Topic: PBA Season 37

[Nikkie]

Pwede pa rin sa SM.

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[thenorthface]

thanks sa info bros, will watch live soon

[-sniper-]

the Ginkings:

with chris alexander ---  2-1
with jackson vroman --- 1-2

loverboy eala must be profusely sweating by now....

[ivannn]

pero i still believe na mas okay sila with vroman. consistency lang on finishing the games ang kailangan and yung rotation ng players ni coach siot kailangan ma-optimize.

[♡ lvcdg23™ ✌]

Kailangan ni Vroman magpractice ng free throws. Sandamakmak minimintis kada laro. Below 50% ang average...

[-sniper-]

pero i still believe na mas okay sila with vroman. consistency lang on finishing the games ang kailangan and yung rotation ng players ni coach siot kailangan ma-optimize.

consistency has always been the chink in ginebra's armor.

Kailangan ni Vroman magpractice ng free throws. Sandamakmak minimintis kada laro. Below 50% ang average...

yup. he has the lowest free throw percentage among the crop of imports -- a very dismal 40%. "hack-a-shaq" strategy is not far behind.

[newwaveboy]

Still early to say I-told-you-so ...... like I've posted earlier, I would have preferred that BGK retained Chris Alexander - assuming his conditioning progresses of course.

I've always felt that BGK doesnt need an alpha-scorer import, since they're already loaded with scorers (moreso when Ababou & Raymundo came onboard) ..... Chris Alexander provided what they needed the most e.g. solid post defense, solid rebounding & the occasional putback.

Don't get me wrong, Vroman had the buzz in international hoops and he has proven to be equal to the hype ..... very agile for his size, gung-ho attitude and highly skilled.

BGK may yet hit its stride ..... just need to win 2/3 remaining games to make it to the playoffs.


OT: Vroman needs some work on his FT's ..... his misses all look the same - straight-line misses that end up short on the front rim. His FT shot is straight, which shows he has a decent release ..... might need to tweak a bit. 

[Onkyo606]

i think alexander is a better fit for ginebra, parang palaging off yung galaw ni vroman at di synch sa galaw ng buong team parang kontra tyempo eh, nasisira yung flow ng offense ng team. with alexander, halos lahat ng apat na ibang members ng team na nasa loob pwedeng pumukol with confidence as opposed to with  vroman, parang naging tentative di malaman kung i shoot nila o ipapasa kay vroman, ewan ko kung tama observations ko

[newwaveboy]

i think alexander is a better fit for ginebra, parang palaging off yung galaw ni vroman at di synch sa galaw ng buong team parang kontra tyempo eh, nasisira yung flow ng offense ng team. with alexander, halos lahat ng apat na ibang members ng team na nasa loob pwedeng pumukol with confidence as opposed to with  vroman, parang naging tentative di malaman kung i shoot nila o ipapasa kay vroman, ewan ko kung tama observations ko

That was the nice thing about Alexander's game ..... he blended with the offense, since he had many offensive minded teammates - basically a role player and obviously not a heavy scorer.

Alpha-scorers like Vroman will have that effect sometimes - the other players will tend to watch while he has the ball.

Vroman needs some work on his FT's and he needs to tone down on his emotions (which was a big concern even before he came over).

He seems to have little conscience in defense, having a tendency to poke, hack & grab when posted by the opposing import ..... he's had his problems keeping his fouls.

Still, Vroman is good as advertised ...... should BGK make the playoffs, they might hit their stride (much like POWERADE last conference) and make a serious challenge to TnT.

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I like that Siot seems to recognize the value of Ababou, by giving him good minutes ..... Ababou can defend like hell and can score within the flow of the offense.

It's hard to balance minutes within an uber-loaded team ..... something that Chot Reyes has learned to do with his TnT team.

[Onkyo606]

I like that Siot seems to recognize the value of Ababou, by giving him good minutes ..... Ababou can defend like hell and can score within the flow of the offense.

