Topic: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub

[vtec3]

this is what i did to my DTX

everyday i played 5 songs before i go to work.
first at 25% Volume then  50% then 75% then back to 50% and then back to 25%

then pag uwi same routine, in a month umaawit na speakers ko

yung 75% ba ibig sabihin is at 3 o'clock position? have not really tried adjusting my volume past 12 0'clock position, pero if this will make the speakers sound better i will do it.  Thanks very much for the info 

[dvh]

dvh,

yup happy ako sa Euros8 tower ko and hopefully gets better kasi I guess nasa break-in period pa din ito.  I am using a gauge 12 na cables but i guess kagaya ng sabi ni av_phile1 ok na din ang gauge 14.   

vtec3,

medyo OT na ito....sorry po sa mod...

grabe hirap maghanap ng gauge 12 na speaker cable!  i just arrived from deeco cubao and wala silang stock.  meron sila gauge 14 and presyong makati rin at 65/meter at di pa transparent ang cover!

also went to audio shops in ali mall same results...

hirap maghanap ng gauge 12! hayyy kelan ko kaya maikabit ang mga speakers ko!!!

regards,
dvh

[dvh]

this is what i did to my DTX

everyday i played 5 songs before i go to work.
first at 25% Volume then  50% then 75% then back to 50% and then back to 25%

then pag uwi same routine, in a month umaawit na speakers ko

pano ang 25% or 50% or even 75%. yung volume kasi ng kenwood avr ko infinite ang pihit e. gumagalaw lang ang db...

regards,
dvh

[bumblebee]

vtec3,

medyo OT na ito....sorry po sa mod...

grabe hirap maghanap ng gauge 12 na speaker cable!  i just arrived from deeco cubao and wala silang stock.  meron sila gauge 14 and presyong makati rin at 65/meter at di pa transparent ang cover!

also went to audio shops in ali mall same results...

hirap maghanap ng gauge 12! hayyy kelan ko kaya maikabit ang mga speakers ko!!!

regards,
dvh

im using audio excel gauge 16. ive read in the net that it's ok up to 80 ft. gauge 14 up to 200 ft. gauge 12 for 200 ft up.

sir, why not use the gauge 14? kesa naman nde mo maenjoy yung speakers mo.

[dvh]

im using audio excel gauge 16. ive read in the net that it's ok up to 80 ft. gauge 14 up to 200 ft. gauge 12 for 200 ft up.

sir, why not use the gauge 14? kesa naman nde mo maenjoy yung speakers mo.

kung no choice talaga i will use gauge 14.  nakakita ako sa ACE hardware ng gauge 14 at 50 ft...849.50.  pwede na kaya ito para maikabit ko lang ang new speakers ko?

regards,
dvh

[bumblebee]

kung no choice talaga i will use gauge 14.  nakakita ako sa ACE hardware ng gauge 14 at 50 ft...849.50.  pwede na kaya ito para maikabit ko lang ang new speakers ko?

regards,
dvh

make sure that the wire is oxygen free. medyo laki room mo sir ah

[av_phile1]

pano ang 25% or 50% or even 75%. yung volume kasi ng kenwood avr ko infinite ang pihit e. gumagalaw lang ang db...

regards,
dvh

That's the trend in volume control these days.  They operate in the digital domain, with the display showing the db levels.  0db is supposed to mean 100%.  Just estimate the percentage levels based on the lowest db point below 0db. 

[Jude]

Yung ACE gauge 14 din gamit ko. Ok naman. Kaso ubos kaagad yung 50 feet (15 meters), center and fronts pa lang. Kailangan ko pa bumili ulit para ma bi-wire kaso wala ng stock. Audio Pro gauge 14 from Deeco naman gamit ko sa surrounds.

[dvh]

Yung ACE gauge 14 din gamit ko. Ok naman. Kaso ubos kaagad yung 50 feet (15 meters), center and fronts pa lang. Kailangan ko pa bumili ulit para ma bi-wire kaso wala ng stock. Audio Pro gauge 14 from Deeco naman gamit ko sa surrounds.

