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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #510 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 04:53 AM »
Dared 2a3C is also good if you like better power set for AN.

Also this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009ZP8VHU


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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #511 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 05:02 AM »
uy, good morning bro....aga gumising...patulog naman ako...

nyak, 100 british pounds....hehehe...sensya na, hanggang diy lang tayo..mahal sa 6k......mahal pati ng mga items sa UK...sample ung chord signature, nagsale yan dito, sayang nga at di ako nakakuha..... :( :( :(

will try other info's/sites na lang bro, just incase. not all diy naman are bad. if sakali hindi magmatch, sayang sakali yung pambili...if diy lang, mura, ok lang. just my 2 centavo fils... ;)
Be careful with using copper foil for speaker wire.  It can destroy your amp if it did not match.

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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #512 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 05:13 AM »
Go for Aikido 2a3 set with edrel's top of the line tranny.

May copper foil din si edrel.
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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #513 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 05:43 AM »
 Copper Foil Speaker Cable Feedback


http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=64975.0


http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/65731-copper-foil-versus-wire-inductors.html

I think copper foil speaker wires are very good.  But i don't think it will benefit AN fullrange more. AN character are detailed, define.  So using this will weaken the bass a little but will increase details.  Maybe the copper foil is best with speakers with x over. If i am not mistaken, Edrel was already using copper foil speaker wire with xovered speaker.

Nevertheless, i still want to hear feedbacks from users of this speaker wires with fullrange speakers (no xover).
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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #514 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 06:08 AM »
Sir Mon, ano yung ginagamit sa loob ng speaker foam pwede b roxul insulation kasi na try ko lagyan ng foam at ok naman kaya lang ordinary foam lang yung ginamit ko...

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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #515 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 07:06 AM »
Sir Mon, ano yung ginagamit sa loob ng speaker foam pwede b roxul insulation kasi na try ko lagyan ng foam at ok naman kaya lang ordinary foam lang yung ginamit ko...
Basta kung di polyfiber, rock wool, dapat rubber foam type like uratex's.
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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #516 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 08:35 AM »
Just want to share some photos of my Adcom GCA 510 Power capacitors (10kuf 50v x 4), B+rail caps (Mundorf Mlytic+Evox Rifa caps), Vol.pot caps (.02uf sprague orange drop+.004 oil cap).




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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #517 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 08:38 AM »
 :)SQ? I love tube sounding amp.
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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #518 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 01:02 PM »
^Eto yung sinaswap mo sa A400 di ba?  hmmmmnn.. ::)  ::) ::)

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« Reply #519 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 01:44 PM »
Sir Mon, ano yung ginagamit sa loob ng speaker foam pwede b roxul insulation kasi na try ko lagyan ng foam at ok naman kaya lang ordinary foam lang yung ginamit ko...

any of the mentioned foam ni bro mon....after, try mo iplay ung way down deep ni jessica hunter ;), hear the difference...  (i remember that piece of song from a pdvd member way back when i had the LSI  :D :D)

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« Reply #520 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 01:50 PM »

Nevertheless, i still want to hear feedbacks from users of this speaker wires with fullrange speakers (no xover).

this is the reason why i want to test it myself bro. this what this guy claims from his post;

Through my "Son" the bass got surprisingly robust, as David Dicks said it would, but the trebles were still too shrill, the violins too "wiry." I swapped out my Home Depot speaker cables (which work fine with other speakers needing some sparkle), and I put in a pair of Goertz, copper-ribbon, "MI 2 Veracity"speaker cables made by Alpha-Core, the least expensive but truly high grade cables I know of. That really did it. Finally I'd found the combination that worked excellently with the speakers, (which cost more than my lo-budge cables, but less than the fancy schmecker stuff I have around the old surfer shack), and I was confident the speakers sounded as good as they could. I believe the reviewer has a responsibility to the readers and the gear to get everything sounding its best before it is evaluated. It is time consuming, but only fair.

