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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #750 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:08 PM »
Cooltoyz, alam ko reason pero wala naman ako sa katungkulan para sabihin. Baka magkamali pa ako at lalo lang lumaki ang gulo. Yes thats what i mean hindi ako sigurado kaya ayaw ko magsalita. Magsasalita lang ako sa isang bagay na talagang sigurado ako, minsan nga hindi pa kasi may nagsabi na kahit mali ay sigurado sya. Ayaw ko conflict.

Tama si bro quitacet, hindi namin kayang pigilin gusto nila sabihin or gawain. Convictions nila yon. May mga tao talaga na sadya yatang iba mag isip or magsalita.

Katulad na lang dito sa thread na ito, meron maganda magreklamo at meron din naman na ayaw na magpatawad.
Yung tipong nilalahat. Meron din na dahil sa nangyari at nasabi ay nasira ang pagtitinginan. Marami ako kaibigan, pero ni minsan hindi religion ang naging basehan namin. May maga kaibigan ako na lantaran sa kainan kung kutyain ako na kumain dinuguan ay gayon na lang. Pwede ko patulan pero hindi na lang kasi alam ko naman na higit ang pagkatao nya sa ganoon biro.

Nalulungkot lang din ako sa mga kapatid na uusigin na naman, ng mga kapamilya, kaibigan, katrabaho, kakilala at lalo na ng mga amo/boss nila. Kung dito lang sa thread ko na thanking God for 100yrs of blessing eh nasasaktan ako sa pahayag ng iba eh paano pa kaya yung iba.

Yun nga eh may naperwisyo kami kaya tama lang siguro na masaktan damdamin namin. Fair? Hindi siguro pero ok lang basta happy din kayo na nasasabi nyo at naipapahayag saloobin nyo.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #751 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:09 PM »
Is it then correct to conclude that because the proper procedure was not followed by Delima that the Sangunian called on the congregation stage a peaceful vigil by blocking EDSA?

That's how it looks.

the other perspective is that INC is asking why was the case directed to DOJ secreatry, when the procedure in court should be prosecutor's office muna
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« Reply #752 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:15 PM »
Loko yan si safira talaga hahaha. Babae talaga nagpapahamak sa lalake joke.

Napakatagal ng isyu yang percentage sa abuluyan. Ang naiba lang sa INC eh lahat nagbibigay, mayaman or mahirap nagbibigay yana kasi ang doktrina. Nakakalungkot nga lang minsan na marami pa din ang nag bibigay ng kumakalansing(barya) yung tipong kung ano lang ang mabunot.

As for endorsing who to vote, hindi talaga ginagawa yon. Minsan nalalaman namin kung sino ang iboboto the night before na ng election para wag ng kumalat pa. Pero yun nga lang bec of media and mga kapatid or even politicians na nagbabanggit na sila ang iboboto.

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« Reply #753 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:16 PM »
That's how it looks.

the other perspective is that INC is asking why was the case directed to DOJ secreatry, when the procedure in court should be prosecutor's office muna

then why the hell were you yelling Separation of Church and State? even if De Lima broke protocol, it's still a matter of State.

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« Reply #754 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:19 PM »
Is it then correct to conclude that because the proper procedure was not followed by Delima that the Sangunian called on the congregation stage a peaceful vigil by blocking EDSA?


I cannot answer with certainty.

I cannot read the minds of the Sanggunian.

I am with barrister in saying the rally per se is not illegal BUT if it was up to me, I won't hold it in EDSA so as not to inconvenience a lot of people.

yun ngang naiintindihan na ang ipinaglalaban mo naiinis pa rin ang tao pag nakaabala ka e, yun pang hindi naiintindihan ng non-members?


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« Reply #755 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:20 PM »
@ricky, you may ask Rochie who has been to our office that we have staff who are INC members and I personally have very high respect for the INC members. It is why I want to understand the apparent shift/change in character based on the last INC activity to maintain that high respect for the INC. This is the reason why I am personally affected.

