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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #690 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 10:52 AM »
sir arthurallanj question lang po...i have yamaha rxv450 with polk audio R series as my 5 spkers setup...adding to my speaker B, bumili ako ng daichi euros 6 which is 100w and  rated 6ohms..."hindi ba mahirapan yung rxv450 sa euros6 6ohms?...my amps rated connect to 8ohms.

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Di ba ang 450 may impedance switch din? Try to check the back panel kung meron nga. If it does, then swtch it to the side that says speaker a or b, 4 ohms max, speaker a + b, 8 ohms max. I don't think mahihirapan sya since di naman gaano kalaki ang impedance difference e. Delikado lang is if both speakers connected at a and b are 4 ohms each. And besides, Yamaha amps have a circuit protection system.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #691 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 12:29 PM »


Di ba ang 450 may impedance switch din? Try to check the back panel kung meron nga. If it does, then swtch it to the side that says speaker a or b, 4 ohms max, speaker a + b, 8 ohms max. I don't think mahihirapan sya since di naman gaano kalaki ang impedance difference e. Delikado lang is if both speakers connected at a and b are 4 ohms each. And besides, Yamaha amps have a circuit protection system.

naka swith to 8ohms yung rxv450 since im using polk audio with a 8ohms impedance...anyway sir salamat na marami...btw under breakin yung euros6 ko...ok naman sya...late ko na nabasa yung mga reviews ng euros eh...hope hindi ako nagkamali sa euros 6.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #692 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 12:50 PM »
bro fandvd, please post naman your review from time to time on your new euros --  ;D  kasi me balak din ako, ang issue ko lang talaga dito ay yung 8-16 impedance ng receiver ko as against the 6 ohms of the euros... tnx
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #693 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 02:45 PM »


naka swith to 8ohms yung rxv450 since im using polk audio with a 8ohms impedance...anyway sir salamat na marami...btw under breakin yung euros6 ko...ok naman sya...late ko na nabasa yung mga reviews ng euros eh...hope hindi ako nagkamali sa euros 6.

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Magkano bili mo sa Euros 6 mo bro? I'm hoping na sana pag-punta ko ng Manila this December, around 5 thousand pa rin sya, and if 300 lang ang difference ng 6 and 8, I'm going for the 8. Thanks.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #694 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 03:23 PM »
fandvd,

sana makapost ka na ng review mo sa euros6 kasi nga im planning to get one.  just a question, bat di euros8 ang kinuha mo e konti lang naman ang difference nila ngayon with regards sa price.

ang issue ko talaga sa euros8 is yung ganda ng tunog and yung compatibility sa 8-16 ohms ng receiver since 6 ohms ang sa euros8.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #695 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 05:46 PM »
how much is the yamaha rx-v450 nowadays? where can i get it at the cheapest? or ok lang ba yung rx-v 350? any reviews on the yamaha rx-v350? kindly post na lang. thanks.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #696 on: Nov 02, 2004 at 09:19 PM »
bro fandvd, please post naman your review from time to time on your new euros --  ;D  kasi me balak din ako, ang issue ko lang talaga dito ay yung 8-16 impedance ng receiver ko as against the 6 ohms of the euros... tnx

sir jerix as of now under break-in yung euros6 ko...so far na meet nya naman yung sounds na gusto ko which is the trebles, mids & bass, balance naman sila (sakin opinion ito sir) pero hindi pa namn ako ganon katalas ang tenga like our co-pnydvd member na audiophiler...well with the 6ohms spker for the 8ohms amp?...wala pa naman akong nakikitang prob :) hopefully makaya ng amps ko...althought hindi naman ako ganon kalakas mag patugtog...till my next reviews ;D

Magkano bili mo sa Euros 6 mo bro? I'm hoping na sana pag-punta ko ng Manila this December, around 5 thousand pa rin sya, and if 300 lang ang difference ng 6 and 8, I'm going for the 8. Thanks.

sir art inabot lang ng P5,050 yung euros6...tyempo bili ko sa halloween sale sa megamall last saturday....sir im still hoping na wala akong maging problema sa 6ohms impedance nya sa 450amps ko...have to switch kse sya sa 8ohms kse 5 speaker ko na rated 8ohms nya eh.
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sana makapost ka na ng review mo sa euros6 kasi nga im planning to get one.  just a question, bat di euros8 ang kinuha mo e konti lang naman ang difference nila ngayon with regards sa price.

ang issue ko talaga sa euros8 is yung ganda ng tunog and yung compatibility sa 8-16 ohms ng receiver since 6 ohms ang sa euros8.

