Author Topic: Surplus amps (Read 991079 times)

sandawa · « **Reply #1230 on:** Dec 19, 2004 at 10:11 AM »

you can't go wrong by bookmarking this site: http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/index.html.
use Altavista Babelfish to translate Japanese to English.

many of the models shown on that site, with original prices of 100,000 yen or more ($900 and above) are among Japan's best audio issued commercially in 70s and 80s. they arrive here (as well as in Vietnam, Indonesia and southern China) as surplus/junk units. as far as i'm concerned, the quality of those units, assuming they're A-1 condition, is better than brand new units/models you buy here at P60K, or more.

if local distributors were able to get these from Japan during their heydays, they'd likely to be quoted at much more than their list prices. such was the case in UK for good Japanese audio imports. for instance, Sansui Alpha 707 in Hifi-Choice 1991 had a 1,600 pounds list price and Alpha 907 had 2,000 pounds (or over P200K). those quotes were higher compared with most of their (British) high-end models. remember that British audio sold here now comprises mostly entry to low-middle models. i bought my Alpha 907 at P8K here in Davao two years ago, Alpha 707 was available here a month ago at P4K (warehouse as-is price - could go up to P7K in retail shop) and Alpha 607, with a few units still unsold, at P5K, good condition, shop price.

H a n $ · « **Reply #1231 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 03:35 PM »

Guys just gone to the supermarket last Friday and saw this beauty..

Victor AX-Z921 Digital Basic Intergrated Amplifier K2 ( w/ build in DAC )

Tested it and hay nauwi ko na rin tuloy..

H a n $ · « **Reply #1232 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 03:48 PM »

btw I used this amp for HT and audio and used its DAC for both..

kid · « **Reply #1233 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 04:10 PM »

Galeng mo Master! may bagong toy ka na naman pala..... sana madinig namin yan sa 30th

H a n $ · « **Reply #1234 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 04:14 PM »

Quote from: punk kid on Dec 22, 2004 at 04:10 PM

Galeng mo Master! may bagong toy ka na naman pala..... sana madinig namin yan sa 30th

Sure KID_lat..

na swap tuloy yun ever reliable Denon PMA-840D ( w/ DAC ) din..

kid · « **Reply #1235 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 04:21 PM »

Kala ko nga solve ka na dun sa DEnon amp mo master

yun pala pinagpalit mo agad

H a n $ · « **Reply #1236 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 04:53 PM »

KID_lat,

Kala ko rin senor.. SARS attack agad..

kid · « **Reply #1237 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 05:02 PM »

Iba talaga pag SARS carrier... bilis mag react

ako nga, nangangati din dun sa Technics na power amp kaso 83 watts lang

tx · « **Reply #1238 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 05:15 PM »

Quote from: hans adriane on Dec 22, 2004 at 03:35 PM

Guys just gone to the supermarket last Friday and saw this beauty..

Victor AX-Z921 Digital Basic Intergrated Amplifier K2 ( w/ build in DAC )

Tested it and hay nauwi ko na rin tuloy..

Hans,

by how much?

glr · « **Reply #1239 on:** Dec 22, 2004 at 09:19 PM »

Quote from: sandawa on Dec 19, 2004 at 10:11 AM

you can't go wrong by bookmarking this site: http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/index.html.
use Altavista Babelfish to translate Japanese to English.

many of the models shown on that site, with original prices of 100,000 yen or more ($900 and above) are among Japan's best audio issued commercially in 70s and 80s. they arrive here (as well as in Vietnam, Indonesia and southern China) as surplus/junk units. as far as i'm concerned, the quality of those units, assuming they're A-1 condition, is better than brand new units/models you buy here at P60K, or more.

if local distributors were able to get these from Japan during their heydays, they'd likely to be quoted at much more than their list prices. such was the case in UK for good Japanese audio imports. for instance, Sansui Alpha 707 in Hifi-Choice 1991 had a 1,600 pounds list price and Alpha 907 had 2,000 pounds (or over P200K). those quotes were higher compared with most of their (British) high-end models. remember that British audio sold here now comprise mostly entry to low-middle models. i bought my Alpha 907 at P8K here in Davao two years ago, Alpha 707 was available here a month ago at P4K (warehouse as-is price - could go up to P7K in retail shop) and Alpha 607, with a few units still unsold, at P5K, good condition, shop price.