At this stage I have to admit I do not understand why a peace loving congregation all of a sudden turned into a mob and the way the commentators in the INC channel were speaking was not in-line with their common decorum. The way they made De Lima look like a Devil and the comments of an INC Congressman against Ces Drillon and ABS-CBN was unbecoming.


 
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« Reply #756 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:24 PM »
then why the hell were you yelling Separation of Church and State? even if De Lima broke protocol, it's still a matter of State.

maybe same reason that you are yelling at me now. You are mad at what's happening, and venting it on me although I did not join the rally. :)


seriously, i don't know. That's why i did not join the rally.

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« Reply #757 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:31 PM »
Is it then correct to conclude that because the proper procedure was not followed by Delima that the Sangunian called on the congregation stage a peaceful vigil by blocking EDSA?


Hindi siguro safe to conclude na yon reason. But what is certain is yung show of force and ang pagiging solid ng mga INC is nothing to be dismissed.

Also walang tagubilin na perwisyuhin ang mga kababayan. Sadya lang sigurong napakarami ng nag kaisa kaya napuno ang lugar.  Parang payday friday sale ng mga malls, hindi sadya na abalahin ang traffic yet naaabala pa din sa dami ng pumupunta. Sorry mababaw na comparison kasi mas marami yun sa peaceful vigil/rally.

Also would you believe na every once in a while na meron blood letting/donation activity ang INC para itulong sa red cross? Kasi nga ang dugo ay buhay at bawal ipagdamot.

Meron din mga lingap sa mamamayan, nagbibigay ng tulong financial at medical sa kahit sino , hindi lang sa INC members.

Meaning marami pa din nagawang mabuti kaysa sa perwisyo. Parang buti nga lumala yung traffic kasi ngayon pagtutuunan na ng pansin ng govt joke lang


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« Reply #758 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:34 PM »
Hindi siguro safe to conclude na yon reason. But what is certain is yung show of force and ang pagiging solid ng mga INC is nothing to be dismissed.

Also walang tagubilin na perwisyuhin ang mga kababayan. Sadya lang sigurong napakarami ng nag kaisa kaya napuno ang lugar.  Parang payday friday sale ng mga malls, hindi sadya na abalahin ang traffic yet naaabala pa din sa dami ng pumupunta. Sorry mababaw na comparison kasi mas marami yun sa peaceful vigil/rally.

Also would you believe na every once in a while na meron blood letting/donation activity ang INC para itulong sa red cross? Kasi nga ang dugo ay buhay at bawal ipagdamot.

Meron din mga lingap sa mamamayan, nagbibigay ng tulong financial at medical sa kahit sino , hindi lang sa INC members.

Meaning marami pa din nagawang mabuti kaysa sa perwisyo. Parang buti nga lumala yung traffic kasi ngayon pagtutuunan na ng pansin ng govt joke lang



I agree. madami ding activities na hindi naman namemedia at naibabalita na napakadami din ang members na sumuporta pero hindi nga naging sensational


The backlash really is because of what it caused.

Kung hindi sa EDSA at hindi nakaabala, I think many people might be more forgiving

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« Reply #759 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:35 PM »
Bloodletting = Selfless.
Lingap sa Mamamayan = selfless.
Vigil at EDSA = selfless?

Does the show of force make it right and moral?
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« Reply #760 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:36 PM »
maybe same reason that you are yelling at me now. You are mad at what's happening, and venting it on me although I did not join the rally. :)


seriously, i don't know. That's why i did not join the rally.

as a member, may K ba kayong malaman?

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« Reply #761 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:37 PM »
Hats off to ricky, Quitacet and rochie for replying in a calm and objective manner. It seems you just received the ire of a lot who got affected the past few days. Unlike some members who would just brag their clout through social media and interviews.
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« Reply #762 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:39 PM »
@ricky, you may ask Rochie who has been to our office that we have staff who are INC members and I personally have very high respect for the INC members. It is why I want to understand the apparent shift/change in character based on the last INC activity to maintain that high respect for the INC. This is the reason why I am personally affected.

