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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #630 on: Jul 03, 2012 at 08:02 PM »
Scientology is one of the scary religions:


Katie Holmes' Scientology stalking fears
By: Bang Showbiz
Posted: 07/2/2012 3:15 AM |

Katie Holmes is concerned she is being watched by private investigators hired by Scientologists.

... A source told The Sun newspaper: "About three days before the divorce was announced a Mercedes SUV was sitting outside Tom's apartment in Greenwich Village.

"They were sat about a hundred yards from the house - a couple of suspicious-looking characters in sunglasses.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/entertainment/celebrities/katie-holmes-scientology-stalking-fears-161046435.html



Scientology education row ‘led to Tom Cruise Katie Holmes split’
Insiders claim Holmes filed for divorce
to prevent the Scientology educating her daughter

By Guy Adams
Tuesday, 3 July 2012

Katie Holmes filed for divorce from Tom Cruise in an attempt to prevent her six-year-old daughter being educated at schools with links to the Church of Scientology, multiple sources claimed yesterday, adding to evidence that the controversial faith lies at the centre of the couple's split.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/scientology-education-row-lsquoled-to-tom-cruise-katie-holmes-splitrsquo-16180208.html

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #631 on: Jul 05, 2012 at 12:56 PM »
and their denomination/religion/sect name?

yes. =)

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #632 on: Jul 09, 2012 at 03:47 PM »
Higgs boson physicist shunned in Pakistan
Associated Press
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 8 July 2012 21.22 BST

... In what is perhaps a sign of the growing Islamic extremism in the country, Pakistan's only Nobel laureate, who helped develop the theoretical framework that led to the apparent discovery of the subatomic "God particle" last week, is being largely scorned in his homeland because of his religious affiliation.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/08/higgs-boson-pakistan-scientist

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #633 on: Jul 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM »

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #634 on: Jul 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM »
Georgia Parents Torture Adopted Daughter, Say They Were Just Following The Bible



If there was ever a case that proves once and for all why the Bible has never been and should never be the basis for American law, this is it.

Diana and Samuel Franklin are the adoptive parents of a 15 year old girl. And they never should have been allowed to adopt any child whatsoever. Over the last two years, the Franklins have been torturing the girl by locking her up in a chicken coop for days, locking her in a small claustrophobic outhouse, and forcing her to wear a shock collar controlled by a remote. Authorities also found a leather belt that may have been used to beat the girl.

Why did they do this? The Georgia parents allegedly did these horrible things to teach the girl how to do chores correctly; chores such as picking up trash and tending to the yard in extremely hot conditions. And what’s worse, according to a neighbor, the parents allegedly claim they were just following the Bible.

WTVM reports that one neighbor said that,

“Diana Franklin would often punish her daughter for not doing chores and working the “right way.” The neighbor said that Diana Franklin would only feed her daughter bread and water as punishment for days on end. The neighbor says that Diana Franklin told her that she was “doing what the Bible says.”

Diana Franklin faces 12 counts of cruelty to children and 4 counts of false imprisonment, while Samuel Franklin faces 8 counts of cruelty to children and 8 counts of false imprisonment. Weeks before their arrests, the girl was taken into temporary custody by the Department of Family and Child Services.”


More at http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/13/georgia-parents-torture-adopted-daughter-say-they-were-just-following-the-bible/

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #635 on: Jul 14, 2012 at 05:20 PM »
No, you don't call that "Doing what the bible says."

You call that "Not understanding what the bible says."

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #636 on: Jul 14, 2012 at 07:24 PM »
People have used the Bible to justify all sorts of bad behavior: The Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and the Westboro Baptist Church have all cited the Bible to justify their hatred.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #637 on: Jul 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM »
Give an example of a verse they use as basis and I'll show you why it's a wrong interpretation.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #638 on: Jul 14, 2012 at 11:51 PM »
Give an example of a verse they use as basis and I'll show you why it's a wrong interpretation.


Often used to justify hatred, discrimination and condemnation of homosexuals:

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Rom 1:26-27



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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #639 on: Jul 15, 2012 at 04:26 AM »
People have used the Bible to justify all sorts of bad behavior: The Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and the Westboro Baptist Church have all cited the Bible to justify their hatred.