regards,
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Sir dvh ok para sakin ang euros6 althought late ko na nabasa reviews ng euros8...balance naman ang tunog ng euros6...d ka bitin sa mga kalansing nya. ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #697 on: Nov 03, 2004 at 11:30 AM »
Bro FanDVD,
Even though all your other speakers have an 8 ohm impedance, it would still be best to switch the impedance setting to the side where the impedance is lower, and that is at the 4 ohm side for speaker A and 6 ohms for all the others, Why? It would be better if the amp has a lower impedance than the speaker rather than the other way around. This is just an impedance limiting switch. So, ok lang if your amp is at 4 ohms and ang euros mo are at 6 ohms, and your other channels set at 6 ohms and the other speakers at 8 ohms. Look at it this way, parang gripo yan na kinakabitan ng hose e, if your faucet was like, say 1/2", and you attached a 1/4" inch hose to it, the water pressure would even be greater, all the better, di ba? But if you attached a 1" hose to your 1/2" faucet, e di ba mahina na ang pressure? Parang 8 ohm amp na nag-drive ng 4 ohm na speaker. Hirap syang palakasin. I hope my correlation helps. So I suggest switching your impedance to the lower setting.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #698 on: Nov 03, 2004 at 12:47 PM »

...well with the 6ohms spker for the 8ohms amp?...wala pa naman akong nakikitang prob :) hopefully makaya ng amps ko...althought hindi naman ako ganon kalakas mag patugtog...


As much as possible, if there is no need for it, just leave the impedance switch of the amp as is - in the 8-ohm position.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #699 on: Nov 03, 2004 at 03:09 PM »
Ever noticed how similar Yamaha speakers are to Daiichi speakers? The Yamaha EF series to the DTX EFD and Euros? The NS-P50 center to the USAudio 11cc center? The Yamaha NS-150 (PMD Series) to the DTX 9.5 Towers? The Yamaha NS-P90 to the DTX 9.5 Bookshelfs? Both also employ sealed type enclosures for their center speakers. Just my thoughts.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #700 on: Nov 03, 2004 at 11:39 PM »
sir art...maraming salamat...hope will see you...just text me thru 09178275276....para naman ma-audition mo yung setup ko...and my for sale tv's ;D...ok il try to re switch my amps to the lower impedance now...il take your word sir...tnx :)

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #701 on: Nov 05, 2004 at 12:34 PM »
sir art, my current set-up is Sakura AV 387and DTX 9.5 combo.  I'm planning to upgrade my AVR into Marantz SR4500.  Do you have any idea with this?

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #702 on: Nov 05, 2004 at 12:58 PM »
Ever noticed how similar Yamaha speakers are to Daiichi speakers? The Yamaha EF series to the DTX EFD and Euros? The NS-P50 center to the USAudio 11cc center? The Yamaha NS-150 (PMD Series) to the DTX 9.5 Towers? The Yamaha NS-P90 to the DTX 9.5 Bookshelfs? Both also employ sealed type enclosures for their center speakers. Just my thoughts.  ;D

Dai-1chi is known to OEM some speakers of known marques.  IF they look, feel, sound and smell the same as Dai-1chi, they're most likely Dai-1chis.   ;D

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #703 on: Nov 06, 2004 at 08:31 AM »
Actually, sir AV, I'm thinkin' maybe Daiichi bases their designs on Yamahas. Remember the Audiofile SA-3s? Ginaya din nila yun sa Bose Jewel Cubes, di ba? Maybe they just base their designs on other foreign speaker manufacturers. That's what I think they may be doing. But now, that you've mentioned it, it may be a possibility since in their website, it says they're connected with Yamaha, along with many other brands.  ;D ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #704 on: Nov 08, 2004 at 09:14 AM »
Dagdag ko lang sa mga hindi pa nakaka-alam...lifetime ang service warranty ng Dai-ichi speaker provided na mid to high end ang na-purchase mo na speakers from them.. Kasi nung nabili ko yung dai-ichi speakers ko way back 1994 hindi nasabi sa akin nung napag-bilhan ko na lifetime free service warranty yung mga speakers...  ;) In other words, I have availed this very cool warranty..  O0

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #705 on: Nov 08, 2004 at 11:48 AM »
Dagdag ko lang sa mga hindi pa nakaka-alam...lifetime ang service warranty ng Dai-ichi speaker provided na mid to high end ang na-purchase mo na speakers from them.. Kasi nung nabili ko yung dai-ichi speakers ko way back 1994 hindi nasabi sa akin nung napag-bilhan ko na lifetime free service warranty yung mga speakers...  ;) In other words, I have availed this very cool warranty..  O0

Bro, I think their warranty applies to all their products, di lang mid-high end, I once had two pairs of audiofile sa-3s repaired and the only thing they charged me is the voice coil that they replaced. I don't think you can consider the sa-3s mid end, much less high end.  ;D

Sir fandvd,
 I don't think I can audition your set up since I'm residing in Bacolod, and regarding the tv's, me and the wifey are actually planning on getting a 34" flat tv with component video input and PIP, baka meron ka dyan, we're going to Manila on the 22nd of December kasi e. Thanks.

