Topic: Panasonic Plasma 2012

[barrister]

First review:  50GT50 from the UK:


Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50



... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.

... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.

... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.



http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html

[Oloap]

First review:  50GT50 from the UK:


Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50




... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.

... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.

... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.



http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html

ang daming connection nito.

im sure i can not afford this.

[Tavus]

hehe im more exited about this LGs new oled i hope they implemented it correctly

here a first look at the LG 55 9600
http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html

[barrister]

hehe im more exited about this LGs new oled i hope they implemented it correctly

here a first look at the LG 55 9600
http://www.gosugadget.com/2012/03/2012-lg-lm9600-55-inch-review-by-tvgosu.html

That's an LED (LM9600), not an OLED (EM9600).

OLED manufacturers say they've overcome the problem of fading blue pixels, but I doubt if that's totally true.




Here's the LG OLED, to be released soon:

LG 55" OLED TV Coming this May for $8,000
Boasting a 100,000,000:1 contrast ratio in a 4mm thin body.
by Justin Rubio
March 27, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/27/lg-55-oled-tv-coming-this-may-for-8000



http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358177/lgs-55-inch-55em9600-oled-tv-wins-best-of-ces/

[Tavus]

That's an LED (LM9600), not an OLED (EM9600).

OLED manufacturers say they've overcome the problem of fading blue pixels, but I doubt if that's totally true.




Here's the LG OLED, to be released soon:

LG 55" OLED TV Coming this May for $8,000
Boasting a 100,000,000:1 contrast ratio in a 4mm thin body.
by Justin Rubio
March 27, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/27/lg-55-oled-tv-coming-this-may-for-8000



http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-57358177/lgs-55-inch-55em9600-oled-tv-wins-best-of-ces/

lol your right lg 55 em9600 where em is the correct code name. they should have just change the model number to reflect a totally different technology.

[ranchelle_23]

Hi. a newbie here. don't know if im OT.
bought a Panasonic 32c30 at LiS Shangrila way-back 2010 (dito pala sila kilala sa pdvd)

now im eyeing on Samsung Plasma 43 inches or Panasonic 42X30V

what model ba ang pwede sakin?

Will be using it for our Xbox360, Playstation 3, and a cable channel subscription.
this will be the first time na bibili ako plasma..

ano po ba talaga ang ok? lcd o plasma?
pwede po ba paki pm sakin yung price?
pati na din yung magandang model sa shoot sa needs ko?

Thank you in advance.

[barrister]

Flagship 50VT50 review --- not much better than the mid-end ST50:


Panasonic TX-P50VT50B Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 10 April 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £2100



...The Panasonic TX-P50VT50B is another outstanding Plasma television from the company’s 2012 lineup. It features the killer combination of outstandingly deep black levels, excellent screen uniformity, freedom from meaningful viewing angle limitations, natural colour, crisp, blur-free motion, and ultra-fast video gaming responsiveness. ...

However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. Happily for Panasonic, the competition is internal. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range (available in a large 65″ model too for the first time in Europe) which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series – although the design is subjectively less extravagant.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm

[Tavus]

Flagship 50VT50 review --- not much better than the mid-end ST50:


Panasonic TX-P50VT50B Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 10 April 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £2100



...The Panasonic TX-P50VT50B is another outstanding Plasma television from the company’s 2012 lineup. It features the killer combination of outstandingly deep black levels, excellent screen uniformity, freedom from meaningful viewing angle limitations, natural colour, crisp, blur-free motion, and ultra-fast video gaming responsiveness. ...

However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. Happily for Panasonic, the competition is internal. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range (available in a large 65″ model too for the first time in Europe) which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series – although the design is subjectively less extravagant.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm

beautiful TV

[rickmor]

Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere  that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks

[Tavus]

Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere  that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks

The Soap opera effect you mention only happens if you turn on motion interpolation. You can turn it off in the settings menu if you don't want it. Each company has a name for it, Sony calls it motion flow and Samsung motion plus.
i think the panasonic plasma's have motion interpolation called Intelligent Frame Creation Pro but i think its disabled at default.

[barrister]

Do plasma tv's suffer from the soap opera effect(SOE) like most lcd displays. Watching hd broadcast on sky specially fox movies make me quite dizzy because of this effect. I read somewhere  that plasma displays are less prone to this. Is it true. thanks

No, it's not true.  It's not a matter or being prone or less prone to SOE, because SOE is not inherent in either LCD or plasma.  

SOE is produced intentionally by way of a motion interpolation software built into the TV.  Motion interpolation is an option that can be disabled by the user.