Thanks sir Sandawa.... this helps!

H a n $ · « **Reply #1240 on:** Dec 23, 2004 at 09:19 AM »

Quote from: tx on Dec 22, 2004 at 05:15 PM

Hans,

by how much?

Bro 5,500 but i haggle kaya got it 5k flat..

tx · « **Reply #1241 on:** Dec 23, 2004 at 02:53 PM »

hans,

congrats on your new toy! marami pa ba mapipili doon?

glr · « **Reply #1242 on:** Dec 23, 2004 at 07:51 PM »

Quote from: hans adriane on Dec 23, 2004 at 09:19 AM

Bro 5,500 but i haggle kaya got it 5k flat..

sir hans, where you bought this stuff? i mean yung store location... tnx!

relay_70 · « **Reply #1243 on:** Dec 25, 2004 at 12:51 PM »

mga sir tanong ko lang kung meron po kayong info on this amp: Marantz esotec series sc-6
a friend of mine was offering it to me for swap... thanks

merry christmas to all!!!!

H a n $ · « **Reply #1244 on:** Dec 26, 2004 at 11:13 AM »

Quote from: tx on Dec 23, 2004 at 02:53 PM

hans,

congrats on your new toy! marami pa ba mapipili doon?

Limited na lang yun good models..

Quote from: glr on Dec 23, 2004 at 07:51 PM

sir hans, where you bought this stuff? i mean yung store location... tnx!

Bro sorry forgot the store pero sa pier yun.

sandawa · « **Reply #1245 on:** Dec 26, 2004 at 01:54 PM »

same here in Davao. limited na, di tulad ng dati. pero sa liit ng market dito (1/8 ng Metro Manila population), hindi ganun kabilis mabenta ang good models. lalo na pag nakatiyempo ka ng pagbubukas ng container van, kahit wala kang plano, mapapabili ka.

sarap lang sa surplus, yung budget for one brand new unit, kayang ibili ng 10 more powerful and superior units. that's assuming these are in A-1 condition. basta may available na Jap surplus, except speakers, malamang hindi na ako bibili ng brand new.

sawa na 'ko sa mahal. my first true hifi system in 1982 cost me an equivalent of 7 months salary. i bought my MF120 at HK$5,000 and Epos at HK$6,000 in Hong Kong brand new five years ago, my Accuphase e-302 discounted (old stock) at 100,000 yen in Tokyo in mid '90s (original list price 250,000 yen). nag-sisisi ako sa Musical Fidelity, pero hindi sa Epos at Accuphase.

southpeak · « **Reply #1246 on:** Dec 26, 2004 at 07:04 PM »

Quote from: relay_70 on Dec 25, 2004 at 12:51 PM

mga sir tanong ko lang kung meron po kayong info on this amp: Marantz esotec series sc-6
a friend of mine was offering it to me for swap... thanks

merry christmas to all!!!!

hi relay_70

i'm not sure if you've been thru this yet, but if not, check this out. according to these sites, the Marantz Esotec SC series are pre-amplifiers not amps. hope this helps..

http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/esotec.html
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5738046958&rd=1

relay_70 · « **Reply #1247 on:** Dec 26, 2004 at 07:55 PM »

Quote from: ARHC6 on Dec 26, 2004 at 07:04 PM

hi relay_70

i'm not sure if you've been thru this yet, but if not, check this out. according to these sites, the Marantz Esotec SC series are pre-amplifiers not amps. hope this helps..

http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/esotec.html
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14974&item=5738046958&rd=1

oops! sorry po typo error...yep its a pre amp sir.. actually nasakin na ang unit... grabe, nastock lang yata to dun sa bahay nung hapon..walang gasgas, kapal ngalang ng alikabok..
i am currently hooking it up on my onkyo integra 817xd....

based on the site you mentioned, im happy to know that esotec series was indeed a high end model from Marantz, a rare piece... kung meron lang sana kapares na amp to.. like yung PM-8..

pero i still have to test this... considering na 1980's pa yata to... baka nadegrade narin ang mga Pots nito...

abj104 · « **Reply #1248 on:** Jan 14, 2005 at 11:17 PM »

Sir AKYAT,
may naliligaw bang MARANTZ 2270 sa Pier?
and if ever ,how much yung presyo?
Familiar ka ba sa model na yun and can you comment sa 2270?
Thanks!