So true.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #640 on: Jul 15, 2012 at 10:06 PM »
Often used to justify hatred, discrimination and condemnation of homosexuals:

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Rom 1:26-27




Wrong interpretation: Rom.1:26-27 is about homosexuals.

Correct interpretation: Rom. 1:26-27 is about heterosexuals.  



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The 3 "gay" verses of the New Testament:  



1.  Romans 1:26 & 27 - Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Romans 1:26-27 is not about homosexuality per se, but same-sex acts performed by heterosexuals.  

That's why it talks about abandoning "natural relations."  If you're gay, then same-sex is the natural thing for you; so if you engage in same-sex acts, you're abandoning nothing .  But if you're heterosexual, then opposite-sex is the natural thing for you; so if you switch to same-sex, then you're abandoning what is natural to you.

Therefore, these verses are not about persons who had always been gay since their youth.  The context shows that they are those who worshipped false gods, then continued sinking deeper and deeper into sexual depravity.  They are about persons who were naturally heterosexual, but gave up their natural sexual orientation for homosexual lust.

What is likely is that Paul was referring to the pagan fertility cults of his time, where sex was an important part of the temple rituals.  Notice that the prior verse 25 was talking about idol worship ("They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator..."), then proceeds to verses 26 & 27 to talk about abandoning natural relations.

http://geographer70.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/romans-126-27/
 


2.  1 Corinthians 6:9 & 10 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

On this passage, the term "effeminate" is a translation from the Greek "malakoi;" and the phrase "abusers of themselves with mankind" is a translation of the Greek "arsenokoitai."

- Malakoi - There is no clear consensus as to how the word should be understood.   The New International Version Bible translates it as "male prostitutes".  In Matthew, where the word was also used in reference to clothing, it was translated as "soft".  But here, it may mean a morally weak person.

- Arsenokoitai -  Scholars speculate that this Greek word was coined by Paul, since they can't find any older written work that uses the same word.  It's literally translated into "man-beds."  The original meaning could be limited to abuse such as same-sex pedophilia, not necessarily referring to homosexuality in general.  

https://www.gaykenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:the-word-arsenokoitai&catid=45:rev-major-kimindu&Itemid=95



3.  1 Timothy 1:9 & 10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine...

Here, the phrase, "them that defile themselves with mankind" is also a translation of the Greek "arsenokoitai."


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #641 on: Jul 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM »
She's such a wacko.


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #642 on: Jul 22, 2012 at 09:16 AM »
I am not sure if this is the right thread... ;D

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #643 on: Aug 03, 2012 at 07:34 PM »
I am not sure if this is the right thread... ;D



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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #645 on: Aug 04, 2012 at 06:21 AM »
This should settle the religious argument against homosexuality once and for all.

Copy paste ko:
 In other words, “The ancient writers . . . were operating without the vaguest conception of what we have learned to call ‘sexual orientation’.”1 (In the rest of this article I shall use the terms “homosexual” and “homosexuality” strictly for the sake of convenience.)

Pero yun sexual action or relation between the same sex meron. I don't know if you would consider that a part or a requirement for being a homosexual.

Speaking of which, can you please define or give the pre-requisites of a homosexual?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #646 on: Aug 04, 2012 at 09:20 AM »
This should settle the religious argument against homosexuality once and for all.

Don't be naive.  

Religious arguments are never settled.  It doesn't matter what either side says.      

"Once and for all"?  ---- Wehhh ... :D


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #647 on: Aug 04, 2012 at 09:46 AM »
Agree. Also Political Arguments.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #648 on: Aug 04, 2012 at 10:19 AM »
That's why you shouldn't bring up politics or religion when you're in polite conversation.

You're bound to get into a major difference of opinion. When that happens, the other guy will never agree with you, and you will never agree with the other guy.  

And you'll be undercutting each other at a very deep level.  That's why emotions tend to flare.

The guy who brings up religion actually thinks he can change the other guy's deeply-held beliefs by logical argumentation.  He's living in la la land.  People kill each other for religion, and he thinks he can change somebody's religious belief in a conversation over the dinner table?
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #649 on: Aug 06, 2012 at 08:23 AM »
Look who lashed out against the government and even the church

Reyes, arguably the Roman Catholic Church’s most maverick cleric, then questioned the sincerity of the Church leadership in its avowed mission to help the poor and the oppressed.
 
