Topic: Dai-ichi Speakers & sub

[Chito C.]

avr po sir.

[av_phile1]

Hey Sir AV,

Musta na po? It's been a long time. Not to contest your post sir, but for the sake of discussion, isn't it true that all five channels have full range response? So, some detail may be missed if the lower frequencies are filtered to the sub, right? But I guess that's the purpose of the sub, to take care of all the lower frequencies below the cut off. Just a thought. Sent you a PM sir. God Bless.

Hey bros kt and lawin,
Sir AV is the one who has taught me a lot. He's THE Man!
 

Thanks for the endorsement Arthur.     Glad to be of help.

As to your question, each channel in HT receivers these days is capable of full range.  But not all DVD materials take advantage of this.  And no, filtering the lows to the sub is not supposed to result in detail losses.    Unless you have a sonic hole between the mains and the sub caused by wide disparities in crossover points or the freqeuncy response abilities of each that can't allow seamless dovetailing. 

[Lawin]

Hi Guys!!!

Went to Daiichi Showroom sa Mega Mall this morning. Inaudition ko uli yung Euros8 tower in stereo mode and without subs, may bass naman sya unlike mine na parang anemic. Say nung bagong staff nila (ala na si Elmer, pinalitan lahat ng dating assigned duon) hanggang mid-bass lang talaga yun design nuon and yu need the sub for deeper bass. Wala din daw kinalalaman yung speaker wires.

They said to bring it back para ma-test and compare ( bigat pa naman nun) or do a test if any of the 8" speakers is working and remove them myself if defective.

Mag-tweak muna ako as suggested earlier before I decide to bring it there for testing/comparison. Maybe its really our room or speaker placements... etc.   

[obey]

Lawin,

Try mo rin check yung dynamic range setting ng receiver mo.  Dapat nasa MAX siya. Kung di ka rin gagamit ng sub, set mo lang sa MAIN yung LFE.  Nagiging manipis and medyo mas matigas ang  bass pag naka BOTH ang LFE output.  IMHO.

[fweyd]

WEEEE

just called daicihi megamall Euros8 tower daw nila is 6+ lang(di ko narinig) haha..

meron po ba kyong picture ng Euros 8 tower?? i mean except from the Daicihi website.. Mukang ito nalang bibilhn ko .. 10-15 lang budget ko e 

im still thinking kung Diamond 9.5 or Diamond 8.4 nalang bibilhn ko since Towers lang naman need ko (as fronts) sa tingin nyo worth it ba yung Double the money sa Wharfes ?

[vtec3]

WEEEE

just called daicihi megamall Euros8 tower daw nila is 6+ lang(di ko narinig) haha..

meron po ba kyong picture ng Euros 8 tower?? i mean except from the Daicihi website.. Mukang ito nalang bibilhn ko .. 10-15 lang budget ko e 

Got this dun sa mga previous picture post ko. I am not sure if they change na yung color  Hope this helps 

[fweyd]

maganda naman pala e.. pero mas maganda talga porma ng wharfes 

san kya pwede bumili ng Wharfedale na cover ng speaker?? yung black 

[arthurallanj]

Sir AV,
Just spreading the love, sir. Thanks din po.

Bro fweyd,

The Euros 8 are much bigger than the Wharfe 9.5. They have similar curved side enclosures. And I've heard both, the Euros has better clarity and better bass. In terms of price to performance ratio, I think the Euros 8 is the winner. But that's just me. 

Bro Lawin,

I don't know if you rememeber me mentioning to set the SP LFE to Max just like bro obey said. I'm quite sure you just missed something in the setting kaya ganyan. Good luck. Sarap mangalikot no? 

To everybody else interested about Daiichis. The frequency response ratings pala is based on a +/- 4dB level. Just found that out recently. Peace!

[Lawin]

Bro Art/Obey,

Nakaset naman sya sa MAX. Medyo di ko muna "kinalikot" kagabi, galit na si wife eh. Nanuod na lang muna kami ng James Last na Concert. Mostly trumpets, violins, guitars .... ganda naman tunog at bass integration.

Sir AV_Phile,

Sayang di ko pa matest yung bass sweep siguro sa weekend ko sked including yung suggestion ni Sir Ahobbit to check for room cancellations.

  Di naman siguro maapektuhan yung AVR if I remove one of the speakers. Incidentally, kung may room cancellations ako how can I fix it?


Cheers guys for all the help, specially Bro Art and Sir AV_Phile 

[vtec3]

WEEEE

just called daicihi megamall Euros8 tower daw nila is 6+ lang(di ko narinig) haha..

went to Daiichi Mega kanina and naka sale nga ang Euros nila 

Pati yung mga sub naka sale :

Euros 8 Sub                  6,048
DTX 4.12                       7,594
       4.10                       6,581

Fyi       

[fweyd]

@vtec3:

is that the euros8 model?? kasi sabi po sa site 3 6.5" Drivers daw un? 