Gibson78 · « **Reply #1249 on:** Jan 19, 2005 at 03:33 PM »

Hello, question lang po. May budget ako na 3K, makakabili na ba ako ng matinong amp sa pier for this amount of money? Anong model/unit ang makukuha ko for this? Or should I just go for a NOS (new old stock) na NAD 310 for 5K? Eto yung specs ng NAD:

SPECIFICATION - NAD 310 INTEGRATED AMPLIFIER
Power Amplifier Section
Stereo Mode
CONTINUOUS AVERAGE POWER OUTPUT INTO 8    20 W
(Min. power per channel, 20Hz-20kHz, both
channels driven, with no more than rated
distortion)
Rated distortion (THD 20Hz-20kHz)       0.05%
Clipping power       25 W
(maximum continuous power per channel)
IHF dynamic headroom at 8       +3 dB
IHF dynamic power    8    :    40 W    (17 dBW)
4    :    60 W    (17.8 dBW)
2    :    80 W    (18.7 dBW)
Slew rate          >20 V/usec
Damping factor (ref. 8    50Hz)          >100
Input impedance       N/A
Input sensitivity (for rated power into 8    )    1 V
Voltage gain    X 60(35.6dB)
Frequency response    20Hz - 20kHz    + 0.3 dB
-3dB at 10Hz/70 kHz
Signal/Noise ratio, A weighted    Min. vol.. 100dB ref. 1W
THD (Total Harmonic Distortion, 20Hz-20kHz,    <0.05%
from 250mW to rated output)

Any other suggestions?

av_phile1 · « **Reply #1250 on:** Jan 19, 2005 at 03:55 PM »

Definitely, the NAD unit should free you of any risk involved in getting surplus amps. But for 5T, I'm pretty sure you can get a more powerful surplus amp with specs that are no different, if not better, than that NAD. Bear in mind that many of those surplus amps were Top-Of-The line units during their time. It's risky alright, the chances of getting lemons are higher. But once you get a good one, by most accounts here, it can prove to be a great value for the money.

qguy · « **Reply #1251 on:** Jan 19, 2005 at 04:51 PM »

Marantz 2270 ..one of the good, if not great and popular models of the old Marantz line

I dont think its practical to get receivers from Japan since the tuner sections does match with the Philipine settings...you wont get all the stations

Quote from: abj104 on Jan 14, 2005 at 11:17 PM

Sir AKYAT,
may naliligaw bang MARANTZ 2270 sa Pier?
and if ever ,how much yung presyo?
Familiar ka ba sa model na yun and can you comment sa 2270?
Thanks!

Gibson78 · « **Reply #1252 on:** Jan 20, 2005 at 03:25 PM »

So what units/models should I be looking for? The room size is about 30 sqm. I'm interested in what amps I can get for 5K? 4K? Even 3K? At the least, I can have a short list with the amps I should be watching out for when I go back.

