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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #450 on: Feb 01, 2013 at 06:13 PM »
Watch and share this video about evolution to others. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdddbYILel0

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #451 on: Feb 10, 2013 at 09:49 PM »
Watch and share this video about evolution to others. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdddbYILel0

Well made, but still flawed presentation....here are some questionable statements.

"The theory of Evolution has NEVER demanded presence of transitional species"
   -This statement seem to contradict Darwin's claim in his Book: If my theory were true...numberless   intermediate varieties....must assuredly have existed.

"There is evidence that one animal evolved directly from another"
    -Where is this Evidence?
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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #452 on: Feb 11, 2013 at 01:27 PM »
"There is evidence that one animal evolved directly from another"
    -Where is this Evidence?

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #453 on: Feb 14, 2013 at 03:37 PM »
Well made, but still flawed presentation....here are some questionable statements.

"The theory of Evolution has NEVER demanded presence of transitional species"
   -This statement seem to contradict Darwin's claim in his Book: If my theory were true...numberless   intermediate varieties....must assuredly have existed.

"There is evidence that one animal evolved directly from another"
    -Where is this Evidence?


give us more fund... and we will dig more to find that evidence... whoooooo... money money money...
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« Reply #454 on: Feb 14, 2013 at 03:43 PM »
give us more fund... and we will dig more to find that evidence... whoooooo... money money money...

I'd rather give money to these guys than to organized religion anyway.

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« Reply #455 on: Feb 14, 2013 at 04:09 PM »
I'd rather give money to these guys than to organized religion anyway.

well... they are the same.... they just want money from their believers....
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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #456 on: Feb 18, 2013 at 08:30 PM »
well... they are the same.... they just want money from their believers....

yeah, no they're not. scientists need money to discover the truth while organized religion and religious fanatics want money to suppress the truth, other than profiteering of course.

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« Reply #457 on: Feb 19, 2013 at 06:56 AM »
i just watch Dawkins vs Cardinal Perrel of Australia in Q&A. vid is available at youtube. Is the Catholic Church now saying evolution can be God's way of creation and the Adam and Eve story is mythology?

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« Reply #458 on: Feb 06, 2014 at 12:01 AM »
watch Bill Nye burn Ken Ham in this Evolution vs Creation debate:

http://io9.com/watch-bill-nye-debate-the-creation-musum-live-right-1516136046

personally, Bill Nye shouldn't have bothered debating with Ken Ham as it is a complete waste of time and gives exposure to these people.

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« Reply #459 on: Feb 06, 2014 at 01:09 AM »
I think a scientist who is a devout Christian would be a more interesting debating partner for Ken Ham so that his audience will not view him as an Enemy and would be more open-minded to what he has to say.

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« Reply #460 on: Feb 06, 2014 at 08:19 PM »
Pat Robertson Disagrees With Creationist Ken Ham, Says 'Let's Not Make A Joke Of Ourselves'

Bill Nye "The Science Guy's" highly anticipated debate with Ken Ham of the Creation Museum had a lot of people talking-- including televangelist Pat Robertson, who implored Ham to stop making creationists look bad, according to Raw Story.

In a video of his appearance on the 700 Club TV program, captured by Right Wing Watch, Robertson reacted to the debate between Ham and Nye by reiterating his previously stated belief that Young Earth Creationism is false.

"There ain't no way that's possible," he said, referring to the belief put forth by Bishop James Ussher that the earth is 6,000 years old.

"We have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back 65 million years," Robertson stated. "To say it all dates back to 6,000 years is just nonsense."

That's not to say that Robertson doesn't believe in creationism at all, however. He puts his faith in a God-guided evolutionary process, declaring "I believe that God started it all, and he is in charge of all of it. But the fact that you have progressive evolution under his control, that doesn't hurt my faith at all."

His point of view is not uncommon. A recent Pew Research survey revealed that 24 percent of U.S. adults that believe that humans have evolved over time think that a supreme being guided the process.

"No one knows what caused the Big Bang, but I say God did it," asserted Robertson on the 700 club.

Robertson went on to say that Ussher "was just off" with his estimation of 6,000 years for the age of the earth.

"Let's be real," he said. "Let's not make a joke of ourselves."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/05/pat-robertson-creationism-ken-ham_n_4733625.html

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« Reply #461 on: Jun 21, 2014 at 02:25 PM »
Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools



UK government: "The requirement on every academy and free school to provide a broad and balanced curriculum … prevents the teaching of creationism as evidence based theory in any academy or free school.”

The United Kingdom has banned the teaching of creationism as scientifically valid in all schools receiving public funding.

The government released a new set of funding agreements last week including clauses which specifically prohibit pseudoscience.

"The parties acknowledge that clauses 2.43 and 2.44 of the Funding Agreement [which preclude the teaching of pseudoscience and require the teaching of evolution] apply to all academies. They explicitly require that pupils are taught about the theory of evolution, and prevent academy trusts from teaching 'creationism' as scientific fact," one clause reads.

The funding agreement defines creationism as "any doctrine or theory which holds that natural biological processes cannot account for the history, diversity, and complexity of life on earth and therefore rejects the scientific theory of evolution," and goes on to note that this idea is rejected not only by the scientific community but most mainstream churches as well.