How'd they sound?

They sounded surprisingly good. They are very clean, and have this quality of seeming to place you in the room with the musicians that is sometimes uncanny. On records I know and like, say, Marta Gomez's Cantos De Agua Dulce (Chesky JD 281), there is something very realistic about the percussive instruments, drums, wood block, drumsticks, hand clapping that I hear on few speakers. Then, a few ticks later, there is a hear-through-the-veils moment, a segue to a very delicate guitar accompanying Gomez's haunting voice. To me it feels as if I am in the studio, or listening to the master-tapes of dreams, her dreams, and it has a captivating effect.



read more from this site :

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue24/audio_nirvana.htm

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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #521 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 05:56 PM »
Tempting to have this. All i need copper foil and shrinkable tube.
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« Reply #522 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 06:01 PM »
Sir Mon, ano yung ginagamit sa loob ng speaker foam pwede b roxul insulation kasi na try ko lagyan ng foam at ok naman kaya lang ordinary foam lang yung ginamit ko...
Roxul is stone wool...rock wool puwede yan.
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« Reply #523 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 06:02 PM »
^Eto yung sinaswap mo sa A400 di ba?  hmmmmnn.. ::)  ::) ::)
Hindi na bro nagbago na isip ko. Sori
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« Reply #524 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 07:32 PM »
Hindi na bro nagbago na isip ko. Sori

Di mo naman kasi pinakita yung loob nyan dati eh!  ;D Halimaw pala!  >:D Oks lang may napupusuan na akong amp... AN din.  ;)

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« Reply #525 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 07:48 PM »
Tempting to have this. All i need copper foil and shrinkable tube.

Madali lang paratingin to, yung heat shrink tubes madami ako, red black and clear, 3/8" and 1/2" sizes.  :)

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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #526 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 07:50 PM »
Copper Foil Speaker Cable Feedback


http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=64975.0

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/65731-copper-foil-versus-wire-inductors.html

I think copper foil speaker wires are very good.  But i don't think it will benefit AN fullrange more. AN character are detailed, define.  So using this will weaken the bass a little but will increase details.  Maybe the copper foil is best with speakers with x over. If i am not mistaken, Edrel was already using copper foil speaker wire with xovered speaker.

Nevertheless, i still want to hear feedbacks from users of this speaker wires with fullrange speakers (no xover).

mon these guys are talking about inductors not cables. so specifically they mean coils used in standard crossovers. there are however flat speaker cables (ribbons) that one can try. expensive..


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Re: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Good Price, High End SQ
« Reply #527 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 08:05 PM »
^ ito ba yan sir? Order na ako ng isa para sa AN ko.  :)

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/copper-foil-inductors/298


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« Reply #528 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 09:04 PM »
^ ito ba yan sir? Order na ako ng isa para sa AN ko.  :)

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/copper-foil-inductors/298



What is this used for, bro?

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« Reply #529 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 09:08 PM »
yes it is but will you need one for for a fullrange? or will you be making an RCL network for your speakers?

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« Reply #530 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 10:42 PM »
^For DIY copper foil flat speaker cable, internal and external wiring. I wonder if it matches the ANs or even improve it more.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/494408/diy-foil-audio-cables-info

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« Reply #531 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM »
What is this used for, bro?

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The links that was  posted recently, including my initial posts are inductors, basically used for crossovers. I am thinking it can be used also as speaker cables. But as per sir edrel, as what ive understand, hindi pwede gamitin.


I just want to know ung claim ng ibang gumagamit ng ribbon copper cables were true or not, kaya i am searching for a cheaper way para di masayang.

May nakita na ako bfore gumamit ng ribbon spkr cables sa home theater thread,but di ko matandaan kung sino. He's a good diyer sa speaker din. I think sir jen also before had one, xindak brand ng flat cables.