OT na tayo ah..magagalit na sa atin ang mod...

punta ka sa SM cubao ace hw dami pa gauge 14 na 50ft @849.50.   

so ok naman ba ang sound using this speaker wire?  euros8/6 user ka rin ba?

regards,
dvh

[av_phile1]

vtec3,

medyo OT na ito....sorry po sa mod...

grabe hirap maghanap ng gauge 12 na speaker cable!  i just arrived from deeco cubao and wala silang stock.  meron sila gauge 14 and presyong makati rin at 65/meter at di pa transparent ang cover!

also went to audio shops in ali mall same results...

hirap maghanap ng gauge 12! hayyy kelan ko kaya maikabit ang mga speakers ko!!!

regards,
dvh

I wasn't aware 12 gauge wires are scarce these days in the areas you mentioned.  I suggest Raon in Quiapo then.  I really would recommend 12 gauge wires if your receiver terminals can accomodate them regardless of cable length. The difference can become mathematically material starting at around 10-15 meters (mostly in the form of high frequency attenuation and insertion losses). They would likely not be audible for most people above 30, though.    I am way past that age, but I still prefer 12 gauge cables.  If only for peace of mind.  In this hobby, it's better to err on the side of plenty, I always say.    Especially if price differences are not so objectionable. Just my thoughts.

[Jude]

Found gauge 12 speaker wire (Genesis brand) being sold at Electronics Depot in Rob Ermita. In fact, this is the only speaker wire they have in stock. I bought three meters to use for my center speaker. This left me with enough gauge 14 wire to finally bi-wire my front DTX towers. And once I had them both bi-wired and started listening I'm going to have to say that ang TINDI ng improvement! There's really a HUGE boost to the power of the mids and the overall clarity.

By the way, I just turned 26 and maingat ako sa ears ko kasi I play an instrument so I guess may kakayahan pa talaga akong mag-discern.

By the way, in bi-wiring, ok lang ba that I'm just using one banana plug to accomodate both wires? Or should I use two separate plugs, one plugged into the other? And should both wires be exactly the same length or ok lang na may konting discrepancy.? Tamad na kasi akong magputol at mag-strip ulit ng wires eh so hindi ko na na-eksakto yung haba.

[dvh]

I wasn't aware 12 gauge wires are scarce these days in the areas you mentioned.  I suggest Raon in Quiapo then.  I really would recommend 12 gauge wires if your receiver terminals can accomodate them regardless of cable length. The difference can become mathematically material starting at around 10-15 meters (mostly in the form of high frequency attenuation and insertion losses). They would likely not be audible for most people above 30, though.    I am way past that age, but I still prefer 12 gauge cables.  If only for peace of mind.  In this hobby, it's better to err on the side of plenty, I always say.    Especially if price differences are not so objectionable. Just my thoughts.

Good news!  i just came back from festival mall and i found a gauge 12 speaker wire harris brand!  i bought 20 meters for 75php/meter!  laking mura compared sa spectra at 90php/meter!

[shuttertrigger]

Good news!  i just came back from festival mall and i found a gauge 12 speaker wire harris brand!  i bought 20 meters for 75php/meter!  laking mura compared sa spectra at 90php/meter!

sir dvh, congrats on your new toy! mukhang enjoy na enjoy na ang new year! hehehhe 

[backdraft]

Sir dvh, san sa festival mo nabili yun wire harris

tnx

[dvh]

Sir dvh, san sa festival mo nabili yun wire harris

tnx

electronics depot sa festival mall.  malapit sa ace hardware!
laking mura compared sa spectra makati...

yung harris oks din kasi transparent din sya at OFC...

dvh

[arthurallanj]

thanks very much for the feedback. malamang na PL100 na din na center yung mabili ko. 

sir arthurallanj kumusta yung pag audition mo ng Euros? 

