Topic: Audio Nirvana Fullrange Speakers - Fair Price, High End SQ

[monreq]

Pagipunan ko muna bro yung kay sir edrel. Kakahiya,wala pa ako pondo. Pag handa na, pm ko agad sya. Will let you know

Gagawa pa din namn si edrel either may bumili o wala. Pero sana ikaw makakuha. Madali namn kausap yon basta matagal n sa pinoydvd.

[defcon3]

Gagawa pa din namn si edrel either may bumili o wala. Pero sana ikaw makakuha. Madali namn kausap yon basta matagal n sa pinoydvd.

Noted bro.

Papaantok,nagscroll ako nung sinasabi ko member na gumamit din ng copper foil spkr  cable



BINGO! Stark3 paging paging. Baka may masource out pa sya  99% pure copper foil.

 http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.0.html

[monreq]

Noted bro.

Papaantok,nagscroll ako nung sinasabi ko member na gumamit din ng copper foil spkr  cable



BINGO! Stark3 paging paging. Baka may masource out pa sya  99% pure copper foil.

 http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162110.0.html

Alm mo kahit copper foil tape lang panalo na. Yung experiment namin ni edrel napaka nipis at kitid lang. At first i doubted it ksi nga fullrange gamit natin at wala xover. I was wrong ang ganda ng over all.

[defcon3]

Alm mo kahit copper foil tape lang panalo na. Yung experiment namin ni edrel napaka nipis at kitid lang. At first i doubted it ksi nga fullrange gamit natin at wala xover. I was wrong ang ganda ng over all.

Huhuhu,wag mo na muna ako patakamin bro. Di ako makakatulog nyan.

Ive been reading and searching how to  maximize the an full potential. Pansin ko lang, napakasensitive nya, kaya required ng low powered tube amp to drive them.


Sign off muna.maya salubungin ko bago dating sa airport.

[dts_hdma]

Lima lang tayo nagtatagisan dito... Daming inquiries, madadagdagan kaya tayong nagpopost dito? To help increase our numbers, how about 10k for a pair of AN Super 8 Steel Frame. Just post your reservations here.  No PDVD rules. This is not the market place!  Regarding the enclosure, source out na lang kayo sa iba. I can't offer it due to busy sched.

Madaming what if sa audio journey, pero tayo dito madami ng nacancel out. Iikot na lang tayo sa pagpapaganda ng AN or upgrade sa higher model. What if alnico? 10"? 12"? 15"?

In my case I am just enjoying the music and not make it complicated by thinking too much about foams and wires. I am more particular sa room acoustics which I will apply for my HT/audio room. My last final upgrade siguro is AN tube amp. Pramis!  

Naglilitawan na sila...  Madaming nag-pm na di pa nagpopost. Let us further sweeten the deal, how about 9.7k pickup only at my place 12-1pm and 7pm onwards. Good Morning! 

Bro monreq ilang mH yang 12AWG copper foil nyo? Mas mataas na inductance mas mahal pero mas mahaba yung copper foil sa loob ng inductor. Gayahin ko yung pic na pinost ko dati pero heat shrink ang pambabalot ko imbis na clear tape. 

[dts_hdma]

Parts list from David Dicks owner of AN:

Cabinet Construction Suggested Parts List

DO NOT USE PORT TUBES OR DUCTS (Except 5.6).  Use only the holes cut in the front baffle as the ports.

Five-Way, Gold Plated Binding Posts (2).  To attach speaker wires from the amplifier.
----MCM Electronics #50-1275

Black Mounting Screws--#6 x ¾ inch long wood screws (.  To secure binding posts to cabinets.
-----Parts Express #081-435

Driver Mounting Screws--#10-32 by one inch long machine screws ( or 1 ¼ inch coarse thread drywall screws (.
----Available at most hardware stores. (Cast frame 10, 12, and 15 inch models require 16 screws to mount a pair)

Driver Mounting Screw 'T' Nuts--#10-32 (.  Use these if you use machine screws. They fit inside the cabinet.
----Parts Express #081-1082

Internal Wire--Two 24 inch lengths of 16 gauge, multistranded copper wire.
----Quality extension cord from any hardware store will do. Cut off the ends.