"It does not accord with the scientific consensus or the very large body of established scientific evidence; nor does it accurately and consistently employ the scientific method, and as such it should not be presented to pupils at the Academy as a scientific theory," the agreement states.

The funding agreement notes that the discussion of beliefs about the origin of the Earth including creationism are permitted in religious education "as long as it is not presented as a valid alternative to established scientific theory."

The British Humanist Association has been lobbying against the instruction of creationism since 2011 with its Teach Evolutionism, Not Creationism campaign.

The BHA is currently celebrating the UK government's declaration that "the requirement on every academy and free school to provide a broad and balanced curriculum ... prevents the teaching of creationism as evidence based theory in any academy or free school."

"We believe that this means that the objectives of the campaign are largely met. We congratulate the Government on its robust stance on this issue," said BHA Head of Public Affairs Pavan Dhaliwal in a statement on the organization's website.

The United Kingdom's position on creationism in the classroom and public discourse is an interesting parallel to the United States', where celebrity scientist BIll Nye engages in public debate about the validity of creationism and two states, South Carolina and Missouri, saw anti-evolution bills proposed in the last month.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/06/18/Teaching-creationism-as-scientifically-valid-now-banned-in-all-UK-public-schools/5631403128922/#ixzz35FgUmZOI

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #462 on: Jun 23, 2014 at 05:45 PM »
Children taught "a lie" at Christian schools, says Bristol broadcaster Alice Roberts

A SCIENCE curriculum used by private Christian schools across the UK, including one in Bristol, has been criticised by broadcaster and scientist Professor Alice Roberts.

She said the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) curriculum, which is used at Carmel Christian School in Brislington, taught "a lie" to pupils about the theory of evolution.

The school, which teaches Creationism in science, undergoes Ofsted inspections but does not have the content of its curriculum scrutinised.

Appearing on BBC2’s Newsnight Prof Roberts, a former pupil at the Red Maids’ School in Westbury-on-Trym and president of the Association of Science Education, took issue with Creationism being taught in ACE school science lessons.

She said: “No evidence has come to light which disproves evolution despite what the ACE text books say.

“The Government is quite clear that science should be taught as a comprehensive, coherent and extensively evidenced theory. That’s their own advice to free schools, so we have one rule for state-funded schools but when it comes to private schools, we don’t seem to mind if science is not taught properly or not.

“There should be standards (in private schools) - Ofsted does visit them. Standards should include the content of the curriculum and not just the quality of the teaching and leadership which is what Ofsted has done before.

“Partly in response to the Birmingham schools (Trojan Horse Islamic extremism), Ofsted will hopefully have a tighter inspection regime coming into play where they look at the content of curricular.

“The ACE text books say evolution is a scientifically unsound theory, which is patently untrue - this is a lie children are being taught.

“The issue is that the Department for Education and Government, which holds a view on this, which says that evolution should be taught as a comprehensive, coherent and extensively evidence theory, should be extended to independent schools when assessing standards in independent schools.”

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Children-taught-lie-Christian-schools-says/story-21250043-detail/story.html#ixzz35SBBr2S2

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Re: Creation or Evolution - articles and discussion
« Reply #463 on: Jul 31, 2014 at 11:16 AM »
The human race is seemingly evolving again. Yung mga lalaki nagiging babae ang mga babae nagiging lalaki. We now have two more additional human species, di ba?
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« Reply #464 on: Jul 31, 2014 at 11:40 AM »
The human race is seemingly evolving again. Yung mga lalaki nagiging babae ang mga babae nagiging lalaki. We now have two more additional human species, di ba?

Nope. pag sinabing one species ibig sabihin members can mate with each other. Sa dogs kahit iba iba itsura nila at sizes still one species pa rin kasi pwede sila mag-mate and produce an offspring. 

pag hindi magkakaanak, then two distinct species na yun.

I read Dawkins' book about speciation (if that was the actual term he used, i forgot), and he explained this simply using a time machine explanation. he said na pag bumalik ka sa time at any given period yung maaabutan mo sa period na yun ay one species na pwede magreproduce, balik ka ng 10 thousand years and though may kaunting changes na sa species pwede pa ring magreproduce dun sa inabutan mong una 10000 years after. pero kung malayong agwat ang tinalon mo say 50 million years, kahit daw makita mong magkahawig pa rin sila, most probably magkaibang species na sila.

his point is there is no single event/moment or period in time na masasabi mong ito ang unang tao galing sa ape ancestor kasi daw ang point of reference mo would be much similar sa subject mo.

isa pa nyang example ay ganito: yung picture mo nung bata ka at ngayon ay magkaiba di ba? kasi you are looking at exact moments, ganun din daw ang evolution. pero sa araw araw na buhay mo nagbabagao ka at tumatanda, pero there was no particular day or moment na masasabi mong di na ako bata, matanda na ako because the transition between them is not sudden.

kaya mali yung nagiisip na ang evolution ay unggoy kahapon tapos paggising mo ngayong umaga tao na.