Well, first of all, the size of the Euros 8 overwhelmed me, I didn't expect it to be that huge. Kahit na nga ang Euros 6 e, didn't think it was also that big. The sound of the towers were very good in terms of clarity and bass. Although I expected it to have more bass since a lot of fellow PDVDers said it was too boomy. I didn't think it was too boomy, especially when listening to audio. Maybe it's because they were using a Yamaha RX-V630. I listened to all the speakers individually and asked that the sub be turned off. The bookshelf and center Euros reminded me of my Yamaha NS-P50. They did not have the usual apparent highs that typical Daiichis have. I could say this since I have the NS-E50 as my Surrounds and Daiichis as my center surround in my bedroom set up, and listening to audio with DTS neo:6 would definitely show timbre differences between both. Showing yet another proof of the probability that Daiichi is copying Yamaha's NS-555 and NS-777 because of the seemingly change in timbre of the Euros. The Towers were very good, the bookshelf and the center seemed to be at par with the towers but if there's any difference in clarity and bass strength, this is most probably because of the fact that the center and bookshelf are two-way, two-speaker systems while the towers are three-way, four-speaker systems. The PL-100 didn't attract me as much as the Euros. The PL towers didn't sound as good as the Euros, lacking in detail and clarity, this may be because of the fact that the PL has no midrange driver, so definitely, the PL towers are a bit inferior if compared with the Euros towers. The PL center and bookshelf have more apparent highs compared with the Euros, making me conclude that the Euros are perfect for Yamaha amps which are usually bright. All in all, if the DTX 9.5 system was a great bang for the buck bargain, the Euros 8 is even moreso. More personal reviews comong soon after my Euros 8 system arrives this Wednesday, I went to Manila kasi on the 25th and 26th e, and auditioned the speakers then, but only order/purchased them on the 28th, so hinihintay ko pa sya dumating and break it in.

[vtec3]

sir arthur, thanks very much for your initial feedback.  will await your full review and delay my purchase of the center speakers. 

[Jude]

Wala ba ditong may alam ng nagbebenta ng mura lang na Dai-Ichi cubes? I want to use the cubes kasi as satellites for my condo mini-HT setup. P1,350 sila sa Robinsons Ermita. Magkano ba going price nito sa Raon? Any cheap but good alternatives to the Dai-ichi cubes that you guys know of? Maliit lang na speakers na madaling i-drive.

[arthurallanj]

Wala ba ditong may alam ng nagbebenta ng mura lang na Dai-Ichi cubes? I want to use the cubes kasi as satellites for my condo mini-HT setup. P1,350 sila sa Robinsons Ermita. Magkano ba going price nito sa Raon? Any cheap but good alternatives to the Dai-ichi cubes that you guys know of? Maliit lang na speakers na madaling i-drive.

To my knowledge, at Moses Aaron you can get a pair of Audiofile SA-3s for about a thousand, the last time I bought a pair, I got it for 1,008 pesos. I'm quite certain you can still get it for about that price. Even though I have bought 4 pairs of those SA-3s and even got a pair of LS-32s, I wouldn't suggest getting them. I would suggest getting a pair of Egg Sattelites or any small two-way speaker system or bookshelf speakers from Daiichi. Why? These cubes (SA-3) can only go as low as 300Hz, while the LS-32s only as low as 200Hz. And this would mean getting localized bass reproduction from your sub if you do set it to go up to 200 or 300 Hz. I suggest getting a pair that could go at least as low as 100Hz. Aside from the Egg Sats I mentioned, try the USAudio US-11C B Bookshelf speakers or may be the DTX 9.5 Bookshelf. Then Daiichi also has this speaker that is shaped like a pear, I forgot the model no., but it's displayed at the Raon Showroom, which is also a two-way speaker system, but like the Egg Sats, has an extra tweeter at the back making it more like a dipolar speaker. HIH. 

[av_phile1]

By the way, in bi-wiring, ok lang ba that I'm just using one banana plug to accomodate both wires? Or should I use two separate plugs, one plugged into the other? And should both wires be exactly the same length or ok lang na may konting discrepancy.? Tamad na kasi akong magputol at mag-strip ulit ng wires eh so hindi ko na na-eksakto yung haba.

On the amp/receiver side, unless your amp/receiver has dual speaker terminals per channel to accommodate bi-wiring per channel, you have no choice but to use one banana terminal for both wire feeds.

At the speaker terminal, you have to use separate banana plugs for highs and lows when bi-wiring.  Make sure you take out the jumper plates connecting the high and low speaker terminals.

In bi-wring, same wire length is the norm.  Small discrepancies won't matter much in a typical room.