Female Crimp Connectors--(16-14 gauge .110 inch)  Audio Nirvana drivers require (2).  Fostex drivers require (4).
----MCM Electronics #28-835 or Parts Express #095-286

Female Crimp Connectors--(16-14 gauge .25 inch)  Binding posts require (4).  Audio Nirvana drivers require (2).
----Parts Express #095-280

Use Wire Crimping Tool (available at any hardware store) to make up internal speaker wiring. For both cabinets:
----For Binding Post Terminals:  Use (4) .25 inch female connectors.
----For Input Terminals on Audio Nirvana Drivers:  Use (2) .25 and (2) .110 female connectors.
----For Input Terminals on Lowther Drivers:  Terminals tighten on bare wire.
----For Input Terminals on Fostex Drivers:  Use (4) .110 female connectors.
----For Input Terminals on PAudio Drivers:  Terminals tighten on bare wire.

Cabinet Insulation--We recommend R11, R12, or R13 fiberglass insulation (2 ½ -3 ½ inches thick).  Apply to the inside of the top, back, sides, and bottom but not the inside of the front baffle.  It should be about 1 inch (25 mm) thick or tall, when installed.
---- Available at most hardware stores.  Home Depot has a nice tan color available.
---- Or use MCM Electronics Part #LS00385 Acoustic Wadding Material or LS00916 Acoustic Damping Pad
---- DO NOT USE FOAM FOR DAMPING MATERIAL, ESPECIALLY ‘EGG CRATE’ FOAM.

Staple Gun--Use 1/4 inch staples to attach grill cloth to grill frame (a ‘hot glue’ gun may also be used).  Use 9/16 inch staples to attach fiberglass insulation inside the cabinet.
----Available at most hardware stores.

Grill Mounting Hardware (male 'pins' and female 'cups'--8 pairs).
----Parts Express #260-367

Speaker Grill Cloth (black, 1 yard)
----Parts Express #260-335

Magic Switch
----Digi Key SP3T High Current 6 Amp type switch.   Part number 360-2072-ND   

WHERE TO ORDER:
Digi Key  800-344-4539
Parts Express  800-338-0531  www.partsexpress.com
MCM Electronics  800-543-4330  www.mcmelectronics.com

[dts_hdma]

Also this is from him...

SPEAKER INSTRUCTIONS

1.  After finishing the speakers, place them in their approximate final positions. 

2.  If you purchased the binding posts recommended on the parts list, they will accept banana plugs, dual banana plugs, spade connectors, pin connectors, or bare wire.  We recommend 16 gauge, multistranded copper wire for a distance up to 25 feet (the same wire we recommend for use inside the cabinets).  These speakers are so efficient (normal listening levels are less than 1 watt), that very large cables are not necessary.  Please be aware that many so-called 'audiophile' cables are not 'normal' cable.  They introduce frequency response anomalies that you may or may not like.

3.  IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THE SPEAKERS BE WIRED 'IN PHASE.'  Make sure that the positive (+ or red) terminals of your amplifier go to the red terminals on the back of each speaker.  Make sure that the negative (black or 'common') terminals of your amplifier go to the black terminals of each speaker.  IF THIS IS NOT DONE, THERE WILL BE NO STEREO IMAGING AND VERY POOR BASS.

4.  We recommend placing the speakers close to a rear wall.  This will help with the bass response.  Because of the quality of the speakers construction--notably, the huge magnets--there will be no loss of control with the speakers placed close to a rear wall.  Also, because these speakers do not use dome tweeters, there will be no reflections off the front baffle or the wall behind.  Consequently, imaging and soundstage will be unaffected.   Please be aware that many amplifier designs are not full-range.  They can be severely rolled off in the bass and the treble.  A speaker can't play parts of the frequency range that it doesn't receive from the amplifier.

5.  Start with the speakers an equal distance apart from each other--and from your listening position.  In other words, if you place the speakers 10 feet apart, we recommend that your couch or listening chair be 10 feet from each speaker.  But don't be afraid to experiment.  Every room is different and where you place the speakers will have a dramatic effect on the sound. 

6.  The speakers will work best when 'toed in' a little--in other words, facing you a little bit, rather than being parallel with the back wall.   Try to think of these speakers as a pair of binoculars.  They need to be 'focused'.  Positioning them properly will accomplish this.  Have someone move them around while you sit in your preferred listening position.  Eventually, they will 'snap' into focus.  Singers will appear holographically before you.  The stereo imaging will be wide and precise.  The soundstage will extend many feet beyond the speakers.

7.  Don’t be afraid to use tone controls or a quality equalizer.  Every listening room is different.  It is impossible to design a single speaker that will work perfectly in every room. 