It's hard to balance minutes within an uber-loaded team ..... something that Chot Reyes has learned to do with his TnT team.

everytime i get a glimpse ng bench ng BGK, nang hihinayang ako para sa ibang team, daming magaling na natutulog na lang sa bangko nila, it would have been nice seeing them play and not languish in the bench. sana pamigay na lang sa iba yung katulad ni hoffer at canaleta

[newwaveboy]

everytime i get a glimpse ng bench ng BGK, nang hihinayang ako para sa ibang team, daming magaling na natutulog na lang sa bangko nila, it would have been nice seeing them play and not languish in the bench. sana pamigay na lang sa iba yung katulad ni hoffer at canaleta

Spot on ..... BGK hasn't even seen the likes of Menk, Maierhoffer & Maliksi play ...... very few minutes so far for both Wilsons, Villanueva, Canaleta & Labagala.

There is no way in hell that Noli "Loverboy" Eala will allow a thin roster for any of the SMC teams ...... his mission has always been to beat TnT by stacking his teams with talent; without any regard to ethics, professionalism & perceived salary cap violations.

Tim Cone himself has seen the problems that an ultra-loaded lineup presents ..... too many cooks spoil the broth.

Tim Cone has kept his rotation very tight (which he has always done) ..... only 8-9 usually get to play. He has even relegated Roger Yap to the bench - that Yap himself opted out of the PBA recently.

Most coaches would likely give a guy like Japeth Aguilar good minutes ...... yet Chot Reyes has realized that the guy is still too raw & has relegated him to the bench for sometime now. 

[Onkyo606]

Spot on ..... BGK hasn't even seen the likes of Menk, Maierhoffer & Maliksi play ...... very few minutes so far for both Wilsons, Villanueva, Canaleta & Labagala.

There is no way in hell that Noli "Loverboy" Eala will allow a thin roster for any of the SMC teams ...... his mission has always been to beat TnT by stacking his teams with talent; without any regard to ethics, professionalism & perceived salary cap violations.

Tim Cone himself has seen the problems that an ultra-loaded lineup presents ..... too many cooks spoil the broth.

Tim Cone has kept his rotation very tight (which he has always done) ..... only 8-9 usually get to play. He has even relegated Roger Yap to the bench - that Yap himself opted out of the PBA recently.

Most coaches would likely give a guy like Japeth Aguilar good minutes ...... yet Chot Reyes has realized that the guy is still too raw & has relegated him to the bench for sometime now. 

in the case of tim cone, he defines the role of his players very well and is not a sucker for getting all the best only to freeze them in the bench, Roger Yap has been a soild PG his entire years but between him and PJ Simon, id play Simon more because he is instant offense and is very intense, Yap's plight was not helped by the heads up play of barroca, who has been very solid and is playing like a veteran already, Yaps playing time would definitely dwindle with Barroca playing like this all the time.

I pity Maliksi considering he is the MVP of the PBA D League, he would have flourished say playing for Barako Bull or Powerade(is this his former team?)

[newwaveboy]

in the case of tim cone, he defines the role of his players very well and is not a sucker for getting all the best only to freeze them in the bench, Roger Yap has been a soild PG his entire years but between him and PJ Simon, id play Simon more because he is instant offense and is very intense, Yap's plight was not helped by the heads up play of barroca, who has been very solid and is playing like a veteran already, Yaps playing time would definitely dwindle with Barroca playing like this all the time.

I pity Maliksi considering he is the MVP of the PBA D League, he would have flourished say playing for Barako Bull or Powerade(is this his former team?)

Even with ALASKA, Tim Cone never had the luxury of an ultra-loaded lineup ...... hence, a tight rotation of 8-9 players is always ensured. His triangle system basically doesnt need great individual scorers.

Indeed Urbiztondo & Barroca's (both courtesy of Bert "Pimp Daddy" Lina by the way) play has rendered Roger Yap to the end of the bench ..... just to show what an ultra-loaded lineup that BMEG has - PG Jonas Villanueva is also part of the lineup.

Maliksi will indeed be wasted in BGK's bench ..... he was doing great guns for BARAKO BULL, when the inevitable happened - Bert "Pimp Daddy" Lina sold este traded him to SMC, just after 1 conference.

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In recent news: ALASKA owner Wilfred Uytengsu has sold his company to Dutch firm Royal Friesland Campina ...... Uytengsu still retains his post as CEO and has vowed to retain the PBA franchise.