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I never had any experience with Marantz amps, but from what I've heard, they're great, I'm sure your 9.5s are gonna perform even better with your upgrade, and I'm sure you'll find it fascinating once you've connected your dvd player via digital connection (either via optical or coaxial). Aaah, the benefits of going digital.... ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #706 on: Nov 08, 2004 at 11:50 AM »
Actually, sir AV, I'm thinkin' maybe Daiichi bases their designs on Yamahas. Remember the Audiofile SA-3s? Ginaya din nila yun sa Bose Jewel Cubes, di ba? Maybe they just base their designs on other foreign speaker manufacturers. That's what I think they may be doing. But now, that you've mentioned it, it may be a possibility since in their website, it says they're connected with Yamaha, along with many other brands.  ;D ;D

I wouldn't be surprised if Dai-1chi OEMed for Boss. (I would if  I wanted huge profit margins. ;D) Those paper 2" speakers are not exactly high tech speaker materials.  I could almost swear those Boss-like Audiofile cubes coupled with a US-Audio sub gave better sonic value than a Boss HT set at 1/10th the price.  But that's just me.  ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #707 on: Nov 08, 2004 at 11:53 AM »
I tend to agree, sir.  ;D For both statements you made.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #708 on: Nov 08, 2004 at 12:26 PM »
saw a beautiful floorstanding daichi prototype on display at the Watt hifi booth at the WS hifi show in makati.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #709 on: Nov 18, 2004 at 02:14 PM »
To all DVD/Audio Guru's (pls help):

     I have auditioned the Euros8 last weekend and was tempted to buy the Tower @ Php 5560. Will I have any problem if I am using an amplifier that has an output of 8 Ohms (Yamaha HTR-5240).  Thank you very much in advance for your comments.  :)

    This is what is written in its Manual although I am not really sure what it means "LOW IMPEDANCE DRIVE CAPABILITY AND IMPEDANCE SWITCHINGYamaha's famed low impedance drive circuitry is included in this receiver so that it can handle virtually all loads and a wide variety of speakers. For further speaker matching, the receiver's back-panel switches can be set for either high or low-impedance main speakers and either high or low impedance center and surround speakers."
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #710 on: Nov 18, 2004 at 02:58 PM »
So there's an impedance switch at the back. Just switch to 4ohms when using speakers less than 8 ohms but greater than 4.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #711 on: Nov 18, 2004 at 03:12 PM »
So there's an impedance switch at the back. Just switch to 4ohms when using speakers less than 8 ohms but greater than 4.

Sir av_phile1 thanks for the quick reply. Since I will only purchase the Tower (Euros8) and will retain the rear and center speakers which are all 8 ohms will this create a problem.  ???

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #712 on: Nov 18, 2004 at 04:51 PM »
expensive suggestion -  ;D

Buy another set of 8ohms speakers connect them with ur present 8ohms speakers on parallel the resulting impedance would be 4 ohms - swabeng-swabe sa yamah mo na adjusted sa 4 ohms ;D
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #713 on: Nov 18, 2004 at 05:06 PM »
expensive suggestion -  ;D

Buy another set of 8ohms speakers connect them with ur present 8ohms speakers on parallel the resulting impedance would be 4 ohms - swabeng-swabe sa yamah mo na adjusted sa 4 ohms ;D

Thanks for the suggestion but might not be able to afford buying another set of 8 ohms since m planning also of upgrading to a bigger HDTV screen.  Tamang tama sa Christmas bonus.  :D  If I don't push thru with buying a bigger TV what kind of speaker other than the Euros8 can you suggest. Thanks.

So there's an impedance switch at the back. Just switch to 4ohms when using speakers less than 8 ohms but greater than 4.

Sir Av_phile I checked the back of my HTR and this is what is written, sorry but I am not very familiar with the settings. Please help. Thanks again.

Main A or B : 4 Ohms Min. / Speaker
        A + B  : 8 Ohms Min. / Speaker
        Center : 6 Ohms Min. / Speaker
        Rear    : 6 Ohms Min. / Speaker

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #714 on: Nov 19, 2004 at 10:09 AM »


Sir av_phile1 thanks for the quick reply. Since I will only purchase the Tower (Euros8) and will retain the rear and center speakers which are all 8 ohms will this create a problem.  ???

Answering on behalf of Sir AV:

Bro vtec3,
This would not cause any problems since the speakers have a higher impedance than the amplifier when it is switched at this position. As it says there at the back of your amp, for the center and rear speakers, 6 Ohms Minimum. That means, it can handle speakers with an impedance of 6 Ohms or higher, since 8 ohms is higher than 6 Ohms, then you wouldn't have any problems. Then with your fronts, since I'm assuming you're only using just one pair of speakers, your Euros are rated at 6 Ohms, your amp can handle 4 Ohms or higher, and since 6 Ohms is higher than 4 Ohms, you won't have any problems. Again, I stress, that is if you only use just one pair of front speakers, since using two pairs would oblige you to use speakers with impedance ratings of 8 Ohms or higher on both pairs.