At this stage I have to admit I do not understand why a peace loving congregation all of a sudden turned into a mob and the way the commentators in the INC channel were speaking was not in-line with their common decorum. The way they made De Lima look like a Devil and the comments of an INC Congressman against Ces Drillon and ABS-CBN was unbecoming.


 

Salamat sir for the respect. Yes yun din ang naging reason ko why i did not join the rally, hindi ko kasi alam kung ano talaga reason. Pero it looks like its really serious para umaksyon ng ganoon kalala. 2days sa faura hindi pinansin, ano pa gagawin. Sa govt natin kailangan may numbers para tayo pansinin. Luckily INC has the no and has the convictions. Baka next time mag rally kami para improve ang basic services naman para aksyunan.

Sana maintindihan nyo bakit karamihan sa amin ay nasasaktan, religion namin ang minumura kasi. Hindi perkat ginawa ng isa ay ginawa ng lahat at hindi dahil sinabi ng isa ay sinabi ng lahat.


Wait and see muna tayong lahat, malamang may maganda din itong kalalabasan. perwisyo ng ilang araw baka naman ginhawa ang kapalit.

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« Reply #763 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:40 PM »
Loko yan si safira talaga hahaha. Babae talaga nagpapahamak sa lalake joke.

Napakatagal ng isyu yang percentage sa abuluyan. Ang naiba lang sa INC eh lahat nagbibigay, mayaman or mahirap nagbibigay yana kasi ang doktrina. Nakakalungkot nga lang minsan na marami pa din ang nag bibigay ng kumakalansing(barya) yung tipong kung ano lang ang mabunot.

As for endorsing who to vote, hindi talaga ginagawa yon. Minsan nalalaman namin kung sino ang iboboto the night before na ng election para wag ng kumalat pa. Pero yun nga lang bec of media and mga kapatid or even politicians na nagbabanggit na sila ang iboboto.


Again I agree. Ako mismo witness sa sinop sa pananalapi. When our chapel was being constructed, nakikita ko kung paano pagalitan ng foreman ang mga construction workers pag may nalalaglag na pako at hindi pinupulot.  sinasabi nya na "pag nalaman ni Ka Erdy yan, mapapagalitan tayong lahat. Pulutin nyo"

Yun pala ang prinsipyo ni Ka Erdy yang pako na yan, abuloy ng kapatid yan. wag sayangin

kaya sa amin, wala kang makikitang property na may pangalan na nakalagay na may donated by. pantay-pantay ang ownership


kahit sa lokal namin madami pa din kumakalansing pag nag-abuloy. alam nating barya yun pero walang pinapagalitan o sinusuri dahil dun. kung dun masaya sa halagang yun ang myembro, walang problema.

nagtataka nga ako hanggang ngayon may nagsasabi pa rin na may ikapu daw tayo gayung tutol nga tayo sa aral ng tithing



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« Reply #764 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:40 PM »
Bloodletting = Selfless.
Lingap sa Mamamayan = selfless.
Vigil at EDSA = selfless?

Does the show of force make it right and moral?

Timing might not be right pero morally kungyan ang paniniwala mo dapat ipaglaban mo di ba basta hindi illegal

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« Reply #765 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:42 PM »
as a member, may K ba kayong malaman?

Yes. Issues are discussed during pagsamba (although lesser extent kasi worship services are more for the spiritual noursihing of the soul), circular letters and meetings.

May mga tanging pagtitipon (walang abuluyan) pa kami na naisisingit in between regula pagsamba to discuss important matters relative to the Church.

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« Reply #766 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:45 PM »
Hats off to ricky, Quitacet and rochie for replying in a calm and objective manner. It seems you just received the ire of a lot who got affected the past few days. Unlike some members who would just brag their clout through social media and interviews.

sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.