Ideally, from a mathematical point, all wire lengths for your center, fronts and rears should be identical.  But don't coil the excess wires so as not to induce inductances that will attenuate the highs.

[arthurallanj]

Sir AV,
Happy New Year po! Just wanna ask if it seems practical to convert a non Biwirable speaker system into a Biwirable one by utilizing the original crossover but separating them by cuttting the circuit and attaching a new terminal to each? I plan to convert the Euros 8, which is non biwirable, to one which is. But since this is a 3-way speaker system, would it be better to make it "TRI-WIRABLE"? Making a separate terminal each for the high, the mid and the low. Hope you can indulge my brainstorm. Thanks. 

[Jude]

On the amp/receiver side, unless your amp/receiver has dual speaker terminals per channel to accommodate bi-wiring per channel, you have no choice but to use one banana terminal for both wire feeds.

At the speaker terminal, you have to use separate banana plugs for highs and lows when bi-wiring.  Make sure you take out the jumper plates connecting the high and low speaker terminals.

My amp only has one terminal per channel but the banana plugs I'm using kasi (Quantum) you can plug one into another, so that's what I meant when I asked about using separate plugs for each wire feed.

No problem with the speaker terminal, I took out the jumper plates, etc.

To my knowledge, at Moses Aaron you can get a pair of Audiofile SA-3s for about a thousand, the last time I bought a pair, I got it for 1,008 pesos. I'm quite certain you can still get it for about that price. Even though I have bought 4 pairs of those SA-3s and even got a pair of LS-32s, I wouldn't suggest getting them. I would suggest getting a pair of Egg Sattelites or any small two-way speaker system or bookshelf speakers from Daiichi. Why? These cubes (SA-3) can only go as low as 300Hz, while the LS-32s only as low as 200Hz. And this would mean getting localized bass reproduction from your sub if you do set it to go up to 200 or 300 Hz. I suggest getting a pair that could go at least as low as 100Hz. Aside from the Egg Sats I mentioned, try the USAudio US-11C B Bookshelf speakers or may be the DTX 9.5 Bookshelf. Then Daiichi also has this speaker that is shaped like a pear, I forgot the model no., but it's displayed at the Raon Showroom, which is also a two-way speaker system, but like the Egg Sats, has an extra tweeter at the back making it more like a dipolar speaker. HIH.

I already have a DTX/euros 6 set kasi for our main HT setup. This setup that I'm planning on using the cubes for is just for a very small condo room where I figure that the surround effects may be barely appreciable. I already have a leftover powered sub so I guess bass won't be much of a problem. And the fronts and center speakers I've been using are already pretty good already so I was thinking of skimping on the surrounds, both in terms of size and price. As in REALLY skimping, not much more than 1K per pair and not much larger than the cubes would be ideal. What did you do with all your pairs of cube speakers? How much are the LS-32s or the Egg sats?

Last time I went to Raon, DTX bookshelves were out of stock everywhere. Anyway, they're still a bit too big and pricey for my purposes.

[dvh]

guys,

i just went back to megamall to pick up the speakers i bought last week.  and according to the salespeople there, they already received management directive to bring back the prices of euros8/6 to their original prices which is double of their current prices.

due to this i bought an extra pair of euros8 surround spkrs (i'll use it as my surround back left-right) that i will parallel-connect to my 6.1 avr to make it 7.1 speaker setup.

regards,
dvh

[aRujoN]

to jude,
             The egg sats costs P1500 when i bought a pair at knight audio, but that was way back late 2003. I use them as surrounds in my setup. The sats are rated at 8 ohms and can go low as 140hz. The sensitivity is impressive, its rated at 92 db. Hope this helps.

[vtec3]

guys,

i just went back to megamall to pick up the speakers i bought last week.  and according to the salespeople there, they already received management directive to bring back the prices of euros8/6 to their original prices which is double of their current prices.

this is not a good news, i have yet to buy my center speaker. dvh would you know when they will  implement the new prices. thanks.