As I usually suggest, think of impedances as water lines and faucets. Water lines being amplifiers and faucets being speakers. If you have, let's say a 1 inch water line (tubo ng tubig), and you attach a 1 inch faucet to it, bagay na bagay, di ba? If you attach a 1/2 inch faucet to the same 1 inch tubo, okay pa rin, the pressure of the water would even be stronger, right? So, all the better. But if you attach a 2 inch faucet to the same 1 inch water line, may lalabas pa rin na tubig but the pressure ain't that high anymore. I hope my correlation helps you see much clearer. ;)

Sir AV, thanks for obliging me.
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #715 on: Nov 19, 2004 at 11:03 AM »
Sir arthurallanj,

Thank you very much for the explanation, it certainly has given me a better view of how HTR and speakers work.  ;)

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #716 on: Nov 20, 2004 at 12:56 AM »
medyo OT po ito...

di ba ang 6.1 setup ba is like this:

   left front       center            right front


                       seat


left sur.         center sur       right sur

now my question:  anong speaker ang gagamitin sa center surround?  today i visited the one of the HT shops in park square and he told me that yung center surround is just like the center speaker so front and not to use the speaker type ng left/right surround.  so meaning kung bibili ko ng speakers for 6.1 setup is 2 fronts (left/right), 2 rear (left/right), and 2 center(front/rear).  tama ba ang sinabi sa akin.  nalito ko kasi ang alam ko ang use ng center is focus on voice so parang mali ata...kasi lalabas yung voice sa harap at likod.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #717 on: Nov 20, 2004 at 06:53 AM »
Yamaha AVR's can drive low impedance speakers with no problems as long as you set the impedance switch correctly.  a 6 ohm rating is peanuts for a Yammaha receiver. My father in law's set up is a Yamaha AVR that is driving an all Dynaudio HT speaker system (a truly stiff 4 ohm rating).  it heats up after watching 2 to 3 movies in a row but it has never shut down.  Sound Quality?  sounds ok but IMHO moving up to high current true blue power amps will extract all the SQ and output low impedance speakers can belt out.

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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #718 on: Nov 20, 2004 at 09:28 AM »
medyo OT po ito...

di ba ang 6.1 setup ba is like this:

   left front       center            right front


                       seat


left sur.         center sur       right sur

now my question:  anong speaker ang gagamitin sa center surround?  today i visited the one of the HT shops in park square and he told me that yung center surround is just like the center speaker so front and not to use the speaker type ng left/right surround.  so meaning kung bibili ko ng speakers for 6.1 setup is 2 fronts (left/right), 2 rear (left/right), and 2 center(front/rear).  tama ba ang sinabi sa akin.  nalito ko kasi ang alam ko ang use ng center is focus on voice so parang mali ata...kasi lalabas yung voice sa harap at likod.


What the salesman told you is actually not incorrect. How else can you buy just one speaker for surrounds since they come in pairs? The important thing with surround speakers is timbre matching. But, on a personal note, I still prefer to use a pair of surrounds for the rear center channel for a 6.1 system and set it up like a 7.1 system. But if you can get just one piece of speaker like your present surrounds, that would be okay too. The purpose of a rear center is to provide a seamless transition of the sound coming from the surround speakers from left to right and vice versa. So the rear center is going to act like a part of the rear soundfield and not of the front where it takes care of the dialogue. I just don't like the idea of using a center speaker for the rear since I know for a fact that center speakers usually have two mid/bass drivers and my surrounds only have one. HIH.  :)
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Re: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub
« Reply #719 on: Nov 21, 2004 at 12:05 AM »
arthurallanj,

exactly my point also why i dont want to use a center speaker as center surround.

i will call daiichi and ask if they can sell just 1 pc of the euros8 surround so i can set it up as my center surround for my 6.1.

thanks for the info.  by the way di ko naiisip na maglagay ng pair of surround as my center so it can be a 7.1 setup!  so what i need to do is to buy a pair of surround speakers, then parallel wire it and connect to center surround of my avr...voila it will then be 7.1...then i'll re-position it so that it'll be left and right rear surround...then my true-left/right surround i'll place it on the side like this:


left front           center            right front



left surround       seat            right surround



center surround                     center surround          (parallel wired to center surround of AVR)


thought?  ok kaya ang setup na to?  kaya lang ang impedance ng rear center surround ko is 8ohms at 100watts rms.... so dapat bilin ko speakers e 16ohms di ba?