[jerix]

Lawin --- kung ako sayo i will borrow muna an amp just to try it with the speakers, before bring those heavy speakers back to daiichi for testing -- baka kasi malaman mo with that kung nasaan and problema... sa amp or sa speakers talaga 

[vtec3]

@vtec3:

is that the euros8 model?? kasi sabi po sa site 3 6.5" Drivers daw un? 

if you are referring to the picture I posted, yup those are Euros8. sometimes as what was mentioned by Sir Art na iba yung nasa website nila as against the actual. 

you might want to visit them sa Mega although medyo di comfortable kasi nag renovate sila and amoy paint sa loob.

[arthurallanj]

@vtec3:

is that the euros8 model?? kasi sabi po sa site 3 6.5" Drivers daw un? 

A lot of entries in the website are inaccurate. Kahit na sa pictures na lang e, mey entry na sabi triple woofers pero the picture shows two woofers and a mid. Best to just visit the stores.

[leomar]

kaya ba ng sakura av387a ang euros8? hehe
balak ko kasi bumili ng euros 8 or 6 e, kaya ba ng sakura yun?

[fweyd]

i might visit them this sunday baka bumili na rin ako

WAAAAH! excited na ako.. kaso nakakahya.. sobrang n00bie ko.. 

ano advice nyo ?? first time ko lang kasi bumili ng HT gears

[H a n $]

Guys,

Saw at Phasetron some Dai-ichi speaker on display para sa makati boys lapit na.

[arthurallanj]

i might visit them this sunday baka bumili na rin ako

WAAAAH! excited na ako.. kaso nakakahya.. sobrang n00bie ko.. 

ano advice nyo ?? first time ko lang kasi bumili ng HT gears

Never be ashamed to ask questions and audition all you want sa store, mababait naman sila doon e. Good luck.

[Lawin]

Guys,

Did some tweaking again and performed calibration via YPAO as we also did some room rearrengement. One thing I noticed though is that the level of the FL speaker was set at 0db while the FR is  +2db. I switched the position of the speakers, performed calibration again and now the FL is +2db while the FR is 0 db.  Is this normal na  pwedeng mahina yung isa or may isang sirang speaker duon sa medyo mahina na tower?

With regards to the Euros8 being bass anemic, I can hear good sounding mid-bass sounds (to the point that I can feel it in my chest at 3ft away) if I turn the volume at -10db listening to a stereo source and yung front speakers lang ang pinagagana ko.  Bro Art , tama lang ba ito?

Sir AV_Phile,

I further tweaked my towers/sub-combination using the wav file you sent me. Parang mas maganda naman na ngayun bass transition na although parang masOK for stereo sources pag yung LFE  is set to BOTH .and 80-90 Hz ang crossover.


Cheers . . . 
 

[arthurallanj]

Bro lawin,

That's a possibility. You know, the other tower being not the same with the other. Why not check the possibly defective speaker's individual drivers by placing your ear near the tweeter then covering it with a cupped had and uncovering it again. There should be an audible difference when you do that. The same goes with the midrange. With the woofers, all you need to do is touch the cones or the dustcap and if it pushes then it's okay, or you can get a battery and connect the speaker wires to the battery and you should see the woofers move up or down depending on polarity.

With stereo sources, I found that Yamahas seem to work well with DTS Neo:6 Music. Yamaha HT receivers haven't always been great with audio sources. 

[av_phile1]

Guys,

Did some tweaking again and performed calibration via YPAO as we also did some room rearrengement. One thing I noticed though is that the level of the FL speaker was set at 0db while the FR is  +2db. I switched the position of the speakers, performed calibration again and now the FL is +2db while the FR is 0 db.  Is this normal na  pwedeng mahina yung isa or may isang sirang speaker duon sa medyo mahina na tower?

Ideally they should deliver the same SPLs to your listening position.  And the room accoustics adjacent to or around each front speaker should be identical.  That means the room conditions and furtniture situations for L and R speaker placement should be symmetric.  Otherwise, you may need to adjsust the left or the right speaker's volume depending on the degree of reverb emnating from the surrounding conditions of each speaker.  2-3db is not uncommon when L and R room conditions are disimilar.  I'm assuming that neither speaker has any defect or disparity. 

[av_phile1]

Ideally they should deliver the same SPLs to your listening position.  And the room accoustics adjacent to or around each front speaker should be identical.  That means the room conditions and furtniture situations for L and R speaker placement should be symmetric.  Otherwise, you may need to adjsust the left or the right speaker's volume depending on the degree of reverb emnating from the surrounding conditions of each speaker.  2-3db is not uncommon when L and R room conditions are disimilar.  I'm assuming that neither speaker has any defect or performance disparity. 