[Yakuini]

guys,

i just went back to megamall to pick up the speakers i bought last week.  and according to the salespeople there, they already received management directive to bring back the prices of euros8/6 to their original prices which is double of their current prices.
due to this i bought an extra pair of euros8 surround spkrs (i'll use it as my surround back left-right) that i will parallel-connect to my 6.1 avr to make it 7.1 speaker setup.

regards,
dvh

Now that worries me. Baka di ako umabot ah.

Bossing, nagbigay ba sila ng date kung kailan ang price increase ng Euro 8?

[skylark]

floor stander ng daichi ilang watts and mag kano po

salamat 

[arthurallanj]

guys,

i just went back to megamall to pick up the speakers i bought last week.  and according to the salespeople there, they already received management directive to bring back the prices of euros8/6 to their original prices which is double of their current prices.

due to this i bought an extra pair of euros8 surround spkrs (i'll use it as my surround back left-right) that i will parallel-connect to my 6.1 avr to make it 7.1 speaker setup.

regards,
dvh

They told me nung nandun ako on the 26th na babalik nga daw sa dating prices nya yung Euros e. Sumobra lang daw kasi talaga ang stocks nila. I still need to get two more pairs, one pair for the 6th and 7th channel back surrounds and the other pair for the presence channels, sana di ako maabutan ng price increase.

Bro dvh,
Would you be so kind as to ask exactly when they are going to implement this bringing back of the prices, please? Thanks. 

[arthurallanj]

I already have a DTX/euros 6 set kasi for our main HT setup. This setup that I'm planning on using the cubes for is just for a very small condo room where I figure that the surround effects may be barely appreciable. I already have a leftover powered sub so I guess bass won't be much of a problem. And the fronts and center speakers I've been using are already pretty good already so I was thinking of skimping on the surrounds, both in terms of size and price. As in REALLY skimping, not much more than 1K per pair and not much larger than the cubes would be ideal. What did you do with all your pairs of cube speakers? How much are the LS-32s or the Egg sats?

Last time I went to Raon, DTX bookshelves were out of stock everywhere. Anyway, they're still a bit too big and pricey for my purposes.

I still have 3 pairs of SA-3s at home, and soon I will have to dispose of them, but I plan to keep at least a pair of those SA-3s and my LS-32. Maybe I can sell 2 pairs to you soon but my prob is that I'm in Bacolod pa, so I still have to ship it to you if ever.

The LS-32 cost me about 1,700 dati. Yes, it seems very expensive if compared with the SA-3. But these are very heavy, way heavier than the SA-3 and has a lower frequency response and also has a steel grill.

The last time I asked, that was about 3 months ago, Moses Aaron could give you a pair of Egg Sats for about 1.7K, very little difference in price with the DTX 9.5 Bookshelf, which you could get for about 2.1K. And the 9.5 is definitely a better speaker.

Now, the reason why I'm suggesting that you get speakers that can go at least as low as 100Hz is the fact that once you feed your sub with a signal above 100Hz, it's gonna be localized, meaning, if all the other channels have a signal below 300Hz (If indeed you'd be using the SA-3) the sound is gonna heard coming from the direction where the sub is located. If you set your sub to have a 100Hz cutoff, there's gonna be a "hole" in the frequency spectrum that your system produces. Let's say your system produces a 150Hz signal and you're using all SA-3s and a sub with a 100Hz cutoff, you wouldn't be hearing it, 'coz no speaker in your system is audibly reproducing it. So what I'm really suggesting is, get a speaker, any inexpensive speaker for that matter, that can go at least as low as 100Hz. HIH.

[dvh]

They told me nung nandun ako on the 26th na babalik nga daw sa dating prices nya yung Euros e. Sumobra lang daw kasi talaga ang stocks nila. I still need to get two more pairs, one pair for the 6th and 7th channel back surrounds and the other pair for the presence channels, sana di ako maabutan ng price increase.

Bro dvh,
Would you be so kind as to ask exactly when they are going to implement this bringing back of the prices, please? Thanks. 

I called daiichi today and they told me that they already got the verbal confirmation from mngt to bring back the prices of euros to original prices and they are just waiting for the formal (black/white) document from mgnt for them to implement it.  They cant give the exact date as they obviously dont know that but they have a feeling that it will be implemented next week or the next.

regards,
dvh