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« Reply #532 on: Jun 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM »
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The links that was  posted recently, including my initial posts are inductors, basically used for crossovers. I am thinking it can be used also as speaker cables. But as per sir edrel, as what ive understand, hindi pwede gamitin.


I just want to know ung claim ng ibang gumagamit ng ribbon copper cables were true or not, kaya i am searching for a cheaper way para di masayang.

May nakita na ako bfore gumamit ng ribbon spkr cables sa home theater thread,but di ko matandaan kung sino. He's a good diyer sa speaker din. I think sir jen also before had one, xindak brand ng flat cables.

Ah, my main speaker cables are Nordost Flat copper cables.

They are very, very good.  You should try to look for these cables. May mid-range and high-end cables (price wise) ang Nordost brand.

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« Reply #533 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 01:21 AM »
mon these guys are talking about inductors not cables. so specifically they mean coils used in standard crossovers. there are however flat speaker cables (ribbons) that one can try. expensive..


Yes bro exactly yan nga ginagamit nila. It's like a flat magnet wire. But after review, only valve or tube amp can be use with theae type of speaker cables because it can affect
Impedance of an amplifier, i think. If the amp cannot go down to 2 ohms and fhe design is not high current, it can destroy the amp. Even Naim is not compatible with this. 
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« Reply #534 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 01:27 AM »
^ ito ba yan sir? Order na ako ng isa para sa AN ko.  :)

http://www.parts-express.com/cat/copper-foil-inductors/298



Bro di sa lahat ng amp puwede ito.  Kailangan nak tubo ma o tlga high current tranny mo. Sige subukan ml at mura lang naman.
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« Reply #535 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 01:41 AM »
Madali lang paratingin to, yung heat shrink tubes madami ako, red black and clear, 3/8" and 1/2" sizes.  :)

Bro if you will order it must be gauge 12 kahit 3 mts.per speaker ang haba. Kailangan ko pala 6 mts.  Pang tubo itong speaker cable na ito. Update mo na lang ako.
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« Reply #536 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 02:31 AM »
To defcon and dts: Kindly use the specs of M1 Alpha Core goertz copper foil speaker cable.  Do nof use the specs of M2.

Specs of M1 only:
http://www.goertzaudio.com/contents/en-us/d16_MI_Speaker_Cables.html

The low inductance and characteristic impedance of Goertz cables are due to their flat construction and the nature of their insulation and jacketing material. The configuration places the heavy, solid conductors only 0.003 inches apart. The cables are 0.4 or 0.8 inches wide, and only 0.04 inches thick. As thin as a penny.

M1 alpha goertz copper foil is ideal for all types of speakers including AN.  Here is where you can buy it cheap and by bulk...


http://www.thecableco.com/Product/category.aspx?cid=371
http://www.thecableco.com/Product/MI-1-Center-Stage-10456

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« Reply #538 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 03:16 AM »
To defcon and dts: Kindly use the specs of M1 Alpha Core goertz copper foil speaker cable.  Do nof use the specs of M2.

Specs of M1 only:
http://www.goertzaudio.com/contents/en-us/d16_MI_Speaker_Cables.html

The low inductance and characteristic impedance of Goertz cables are due to their flat construction and the nature of their insulation and jacketing material. The configuration places the heavy, solid conductors only 0.003 inches apart. The cables are 0.4 or 0.8 inches wide, and only 0.04 inches thick. As thin as a penny.

M1 alpha goertz copper foil is ideal for all types of speakers including AN.  Here is where you can buy it cheap and by bulk...


http://www.thecableco.com/Product/category.aspx?cid=371
http://www.thecableco.com/Product/MI-1-Center-Stage-10456



great! 170dollars bulk.....ipasok na yannn...nyaahahaha....

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« Reply #539 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 03:27 AM »
Review of Alpha Core GoertZ M1 Copper Foil Speaker Cable


http://www.goertzaudio.com/contents/en-us/d16_MI_Speaker_Cables.html


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