Motion interpolation software is more aggressively promoted by LCD manufacturers than plasma manufacturers.  Both plasma and LCD can have that software, depending on the model.  But it is not true that LCD is more prone to SOE.  You got that from a misinformed author.

The problem with LCD is that resolution goes lower when the image is in motion.  To compensate, LCD uses motion interpolation software to hide the reduced motion resolution, although LCD manufacturers claim that the motion interpolation is a desirable feature that eliminates judder.  With plasma, resolution is high, regardless of whether the image is static or in motion.  That's why plasma doesn't really need any motion interpolation tricks.

Suggested reading:

Is 240Hz worth waiting for?
by David Katzmaier |January 16, 2009 8:58 AM PST

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10144265-1.html

[barrister]

Cnet Review: Panasonic TC-P55UT50

...As the least-expensive 2012 Panasonic plasma series with 55- and 60-inch sizes, the UT50 series is positioned as a value option, and while it misses a couple of features of the ST50 series, it still boasts very impressive picture quality.

Black levels on the UT50 series are about the same as what we saw on the superb flagship TC-P55VT30 a year ago, which is almost unbelievable in such a cheap TV, and while the sparse color controls give little wiggle room, color accuracy isn't an issue.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50ut50/4505-6482_7-35153392.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody

[acronis]

Cnet Review: Panasonic TC-P55UT50

...As the least-expensive 2012 Panasonic plasma series with 55- and 60-inch sizes, the UT50 series is positioned as a value option, and while it misses a couple of features of the ST50 series, it still boasts very impressive picture quality.

Black levels on the UT50 series are about the same as what we saw on the superb flagship TC-P55VT30 a year ago, which is almost unbelievable in such a cheap TV, and while the sparse color controls give little wiggle room, color accuracy isn't an issue.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50ut50/4505-6482_7-35153392.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody

When will this P55UT50 be available in the Philippines sir?

[barrister]

When will this P55UT50 be available in the Philippines sir?

Nobody knows.  Not even the dealers.  Just check this thread every now and then.

If you're planning to buy a new Panny plasma, I say it has to be the 2012 model (the model numbers with the "50" ending) if you want to have the latest improvements in plasma tech.

[whatismyip]

nice thread. very informative.. heheh

[barrister]

The Panasonic Singapore website recently posted a few 2012 plasma models.  This is an indication that the 2012 plasmas will be arriving here sometime soon, hopefully in a few months.

50UT50; 50XT50; 42XT50; 50X50:


http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv

http://www.panasonic.com.sg/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/vieraplasmatv/xseries

[acronis]

aw.... no ST50

[Heartbreak Kid]

First review:  50GT50 from the UK:


Panasonic GT50 (TX-P50GT50B) 50 Inch Full HD 3D Plasma TV Review
Steve Withers takes a look at Panasonic's elusive GT50



... As a result of the incredibly accurate picture and the excellent video processing, the resulting 2D images were spectacular.

... There were no problems with floating blacks or brightness pops and we used test patterns to check the uniformity of the screen itself, which was very good with no signs of the dreaded green 'blobs' that were reported on some of last year's Panasonic plasmas.

... The Infinite Black Pro filter was certainly doing its job during the day and when we put out the lights at night, the resulting blacks were incredible. They were very deep and inky, the kind of blacks that provide a solid base to the image and result in an impressive contrast ratio and a suitably wide dynamic range.



http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-GT50-TX-P50GT50B-P42GT50-42-50-Inch-Full-HD-3D-Plasma-TV_287/Review.html

my target ... i initially preferred vt50 but i don't think the US$1k+ price difference (though vt50 is 55") for additional features (and single sheet design) are worth enough. isang imac (or macbook) na rin yun

[barrister]

The 8th annual HDTV shootout, hosted by ValueElectronics (New York), is scheduled this May 19 & 20, 2012.

Strongest contenders for "King of HDTV" are the Sharp Elite LED and the Panasonic VT50 plasma.

[Clondalkin]

Huwag mo lang pagtabihin ne.   Umupo kami ni Mrs. sa tapat ng Japanese Version G5 and V5 during my last vacation - and malakas talaga ang pang-akit ng V; not saying at all na pangit ang G because ang ganda nya rin talaga, but ang TALAS ng V when viewed side by side.   hehehe.

Ang surprisingly, the Wife also likes the top of the line Panasonic full array LED na D series. Maganda na rin daw...and tama sya, maganda panoorin ang LED kapag MALAYO ka uupo - ang liwanag kasi.

my target ... i initially preferred vt50 but i don't think the US$1k+ price difference (though vt50 is 55") for additional features (and single sheet design) are worth enough. isang imac (or macbook) na rin yun

[Tavus]

The 8th annual HDTV shootout, hosted by ValueElectronics (New York), is scheduled this May 19 & 20, 2012.