“Yes the Church has always been on the side of the poor. But how much has this been the case? Can the Church and the other churches also say the opposite then, that they, have not been and will never be on the side of the rich? Doesn’t this also smack of dishonesty if not hypocrisy?” Reyes said.


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/243115/running-priest-hits-govt-church-for-using-poor-as-pawn-in-rh-bill-debate

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #650 on: Aug 07, 2012 at 08:49 AM »
Lennox Vs. Dawkins Debate - Has Science Buried God?

-Dawkins and Lennox are at the top of their game discussing a wide variety of issues...

http://youtu.be/J0UIbd0eLxw
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #651 on: Aug 09, 2012 at 05:59 PM »


Genesis 8, 7-12': Netizens link Tuesday's floods -
and Project Noah - to the Bible

By: Tricia Aquino and Karl John Reyes, InterAksyon.com
August 8, 2012 4:44 PM


http://www.interaksyon.com/article/39877/genesis-8-7-12-netizens-link-tuesdays-floods---and-project-noah---to-the-bible


RH bill and this unnamed monsoon
by Jayeel Serrano Cornelio
Posted on 08/08/2012 2:12 PM  | Updated 08/08/2012 2:31 PM

While many of our fellow Filipinos this week were trying to salvage whatever was left untouched by an unnamed monsoon, some others kept themselves busy by reading the Bible. It was, however, a curious case of Bible reading. Exhibiting the profound creativity of many Filipinos, my Facebook accommodated a series of updates relating Genesis 8:7-12 to the fact that it was 8/7/12.


http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/10108-rh-bill-and-an-unnamed-monsoon
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #652 on: Aug 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM »
Don't be naive.  

Religious arguments are never settled.  It doesn't matter what either side says.      

"Once and for all"?  ---- Wehhh ... :D

I have stopped debating/polemics, not with the debates "outside" our own circle(Evangelical) but internal debates. ;D

Arminianism vs. Calvinism

Other issues are not really that hard to settle. :)
Agree to Disagree.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #653 on: Aug 10, 2012 at 04:29 PM »
I have stopped debating/polemics, not with the debates "outside" our own circle(Evangelical) but internal debates. ;D

Arminianism vs. Calvinism

Other issues are not really that hard to settle. :)
Agree to Disagree.

Nakow. pagka-haba habang usapan yan. Both naman kasi is in the Bible.

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« Reply #654 on: Aug 10, 2012 at 04:34 PM »
ay, I should have said:

I have stopped debating/polemics, not because of the debates "outside" our own circle (Evangelical) but internal debates. ;D

^ Well nah, one of the Interpretations are wrong, but offcourse that's why there are debates. :D

I'm sure yung iba nahihiya lang bumaligtad, pero desisyon na nila yon, Christian(Evangelical) ka parin naman either/or belief eh. hehe

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #657 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 07:22 AM »
Attended mass yesterday. The priest said that the only reason why we should believe in God is the promise of everlasting life. Is that really the reason? Years back, a priest also said that there are 3 reasons why we believe in God.

1. So that we go to Heaven
2. So we will not go to Hell
3. Because he is God.

The reason should be because he is God. I thought priests should preach the same.. What is your reason?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #658 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 09:58 AM »



Lahat naman talaga ipinanganak na atheist e. saka lang nagkakaroon ng concept ng God after maturuan.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #659 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM »
Attended mass yesterday. The priest said that the only reason why we should believe in God is the promise of everlasting life. Is that really the reason? Years back, a priest also said that there are 3 reasons why we believe in God.

1. So that we go to Heaven
2. So we will not go to Hell
3. Because he is God.

The reason should be because he is God. I thought priests should preach the same.. What is your reason?

I agree, for me in addition would be:

1. Creation

2. History/Historical Data - and correct interpretation with proper "philosophical" Framework and some science(?). E.g. Philosophy of Science.
Ayos din ito pang disprove ng other "religions". e.g. Islam.

3. Transcendental Proof/Apologetics - parang sa Historical narin, refer to my item #2. Add narin natin Math. :)
4. Personal Experience - got hooked with the New Testament given to me by Gideon Int' nung elementary ako sa Lutheran School. John 6:44, and the 5 Spiritual Laws (and their supporting verses)

5. Source of Morals etc - The mantra "All have sinned" should have a positive "effect" on all people imho.  :) <- Which is the 1st Spiritual Law hehe.

^ I think mine is covered. ^_^
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