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« Reply #767 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:47 PM »

Again I agree. Ako mismo witness sa sinop sa pananalapi. When our chapel was being constructed, nakikita ko kung paano pagalitan ng foreman ang mga construction workers pag may nalalaglag na pako at hindi pinupulot.  sinasabi nya na "pag nalaman ni Ka Erdy yan, mapapagalitan tayong lahat. Pulutin nyo"

Yun pala ang prinsipyo ni Ka Erdy yang pako na yan, abuloy ng kapatid yan. wag sayangin


kahit sa lokal namin madami pa din kumakalansing pag nag-abuloy. alam nating barya yun pero walang pinapagalitan o sinusuri dahil dun. kung dun masaya sa halagang yun ang myembro, walang problema.

nagtataka nga ako hanggang ngayon may nagsasabi pa rin na may ikapu daw tayo gayung tutol nga tayo sa aral ng tithing





I have nothing against sa kumakalansing, ang sad ako kasi hindi napaghandaan. Sa tunog pa lang mulhang more than 5 or 10 pesos naman yun inihulog, pero bakit hindi pinapalitan ng buong 5 or 10 para wag kumalansing. Sabagay mas may impact yng marami kaysa sa isa hehe joke ulit.

Minsan sumamba ako, pag pasok ko sa kapilya saka ko napansin na wala wallet ko. Ayun labas ulit ako at punta sa kotse . Saka ko naalala na naiwan ko sa mesa nun nagpalit ako. Buti na lang may pailan ilang barya sa compartment. Nagpapalit pa ako sa labas ng kapilya para sa 5 piso, nkakahiya sa Ama.

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« Reply #768 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:51 PM »
sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.

And to be honest meron din kaming mga kapatid na may tungkulin na masakit din magsalita sa kapwa kapatid, yun ang mas mahirap. Sa kapwa mo kapatid ka matitisod.

Yup may mga pulong at tanging pagtitipon.bihira ako maka attend sadly. Part yun ng tungkulin bilang INC pero hindi ko lubos na matugunan. Nakakahiya

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« Reply #769 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:53 PM »
And to be honest meron din kaming mga kapatid na may tungkulin na masakit din magsalita sa kapwa kapatid, yun ang mas mahirap. Sa kapwa mo kapatid ka matitisod.

Yup may mga pulong at tanging pagtitipon.bihira ako maka attend sadly. Part yun ng tungkulin bilang INC pero hindi ko lubos na matugunan. Nakakahiya

kahit saang organization may ganyan, whether religious or secular.

pag tao ang tiningnan natin, wala kang mapupuntahan.

Kahit si Cristo nang una may mga myembrong pasaway di ba?

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« Reply #770 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 04:58 PM »
Hats off to ricky, Quitacet and rochie for replying in a calm and objective manner. It seems you just received the ire of a lot who got affected the past few days. Unlike some members who would just brag their clout through social media and interviews.

Trust me. we are not proud of those members. Kami sa INC pag may nagawang palpak, nagpapayuhan kami sa isa't isa.

Tawag namin dyan, "pagpapatibay"

nagpapaalalahanan sa bawat isa.

sa amin nga ang aral, kung nagawan ka ng masama ng kapatid mo, ikaw ang inuutusang makipagayos sa kanya para maingatan ang pag-iibigang magkakapatid.


sa isyu ng mga tigas-ulo sa social media, pati sa top gear ako'y nagpadala ng message asking for apology for the other members and for the inconvenience. wala na magagawa e. nangyari na.

kaya okay lang malait ngayon dahil sa nangyari,pero hindi naman sa nagbabangon puri kami, yung ibang backlash below the belt. wala sa isyu.

okay lang kung murahin dahil sa traffic caused. wag naman sana idamay yung ibang issue na wala naman kinalaman sa nangyari.


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« Reply #771 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:03 PM »
sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.

Actually, INC as a whole was quiet and peaceful since my time being and coexisted with different religious groups in the country. Not until somebody stepped on a hornet's nest recently and all hell broke loose. There will always be a bad seed somewhere especially if the group is big enough just like anywhere.

Move on, and learn from our mistakes. That's what mature people do.
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« Reply #772 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:04 PM »
this is one of the many misconceptions about our handog.

There is no fixed earning contribution for the members.

I can give singko if I want to and no one will know. our abuluyan requires member to drop your handog in a supot which is made of opaque cloth and the deacons who collect them do not look at your contribution. in fact kahit hindi ka maghulog, walang sisita sa yo at hindi ka isusumbong ng naglikom ng handog.