Dutch aren't known as basketball followers, so we'll see what happens next season.

It would be a pity if ever ALASKA, the lone bastion of integrity in the PBA, folds up next.

[♡ lvcdg23™ ✌]

GINEBRA!!!
GINEBRA!!!
GINEBRA!!!
 
 
 

Hanep ang Rudy Hatfield...

[wengkapre]

Ang galing ni the H-Bomb! booom!!!
parang rookie 

[ivannn]

buti na lang H-Bomb to the rescue! =)

ilagay sa bench si labagala... di maganda na siya ang starting PG.

Caidic and samboy lim should really spend time teaching Vroman to shoot FTs. saw Vroman during warmups and he was calmly making his FTs. maybe they should teach him to just focus on the goal and not mind the crowd and other factors (score, time left on the game, game situation). basta parang sa commercial ni haywood workman dati "just release"

[-sniper-]

1 of 14 free throws. darn! if vroman made it 2 for 14, the game would have gone into overtime.

rudy hatfield was a monster! good thing he exploded last night.

[ivannn]

yep. buti na lang maganda gising ni H-Bomb kahapon. may times kasi na kahit mga layups niya eh di pumapasok.

btw, is ali peek on the injured list? kung nandun yun siya yesterday, the game would've been different kasi may isa pang defender sa ilalim and yung mga cuts ni H-Bomb that lead to layups baka naiba ang outcome.

[Onkyo606]

1 of 14 free throws. darn! if vroman made it 2 for 14, the game would have gone into overtime.

rudy hatfield was a monster! good thing he exploded last night.

i dont think they should be keeping an import like this, ang iksi ng tournament wala ng time matuto pa yan ng freethrow, in a close game and it happens frequently, he will become a liability as they will just keep on fouling him, balik na lang si alexander

[-sniper-]

balik na lang si alexander

he should have not been junked in the first place. what he lacked in scoring, he made up on rebounds and intimidation. also, he is familiar with the moves of the gin kings' main players and would know where to find them on the court or where to set up a screen. charismatic pa, compared to vroman who seems to be a snub.

...ali peek...kung nandun yun siya yesterday, the game would've been different kasi may isa pang defender sa ilalim and yung mga cuts ni H-Bomb that lead to layups baka naiba ang outcome.

maybe, maybe not...looking at it, most of hatfield's points were either on fast breaks or from the perimeter.

[ivannn]

alexander is also a nightmare on the FT. bigyan pa natin ng time to adjust to the local game si vroman.

yesterday, even though matindi ang FT ni vroman at 1/14, we saw him playing D, gettin rebounds and setting up other guys. marami sa mga points ni H-Bomb was due to Vroman's inside passes that lead to easy layups. healthy teammate din siya kasi masipag sa laro and can even guard smaller players when switched off during screens.

the hack-a-vroman may be done by other teams but i'll take my chances with him at this point in the tournament. i believe they should keep him as an import.

[anya618]

bakit kadalasan pag matangkad bano sa free throw?

[ivannn]

bakit kadalasan pag matangkad bano sa free throw?

di lang nila na-develop as part of their game when they were still learning the basics. pero there are big men din naman that are good FT shooters (yao ming, dirk nowitzki etc.)

pwede rin due to the size of their hands eh hindi maganda ang ball control nila from the FT Line. iba rin naman kasi ang effort when passing the ball or throwing the ball. pag FT attempt kasi for a big man eh mas mataas ang accuracy na kailangan and kailangan smooth ang bitaw.

[wengkapre]

“That’s also a big concern of mine,” said Tanquingcen, referring to Vroman’s poor free throw shooting. “When he came in, he wasn’t shooting that bad. In China, he was a 65% shooter and he’s shooting not as bad right now. I think it’s more mental. It’s hard to survive a game with him missing those free throws. He’s working on it naman sa ensayo, kasama si (assistant) coach Allan (Caidic) and he was making those shots consistently. It’s hard to explain, why he shoots that bad now, it’s a mystery for us.