8.  If you are using the recommended grill cloth from the parts list, the grills will be acoustically transparent and it is not necessary to remove them for 'serious' listening.  They also act as air filters to keep the speakers clean.

9.  We do not favor 'spikes'.  We feel that placing the speakers on carpeting (or small squares of carpet, if you have hardwood floors), will give the best sound.  However, you may fit spikes if you prefer.

10.  Break-in the speakers by playing music, at moderate listening levels, for the first 30 hours IN CABINETS.  You can play them louder after that time.  Full break-in does not occur until around 100 hours.  They will continue to sound better and better, over time, as the suspension becomes more flexible.

Let us know if you have any questions.  We sincerely hope you enjoy your speakers for many years to come.

[monreq]

Good post.

[monreq]

I tested the copper foil tape speaker cable of edrel on my adcom gca 510.  Panalo tlga...lupit ng over all pati bass gapang. Highly recommended ko kahit copper foil tape lang.

[monreq]

This is the copper foil tape of Edrel use for speaker wire.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000UZ8SJK/ref=aw_d_var_2nd_industrial_img?vs=1


very simple yet superb sounding that will make your set up tube sounding.

My configuration will be if i will make my own using the exact copper foil tape, 1/4" x 2 for (+) and  1 for (-).  It's up to you where you want to lay the tapes.  Maybe on a high quality plastic tape 1" then put inside wire mesh..then terminate both sides using your preferred connectors. 

I think this 1/4" copper foil tape is good for interconnects. 

[monreq]

Just to remind again, ideal gauge is 16, 14, or 13 sa copper foil. Using gauge 12 below might not give a balance and detailed SQ.

[fishda]

eto po sir yung pic nung yamaha fs na gusto ko i modify:

[monreq]

Huhuhu,wag mo na muna ako patakamin bro. Di ako makakatulog nyan.

Ive been reading and searching how to  maximize the an full potential. Pansin ko lang, napakasensitive nya, kaya required ng low powered tube amp to drive them.


Sign off muna.maya salubungin ko bago dating sa airport.

Buti n lang di tayo nagkasama sa middle east. Siguro bka di na tayo umuwi he he

[monreq]

eto po sir yung pic nung yamaha fs na gusto ko i modify:

eto po sir yung pic nung yamaha fs na gusto ko i modify:

eto po sir yung pic nung yamaha fs na gusto ko i modify:

Gawin mo bro..yung upper portion ng speaker butasin mo ng 12"bilog. Tapos itapal mo 3/4" marine ply o mdf na may butas n for 8" and 6" port. Kunin mo dimension ng front 2.8 mk2 kay dts. Then, re compute mo haba at lapad para sakto sa front ng yamaha. Wag mo babaguhin sukat mula taas speaker driver hole at sukat ng port mula baba. Sa gitna na ka lang mag adjust,k? Kung nalilito ka, tawagan mo ako.

[monreq]

@defcon: sa lupit ng copper wire sa adcom...di ko alam may igaganda pa pala amp ko. Binawi ko nga sa market place. Yung dala ko tubo sa depth at details lang lumamang pero di n nagkakalayo using the copper foil.  Ngayon lang ako nabaliw sa sq ng speaker wire na ganito.

[monreq]

Highly recommended din sa internal wiring ang copper foil. Doblejon niyo lang sa (+) at isa lang (-). Oki?

[edrel sison]

monreq the copper foil is 12mm wide not 1/4 inch. they are not copper foil tape but 4N copper foil (99.99% purity) wrapped in polyester tape done by our taping machine. the original application of these foils are EMI shield for power transformers. the equivalent wire gauge of that foil is AWG20.

[monreq]

@defcon:Bro thanks for "persuading" me to try copper foil.  Actually, matagal ko na nakita na gamit ni edrel ito. Pero di ko pinansin.  Kasi di din namn sinasani ni Edrel kung ano yon? Di namn din ako nangulit magtanung. Anyways, the copper foil brought me into higher level in audio. Buti n lang wala pa nag pa reserve ng adcom ko. 

[monreq]

monreq the copper foil is 12mm wide not 1/4 inch. they are not copper foil tape but 4N copper foil (99.99% purity) wrapped in polyester tape done by our taping machine. the original application of these foils are EMI shield for power transformers. the equivalent wire gauge of that foil is AWG20.

Sori boss, chief, manager.  Mas mataas pa pala quality niyan. Kaya pala.