Thanks for clarifying and educating me on this.

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« Reply #773 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:11 PM »
I hope it will be observed that we are a nation of Laws and not numbers.
Sufficient avenues are available to provide grievance, a censure in the Supreme Court may have been more appropriate if the reason is the failure of De Lima to follow protocol/procedure.
If these avenues fail then then people power/rally/prayer vigil will be justified.

Salamat sir for the respect. Yes yun din ang naging reason ko why i did not join the rally, hindi ko kasi alam kung ano talaga reason. Pero it looks like its really serious para umaksyon ng ganoon kalala. 2days sa faura hindi pinansin, ano pa gagawin. Sa govt natin kailangan may numbers para tayo pansinin. Luckily INC has the no and has the convictions.

Honestly before the Vigil at EDSA, few would say harsh words against the INC. There were more who admired the members than look down upon them.
Sana maintindihan nyo bakit karamihan sa amin ay nasasaktan, religion namin ang minumura kasi. Hindi perkat ginawa ng isa ay ginawa ng lahat at hindi dahil sinabi ng isa ay sinabi ng lahat.

I am in the opinion that the Result does not justify the means because it will lead to anarchy and no different from the 9-11 terrorists fighting for their belief.
Wait and see muna tayong lahat, malamang may maganda din itong kalalabasan. perwisyo ng ilang araw baka naman ginhawa ang kapalit.

Again for me personally the shift/change in decorum of INC members is alarming and it is why I continue to seek to understand the change.
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« Reply #774 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:13 PM »
INC forbids the eating of dinuguan because it is primarily blood. In fact it is not only dinuguan which is forbidden but eating of "binigti" or meat which blood did not come out.


Thanks for helping to clarify the basis for this.

I had to ask because there was an article that came out trying to provide a scientified/historical context why certain areas, religions had to adopt certain practices.

For example, it was explained that for India where today you have a holy cow or sacred cow, the explanation was to prevent people from eating its meat during early times because it was the primary beast of burden and justified to kept alive so to sustain people's harvest, etc.

It also alluded that in the early days, even in the Middle East there was a time that eating pork was not forbidden but due to difficulties of raising them without plenty supply of water, overtime it was mandated not to touch them via religion.

Whether it is truthful or not is questionable but the explanation seemed logical.

Anyway, in one of the biblical quotes, other than blood, fats was also barred from being eaten... does it mean, even for example the pork fat from BBQ is forbidden?

Sorry if this is OT but really intrigued about how things evolved over time in terms of how we practice and observe our religious beliefs.

Again, I do not mean to offend anyone and will keep my curiousity to myself if this is way offensive to our bros / sisters from the INC.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #775 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:21 PM »
Thanks for helping to clarify the basis for this.

I had to ask because there was an article that came out trying to provide a scientified/historical context why certain areas, religions had to adopt certain practices.

For example, it was explained that for India where today you have a holy cow or sacred cow, the explanation was to prevent people from eating its meat during early times because it was the primary beast of burden and justified to kept alive so to sustain people's harvest, etc.

It also alluded that in the early days, even in the Middle East there was a time that eating pork was not forbidden but due to difficulties of raising them without plenty supply of water, overtime it was mandated not to touch them via religion.

Whether it is truthful or not is questionable but the explanation seemed logical.

Anyway, in one of the biblical quotes, other than blood, fats was also barred from being eaten... does it mean, even for example the pork fat from BBQ is forbidden?

Sorry if this is OT but really intrigued about how things evolved over time in terms of how we practice and observe our religious beliefs.

Again, I do not mean to offend anyone and will keep my curiousity to myself if this is way offensive to our bros / sisters from the INC.

no, not at all. you are not offending us. in fact, I appreciate asking the question rather than labelling us this and that.


in the old testament, plenty of what we consider foods now were forbidden:


Leviticus 11New King James Version (NKJV)
Foods Permitted and Forbidden

11 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.

9 ‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.

