked like he was ready to jump to the pros on that one game alone.

La Salle must be regretting not keeping him way back in grade school.

Replay later at 10pm @ Balls.

It was indeed a spectacular first half by Kiefer Ravena, but what struck me most was how vulnerable Ateneo's second team is. Chua, Golla, Austria, Sumalinog and Tiongson. If the low post plays of Chua are not successful, where do they get their points? Except perhaps for Tiongson, who can drive to the basket, none of the other players can create their own plays. And this was definitely shown in the second quarter and at the start of the fourth by La Salle. It was good, though that Black was quick to react and adjust.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #115 on:** Jul 17, 2011 at 09:06 AM »

Man for man Adamson seems to be the toughest match up for the Eagles. Mamang mama ang dating ng mga players wlang Totoy. They just have to find a remedy to close out games since they really play touch for 35 mins then the usual collapse in the end game, its more on mental toughness and composure during end games that the Falcons should learn.

brainwashed · « **Reply #116 on:** Jul 17, 2011 at 09:52 AM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jul 17, 2011 at 09:06 AM

Man for man Adamson seems to be the toughest match up for the Eagles. Mamang mama ang dating ng mga players wlang Totoy. They just have to find a remedy to close out games since they really play touch for 35 mins then the usual collapse in the end game, its more on mental toughness and composure during end games that the Falcons should learn.

But they were tough and composed against the Tamaraws yesterday even when FEU lowered the deficit to 7 points with around 7 minutes left, the same situation they were in against Ateneo.

steelcrazy · « **Reply #117 on:** Jul 17, 2011 at 10:58 AM »

Quote from: brainwashed on Jul 17, 2011 at 09:52 AM

But they were tough and composed against the Tamaraws yesterday even when FEU lowered the deficit to 7 points with around 7 minutes left, the same situation they were in against Ateneo.

too many times befoer they have the game in control against Ateneo only to lose it in the last 2mins becoz they just cant score on clutch baskets and just watch their lead overwhelmed by Ateneo's aggressive end game.
they have to learn to play to win and not play not to lose.

brainwashed · « **Reply #118 on:** Jul 17, 2011 at 01:50 PM »

Quote from: steelcrazy on Jul 17, 2011 at 10:58 AM

too many times befoer they have the game in control against Ateneo only to lose it in the last 2mins becoz they just cant score on clutch baskets and just watch their lead overwhelmed by Ateneo's aggressive end game.
they have to learn to play to win and not play not to lose.

their game against feu is an indication that they know how to play to win and not just play not to lose. perhaps their losing streak to Ateneo plays havoc on their playing minds!

steelcrazy · « **Reply #119 on:** Jul 17, 2011 at 01:58 PM »

we'll see if they can finally beat Ateneo in the 2nd round, if i'm not mistaken they are 0-15 against Ateneo since Coach Leo Austria took over.
Most of those games they could have won pero laging sayang in the end as they always end up losing.