Strongest contenders for "King of HDTV" are the Sharp Elite LED and the Panasonic VT50 plasma.

the results are out. http://www.facebook.com/pages/ValueElectronicscom-Inc/107818673444
 the winner is Panasonic VT50

[Heartbreak Kid]

Huwag mo lang pagtabihin ne.   Umupo kami ni Mrs. sa tapat ng Japanese Version G5 and V5 during my last vacation - and malakas talaga ang pang-akit ng V; not saying at all na pangit ang G because ang ganda nya rin talaga, but ang TALAS ng V when viewed side by side.   hehehe.

Ang surprisingly, the Wife also likes the top of the line Panasonic full array LED na D series. Maganda na rin daw...and tama sya, maganda panoorin ang LED kapag MALAYO ka uupo - ang liwanag kasi.

definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.

[Tavus]

definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.

its okay, if you cant afford the vt series, you can get the st series. i hear its a fantastic TV. ST doesnt have isf control or the filters but its PQ and black levels is very close to the VT.  if your not a tweaker or obsessed videophile then the St is perfectly fine.

[barrister]

definitely vt-50 has superior pq being the flagship model. it's just that, the price diff outweighs the advantages of vt-50 for me. but of course if i got the dough flowing, top of the line all the way.

My personal choice is the 50UT50.  Primarily because it's relatively cheap (about $1,100); secondly because it doesn't have the louvre filter.

But still, if we're talking best of the best, I'd say the VT50 would still be considered reasonably-priced.

This year's King of HDTV is the Panasonic 65" 65VT50, which beat last year's winner, Sharp's Elite 60" 60x5fd LED.  Price of the Panny 65VT50 is about $3,500.  Price of the Elite 60x5fd is now about $5,000.

So even if you were swimming in cash, you would actually have to spend less to get the best.

ST doesnt have isf control or the filters but its PQ and black levels is very close to the VT.  

I think the ST50 does have the filter.  I would have preferred the ST50 if it didn't.

Some owners don't like filters on their plasmas.  Here's a comment from another filter hater from avsforum:

Between the time I've spent fiddling with ST/VT50s and what I've gathered on the VT50 thread, I've made a quick list of things thus far of problems that the VT50 is having that we will never have.

- DSE (dirty screen effect)
- Rainbow efffect (similar to dlp)
- less natural crispness/vibrancy
- overall darker (despite the contrary)
- poor vertical viewing angle

That's a lot of problems right there. You know what's causing it? The louvre filter. That new and improved, every so wonderful filter will always be the Achilles' heel of the ST/GT/VT50...

http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=22036982&postcount=304
http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1406618&page=11


How ironic.  LCD users loved their matte screens and hated plasma's glossy screens.  Now, high-end LEDs have glossy screens; high-end plasmas have filtered screens.

[Clondalkin]

You really prefer glossy plasma Barrister?  I find that very interesting and intriguing.

Since the ST has been phased out in Japan, I dont know if the latest ST50 is still as glossy as its predecessors...but it's not as glassy as the UT or XT anyways.   Talo lang talaga sa glare kapag tinabi sa GT and VT at the same illumination level.

The G and V are practically as flat as each other.  I was just surprised to notice that parang slightly "magnified" ang image ng G compared to V. Tried to check and double check kung setting lang ng plasmas but I couldnt find any differences in the image/screen settings during the time I was in the store.  Got to recheck this further.

[Clondalkin]

And if last year's data are still valid, those high end LEDs from Sharp and Sony consume more electricity than the VT50.

So even if you were swimming in cash, you would actually have to spend less to get the best.

[barrister]

You really prefer glossy plasma Barrister?  I find that very interesting and intriguing.

Oo naman sir.  Controlled light kasi ang HT room ko.

Ang dami kong posts na ganon a ...

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,96467.msg1039817.html#msg1039817
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,19901.msg1593162.html#msg1593162

This year's Panny plasma filter is a new innovation - the louvre filter.  Parang blinds ang design, intended to aggressively filter external light coming from above, but not external light coming from other directions.  

[DTNS]

I got to audition a TH-50U30 a while ago. I'm convinced about upgrading to plasma!  

[Tavus]

sorry about the filters i mistook the ST for the UT.

[barrister]

Thanks for confirming.  Ayos lang yon sir.  That's what this thread is for.

What's important is that more and more members are starting to get interested in the 2012 Panny plasmas rather than the 2011 ones.

These days, I'm looking for known issues on the 2012 Pannys.  Does anyone have more info about the vertical line/bar issue on the screen?