13 ‘And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard, 14 the kite, and the falcon after its kind; 15 every raven after its kind, 16 the ostrich, the short-eared owl, the sea gull, and the hawk after its kind; 17 the little owl, the fisher owl, and the screech owl; 18 the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture; 19 the stork, the heron after its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.

20 ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you. 21 Yet these you may eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. 22 These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind. 23 But all other flying insects which have four feet shall be an abomination to you.
Unclean Animals

24 ‘By these you shall become unclean; whoever touches the carcass of any of them shall be unclean until evening; 25 whoever carries part of the carcass of any of them shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening: 26 The carcass of any animal which divides the foot, but is not cloven-hoofed or does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Everyone who touches it shall be unclean. 27 And whatever goes on its paws, among all kinds of animals that go on all fours, those are unclean to you. Whoever touches any such carcass shall be unclean until evening. 28 Whoever carries any such carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. It is unclean to you.

29 ‘These also shall be unclean to you among the creeping things that creep on the earth: the mole, the mouse, and the large lizard after its kind; 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the sand reptile, the sand lizard, and the chameleon. 31 These are unclean to you among all that creep. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until evening. 32 Anything on which any of them falls, when they are dead shall be unclean, whether it is any item of wood or clothing or skin or sack, whatever item it is, in which any work is done, it must be put in water. And it shall be unclean until evening; then it shall be clean. 33 Any earthen vessel into which any of them falls you shall break; and whatever is in it shall be unclean: 34 in such a vessel, any edible food upon which water falls becomes unclean, and any drink that may be drunk from it becomes unclean. 35 And everything on which a part of any such carcass falls shall be unclean; whether it is an oven or cooking stove, it shall be broken down; for they are unclean, and shall be unclean to you. 36 Nevertheless a spring or a cistern, in which there is plenty of water, shall be clean, but whatever touches any such carcass becomes unclean. 37 And if a part of any such carcass falls on any planting seed which is to be sown, it remains clean. 38 But if water is put on the seed, and if a part of any such carcass falls on it, it becomes unclean to you.

39 ‘And if any animal which you may eat dies, he who touches its carcass shall be unclean until evening. 40 He who eats of its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. He also who carries its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening.

41 ‘And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. 42 Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination. 43 You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creeps; nor shall you make yourselves unclean with them, lest you be defiled by them. 44 For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 45 For I am the Lord who brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

46 ‘This is the law of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’”



But these are considered cleaned already though some animals one would not really intend to eat even up to this time.

But blood is not part of the "food group" and in fact even meat tainted with blood in the sense that it was strangled (binigti) is still forbidden in the Christian era.

Blood also symbolizes the sacrifice of Christ (with his blood) to redeem men. That is why in the Old Testament, animals are sacrificed to God, and the blood is drained from the animals as wage for sins committed. Fats are burned because as the bible says, the smell is pleasing to God.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #776 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:22 PM »
If di pa din maintindihan ng mga taga INC napakalaking issue ata sa kanila na si de lima ang pinaendorsohan ng kasapi nila nung reklamo. Ano magagawa ni de lime kung hindi paunlakan kasi sa doj pumunta yung kasapi.


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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #777 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:30 PM »
If di pa din maintindihan ng mga taga INC napakalaking issue ata sa kanila na si de lima ang pinaendorsohan ng kasapi nila nung reklamo. Ano magagawa ni de lime kung hindi paunlakan kasi sa doj pumunta yung kasapi.



I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:

Dapat sa piskalya muna.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #778 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 05:52 PM »
no, not at all. you are not offending us. in fact, I appreciate asking the question rather than labelling us this and that.


thanks and appreciate your efforts in helping clarify this...

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #779 on: Sep 01, 2015 at 06:08 PM »

I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:

Dapat sa piskalya muna.
hindi ba mas pabor sa INC kung deretso agad sa DOJ para maaksyunan agad at mabilis matapos ang kaso.

halos lahat ng may kaso ang gusto nila mapabilis ang proseso, INC lang ata ang may ayaw nito.

this was the reason given by atty topacio, bakit daw inuna ang INC instead of the saf44 cases etc. so parang ang balak ng INC is tumagal ang kaso sa korte at makalimutan na lang.