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« Reply #465 on: Aug 02, 2014 at 08:19 AM »
Lately kasi me case na na feature sa TV na dalawa ang organ ng lalaki kaya namili na lang siya, tsk tsk tsk pang ilang case nato that is why I am saying nag-eevolve na yata ang tao ulit. bakamangyari nyan next time at hindi ito ma check mabubuntis na nya miusmo ang sarili nya, so baka ito ang sinasabi mong a unique species that can reproduce itself hehe! 
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« Reply #466 on: Aug 02, 2014 at 08:33 AM »
Lately kasi me case na na feature sa TV na dalawa ang organ ng lalaki kaya namili na lang siya, tsk tsk tsk pang ilang case nato that is why I am saying nag-eevolve na yata ang tao ulit. bakamangyari nyan next time at hindi ito ma check mabubuntis na nya miusmo ang sarili nya, so baka ito ang sinasabi mong a unique species that can reproduce itself hehe! 

complete po ba both reproductive system or un genital lang nagkasabay?
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« Reply #467 on: Aug 02, 2014 at 11:39 AM »
Dont really know kung buo repro system nya pero obvious yung male and female organ. Now if this happens baka there will be a time that the next case will be different if in case meron siya male and female repro, then this will be a new species.

In our environment there are always new life sprouting here and there. Is this evolution or creation?
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« Reply #468 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 05:49 PM »
For some reason, naalala ko itong thread na ito when I was reading this:

Paleo Diet

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« Reply #469 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 05:55 PM »
Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools
Dito ba sa PH, tinuturo sa schools as scientifically valid ang creation story?

If it is being taught in religion / christian living class, is it being taught as a symbolical story? Or is it being taught as something that actually happened?

It's been a long time since I was in school and my kid is not yet old enough to be in school, so I just wanted to ask.

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« Reply #470 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 06:35 PM »
I haven't backread pero ano nga yung "science" na pwede daw ang "Something can come out from Absolutely Nothing"?

Quantum Physics ba yon?
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« Reply #471 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 08:40 PM »
I haven't backread pero ano nga yung "science" na pwede daw ang "Something can come out from Absolutely Nothing"?

Quantum Physics ba yon?
Science doesn't even insinuate that. Scientist themselves are trying to figure out what happened before the big bang.

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« Reply #472 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 09:13 PM »
I haven't backread pero ano nga yung "science" na pwede daw ang "Something can come out from Absolutely Nothing"?

Quantum Physics ba yon?

meron ba nun?
paniniwala ko there's no such as thing as nothing. ganun din sa magic, there's no such thing as magic.
ang "nothing" nga sa bible means "something that cannot be seen". at base sa interpretation ko, wala din naman magic sa bible.
 
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« Reply #473 on: Aug 05, 2014 at 09:31 PM »
Dito ba sa PH, tinuturo sa schools as scientifically valid ang creation story?

afaik, walang tinuturong ganyan kahit sa catholic school.

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If it is being taught in religion / christian living class, is it being taught as a symbolical story? Or is it being taught as something that actually happened?

it is being taught as what actually happened. minsan may comment nga lang na ang fruit o apple daw, ang symbolic. hehe.

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« Reply #474 on: Aug 06, 2014 at 01:28 AM »
afaik, walang tinuturong ganyan kahit sa catholic school.

it is being taught as what actually happened. minsan may comment nga lang na ang fruit o apple daw, ang symbolic. hehe.


i remember back when i was in highschool sa science class sinasabi na hindi literal ang 7 day creation. i was taught in a catholic school but even then i find it hard to believe yung creation story.

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« Reply #475 on: Aug 06, 2014 at 07:38 AM »
Science doesn't even insinuate that. Scientist themselves are trying to figure out what happened before the big bang.

Yeh sa "Philosophy"/Logic side nga siya kasi siguro di science. :)

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« Reply #476 on: Aug 06, 2014 at 07:47 AM »
Science doesn't even insinuate that. Scientist themselves are trying to figure out what happened before the big bang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U

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« Reply #477 on: Aug 06, 2014 at 08:00 AM »
^ Hmm.. Reading sa comments if true, yung Krauss all in pala sa Incest, related don sa thread na isa.

Anyway on topic, actually sa IMDB discussion ko atah nabasa yung "physics" na yon, di ko na makita link, di ko rin maalala kung anong movie discussion yon.

Sa Noah ni Crowe board atah. :D
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« Reply #478 on: Aug 06, 2014 at 08:09 AM »
^ Hmm.. Reading sa comments if true, si Krauss all in pala sa Incest, related don sa thread na isa.

Anyway on topic, actually sa IMDB discussion ko atah nabasa yung "physics" na yon, di ko na makita link, di ko rin maalala kung anong movie discussion yon.

Sa Noah ni Crowe board atah. :D

sa isa (o ilang) books ni Dawkins diniscuss din niya yan

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« Reply #479 on: Oct 12, 2014 at 09:14 AM »
In an episode of Ancient Aliens on History one of the scientist said this on ancient knowledge:
"The big bang theory states that the universe started from infinitesimal point of light-energy, the bible said
In the beginning God said "let the be light". So in that instance Faith and Science converge!"
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