IMO, malaking factor din sa shooting yung mask, syempre kahit sino naman na di sanay na may nakalagay sa mukha nya kahit na ba clear or transparent e maski papano nakakabawas din ng clear view of the goal, except Rip Hamilton dahil years na syang naglalaro na may mask kaya sanay na sanay na yun, mas magmimintis pa nga yun sa shooting nya pag walang mask    yung kahinaan nya pwedeng pwede nyang gamitin as asset, he knows na everytime na nasa kanya yung bola sa post, alam na alam nya dapat na fa-foulin lang sya ng bantay nya, so yung team mates nya like what Hatfield did last night, cut lang ng cut & go for the strong layup, kahit nandun si Peek, hindi sya makakasabay sa laro dahil ang bilis ng phasing ng laro kagabi, si Dilinger nga lawit dila na e kakatakbo, sya pa kaya  
Possible din na may fatigue factor din, kasi yung consecutive na kapos freethrows, pagod na yun pag ganun or dehydrated na sya dahil mahina na yung muscles nya, pedialyte pa nga yung iniinom nya to rehydrate his body...malamang di pa nakakapag adjust si Vroman sa climate dito sa 'Pinas...
On the other hand, bumawi naman si Vroman on the other aspects of the game, like those great passes from him to Hatfield, he also blocked castro's fast break layup before mag o.t., he even saved the ball after Fonacier looses it again off castro's layup...as long as masipag at mautak syang maglaro, hindi sya siguro bibitawan ng Ginebra mgmt...

[♡ lvcdg23™ ✌]

Hindi lang naman dahil may isa kang weakness eh dapat bitawan ka na agad ng team.
Malaki din naman contribution ni Vroman in terms of scoring, defense, assist and rebounds.
Dapat try to maximize what you have hindi yung palit agad nasa isip especially nasa critical stage kana nang tournament...

[Onkyo606]

bakit kadalasan pag matangkad bano sa free throw?

di naman palagi sir anya,

yung malalaking tao mas malalaki ang palad pero mas malaki din ang braso kaya mas powerful, nawawala yung spin when shooting the ball and nag rely sa power ng buong hand instead ng pulso lang pero theres nothing na di makukuha sa training, ang daming malalaki na magaling sa freethrow

[anya618]

di naman palagi sir anya,

yung malalaking tao mas malalaki ang palad pero mas malaki din ang braso kaya mas powerful, nawawala yung spin when shooting the ball and nag rely sa power ng buong hand instead ng pulso lang pero theres nothing na di makukuha sa training, ang daming malalaki na magaling sa freethrow

kadalasan kasi napapansin ko ung mga center mahina sa free throw especially sa nba

[Onkyo606]

o sya tingnan na lang natin kung tamang desisyon na kinuha si vroman, pag pumasok sila sa semis moreso sa finals, it was a good decision, pag hindi, sablay ang coach at mga locals nila.

[Onkyo606]

kadalasan kasi napapansin ko ung mga center mahina sa free throw especially sa nba

lalo na si shaq wag mo panoorin mag FT yun sakit sa mata hehehehe pero si tim duncan, yao ming, ilgauskus parang lagi namang shoot pag nakikita ko mag freethrow,

[wengkapre]

di naman palagi sir anya,

yung malalaking tao mas malalaki ang palad pero mas malaki din ang braso kaya mas powerful, nawawala yung spin when shooting the ball and nag rely sa power ng buong hand instead ng pulso lang pero theres nothing na di makukuha sa training, ang daming malalaki na magaling sa freethrow

I second the motion your honor  
Di lang naman po yung malalaking tao lang ang mahina sa FTs, may mga point guards din po na kaygaling sa midrange to 3pt shots pero nanginginig pag dating naman sa FTs, example. remember Olsen Racela sa seagames? 4 FTs nga ba yun namintis nya? even James Yap, kung kelan crucial saka nagmimintis sa FTs.  Pero hinding hindi ko makakalimutan si Allan Caidic noon, Most consecutive 76 free throw shots made  , grabe ang focus at ang tindi talaga ng shooting nya,bihirang-bihirang mag ka off-night si triggerman,  kinakakatakutan nga sya noon sa buong asia dahil sa napakataas na shooting percentage nya! wala na ata tayong pure shooters ngayon, masyado nang nagconcentrate sa crossover moves, fade aways, dunk, etc.