Quote from: av_phile1 on Jan 19, 2005 at 03:55 PM

Definitely, the NAD unit should free you of any risk involved in getting surplus amps. But for 5T, I'm pretty sure you can get a more powerful surplus amp with specs that are no different, if not better, than that NAD. Bear in mind that many of those surplus amps were Top-Of-The line units during their time. It's risky alright, the chances of getting lemons are higher. But once you get a good one, by most accounts here, it can prove to be a great value for the money.

av_phile1 · « **Reply #1253 on:** Jan 20, 2005 at 05:09 PM »

Last I visited the pier there were many Sansui and Victor amps, with a sputtering of Yamaha and Teac brands. It's dificult to say what's out there, you just have to visit the place as new stocks that come in are unpredictable. Sometimes you's be lucky to spot a good one, in other times, they're just so-so. I would suggest that you be accompanied by someone knowledgeable in getting surplus amps at the pier. Maybe some members here would be willing to act as an advisor/guide for you.

av_phile1 · « **Reply #1254 on:** Jan 21, 2005 at 11:04 AM »

Quote from: Gibson78 on Jan 20, 2005 at 03:25 PM

So what units/models should I be looking for? The room size is about 30 sqm. I'm interested in what amps I can get for 5K? 4K? Even 3K? At the least, I can have a short list with the amps I should be watching out for when I go back.

I overlooked your room size which is above the typical. Unless you have a very sensitive speaker in the 90+db range, a 30sqm room could require more than 70watts RMS/ch of stereo to fill it with enough headroom for clean sound. Suggest you get a 100wattRMS stereo amp. There are many at the pier going around 5T which you can haggle for around 4T or less. Is this for music only? What's your speakers? Do you want room-filling sound? DO you play loud? No neighbors close by?

Gibson78 · « **Reply #1255 on:** Jan 21, 2005 at 07:33 PM »

I have Infinity and JBL Control bookshelves that I was planning on using, the room is actually a small bar - just for piped in music.

Quote from: av_phile1 on Jan 21, 2005 at 11:04 AM

I overlooked your room size which is above the typical. Unless you have a very sensitive speaker in the 90+db range, a 30sqm room could require more than 70watts RMS/ch of stereo to fill it with enough headroom for clean sound. Suggest you get a 100wattRMS stereo amp. There are many at the pier going around 5T which you can haggle for around 4T or less. Is this for music only? What's your speakers? Do you want room-filling sound? DO you play loud? No neighbors close by?

Vhongbiker · « **Reply #1256 on:** Feb 18, 2005 at 02:37 PM »

mga sir gusto ko lang malaman kung may naka try na ng EROICA HI FI STEREO RECEIVER?
wala akong makitang specs sa internet, baka may nakagamit na ng ganito.
review naman pls.

thanks.

don jose · « **Reply #1257 on:** Feb 19, 2005 at 03:34 PM »

sir gibson,
where can i get the nad c310(for 5k) you mentioned. i have AE evo1 and im planning to have a separate set-up for audio using the evo1.

im not experienced kasi on surplus amps, i might get lousy ones. maybe somebody here can give me a suggestion what to look for if ever i go to pier. di na siguro kailangan na malakas na amp, as long as it can drive my speakers decently.

thanks.

allvin_98 · « **Reply #1258 on:** Feb 19, 2005 at 04:00 PM »

Quote from: don jose on Feb 19, 2005 at 03:34 PM

sir gibson,
where can i get the nad c310(for 5k) you mentioned. i have AE evo1 and im planning to have a separate set-up for audio using the evo1.

im not experienced kasi on surplus amps, i might get lousy ones. maybe somebody here can give me a suggestion what to look for if ever i go to pier. di na siguro kailangan na malakas na amp, as long as it can drive my speakers decently.

thanks.

ok yan i-match ang NAD sa EVO1.mine NAD C300
5k lang un price ng NAD C310? 7.5k ang kuha ko sa pre-owned NADC300 with remote.

Weng! · « **Reply #1259 on:** Feb 22, 2005 at 02:35 PM »

mga sir,

tanong ko lang po kung familiar ba kayo sa Sansui A-707 integrated amp? maganda ba ang review nito during her time? nakita ko to sa bahay ng tito ko at na niya ginagamet, kaya hiningi ko. dala daw to nya galing saudi sometime in the 80's. ilang wpc po tong amp na to? sinubukan ko palang gamitin, medyo malakas din pero ang lakas lang uminit. onetime nag shutdown sya sa sobrang init siguro tapos nung lumamig na ok na naman. is this a serious defect on the amp or just a normal thermal protection that goes off?

salamat