[fweyd]

WAHAHAHAHA i just got my Euros6 !! WAHAHAHAHHA so nice

i was supposed to get the Euros 8 kaso my room is so small, masyadong Overkill...

grabe, napaka value pala ng speakers na toh.. shiet! ang clear.. specially sa new album ng bamboo, Grey Street ng DMB..

I was supposed to get a Sub rin kaso parang di ako satisfied! DTX 4.10 ang na audition ko pati 4.12 .. parang kulang 

tapos pag nilakasan naman sabog na..  i really dunno kung ganun tlga un..

well at least im happy with my speakers ang complain ko lang dito, medyo matining yung highs..

crap.. di pa na break in toh.. sobrang trip ko na! hahahah

i love daiichi .. 

got it for 5,7xxx pala.. dapat 5,3xxx kaso card e 

thanks everyone for recomending me zehh euros 

[arthurallanj]

Congrats bro! Ano nga pala amp mo? You should have also auditioned the USAudio 512. Although less accurate but very powerful. 

[Lawin]

Hi Guys!

I've checked my Euros tower speakers  as the other  ay medyo mahina by 2db (or mas malakas yung isa?) and tried to listen if any of the drivers is not working (tumutunog naman lahat, para lang mahina ng konti yung tweeter nuong isa). I guess I'll let daichi service check it na lang later. 

For now enjoy muna namin ulit, specially after I've installed last night a pair of bass shakers sa couch (sarap manuood ng concerts and action movies! the kids really love it  ).

I'm just wondering na after installing the bass shakers (using the rca output ng euros sub) may nararamdaman kami ngayun na parang hangin na sumusimpit (light breeze) coming out of the Euro Sub (dati ala naman?).. .  or nataon lang na nakuha ko tamang setting?

Cheers ....

[kt]

bro fweyd congrats!  ako di parin makapili na bibilin! hehe

[vtec3]

WAHAHAHAHA i just got my Euros6 !! WAHAHAHAHHA so nice

i was supposed to get the Euros 8 kaso my room is so small, masyadong Overkill...

grabe, napaka value pala ng speakers na toh.. shiet! ang clear.. specially sa new album ng bamboo, Grey Street ng DMB..

I was supposed to get a Sub rin kaso parang di ako satisfied! DTX 4.10 ang na audition ko pati 4.12 .. parang kulang 

tapos pag nilakasan naman sabog na..  i really dunno kung ganun tlga un..

well at least im happy with my speakers ang complain ko lang dito, medyo matining yung highs..

s**t.. di pa na break in toh.. sobrang trip ko na! hahahah

i love daiichi .. 

got it for 5,7xxx pala.. dapat 5,3xxx kaso card e 

thanks everyone for recomending me zehh euros 

gaganda pa tunog niyan bro  Congrats 

[gonefishing]

guys, ano ma recommend ninyong receiver for euro 6? around 15k max ang budget.... tapos ok lang ba na 4 towers na lang ang kunin ko and 1 center speaker insted na mad 2-bookshelf ako? ok land ba na next time ko na lang bumili ng sub?

[Chito C.]

Parang overkill kung puro towers pero sarap nun. yamaha entry level avr's will fit ur budget. I got my rxv-440 last year at 13.5k. kung gagamitin mo full potential ng 4 towers sa avr baka mahirapan avr mo kasi power hungry ang towers kaya usual setup for ht is bookshelf ang surrounds tapos may dedicated powered sub ka para hindi hirap yung avr mo.

[fweyd]

@arthur

Old School lang haha.. Yamaha Prologic RXV-490 . . walang sub out ung tae   

kinuha ko ung JL Audio 15" Sub ng kuya ko .. yung pang car.. kinabit ko sa Front Left ng AVR ko.. HA HA HA HA !!! Pwede! kaso i need a crossover of somesort kasi may tunog rin lumalabas hndi lang ung "BOOM" or "UGS"

il get a pic soon.. ito lang setup ko..

Yamaha RXV-490
Dai-1chi Euros 6 Towers 100watts ( front left and front right of Speaker Group A)
Sony Bookshelf speakers 80 watts (galing sa mini-component ko.. Front Left and Front Right of Speaker Group B) <-- hindi pa kasi abot yung wire para sa likod ng bed ko as surrounds.. du-dugtungan ko pa.
JL-Audio 15" Subwoofer (hindi ko alam model) (Front Left of Speaker Group B)

so kumbaga, 2 wire nakakabit sa Front Left ng Speaker Group B.. yung isang bookshelf pati ung Sub 

next bibilin ko cguro bagong AVR para may sariling SUB OUT na pati Euros 6 Center Channel