P.S. grabe 99.99%.  Bale .01% lang metal content niya para tumigas siya.  Iba tlga kapag mataas na quality ng copper. Lupit tlga ng SQ.

[dts_hdma]

^eto yung specs nung kinuha ko, na tinatanong mo sa text(see link). Inductor sya kaya naka-wound. Kakalasin ko na lang bale sa pagkakawound then saka ko ipapasok sa heat shrink tubes. 

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/goertz-14-awg/goertz-cf.47-14-awg-copper-foil-inductor/

[monreq]

^eto yung specs nung kinuha ko, na tinatanong mo sa text(see link). Inductor sya kaya naka-wound. Kakalasin ko na lang bale sa pagkakawound then saka ko ipapasok sa heat shrink tubes. 

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/goertz-14-awg/goertz-cf.47-14-awg-copper-foil-inductor/

^eto yung specs nung kinuha ko, na tinatanong mo sa text(see link). Inductor sya kaya naka-wound. Kakalasin ko na lang bale sa pagkakawound then saka ko ipapasok sa heat shrink tubes. 

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/goertz-14-awg/goertz-cf.47-14-awg-copper-foil-inductor/

^eto yung specs nung kinuha ko, na tinatanong mo sa text(see link). Inductor sya kaya naka-wound. Kakalasin ko na lang bale sa pagkakawound then saka ko ipapasok sa heat shrink tubes. 

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/goertz-14-awg/goertz-cf.47-14-awg-copper-foil-inductor/

To avoid problem with copper foil inductor type such as this, i read that the copper foil for (+) and (-) must be separated side by side with 1" inbetween.

[defcon3]

To avoid problem with copper foil inductor type such as this, i read that the copper foil for (+) and (-) must be separated side by side with 1" inbetween.

As per sir edrel, "we cannot use inductor" type of copper bro. I prefer to follow his advise  .

Nakuha ko na epektos na topping at pre amp. Kaso may konti problema.

[monreq]

Sa tubo wala problema.  Sa mga solid state lang tlga.  Bibili namn ng tubo si dts kay edrel 6bm8 set yung standard edition.

[monreq]

 Sarap tlga mag audio nirvana + 6bm8 set tube + copper foil speaker wire. 

Salamat Edrel and James EJ and Co.Tube Amp Maker.

Listening to Eddie Perigrina Audiophile Selection.

SQ? Dinig lahat.  Realistic? No.... The singer is live in the house.

*Listening to MTV Unplugged Nirvana

[wackiedoodle]

Sarap tlga mag audio nirvana + 6bm8 set tube + copper foil speaker wire. 

Salamat Edrel and James EJ and Co.Tube Amp Maker.

Listening to Eddie Perigrina Audiophile Selection.

SQ? Dinig lahat.  Realistic? No.... The singer is live in the house.

*Listening to MTV Unplugged Nirvana

sarap pakinggan ni salena jones jan brader...also Burchfield nines ni m.f.hehehe...

[defcon3]

@defcon: sa lupit ng copper wire sa adcom...di ko alam may igaganda pa pala amp ko. Binawi ko nga sa market place. Yung dala ko tubo sa depth at details lang lumamang pero di n nagkakalayo using the copper foil. Ngayon lang ako nabaliw sa sq ng speaker wire na ganito.

ngayon lang ba? hahaha

got the topping, nice to hear that the hi's were tamed....the usual chhh and sshhh sound were greatly reduced. paunti unti...darating din tau sa mga tubo ni sir edrel........ sabi nga nila, enjoy lang.....walang basagan ng trip...hahaha....

may bonus pang pre-amp for the OB......

@defcon:Bro thanks for "persuading" me to try copper foil.  Actually, matagal ko na nakita na gamit ni edrel ito. Pero di ko pinansin.  Kasi di din namn sinasani ni Edrel kung ano yon? Di namn din ako nangulit magtanung. Anyways, the copper foil brought me into higher level in audio. Buti n lang wala pa nag pa reserve ng adcom ko. 

nice to know that bro...sino pa ba magkukulaman dito kundi tayo tayo lang....hahahaha....pero ikaw ang pinakapinuno sa kulaman dito....

Sarap tlga mag audio nirvana + 6bm8 set tube + copper foil speaker wire. 

Salamat Edrel and James EJ and Co.Tube Amp Maker.

Listening to Eddie Perigrina Audiophile Selection.

SQ? Dinig lahat.  Realistic? No.... The singer is live in the house.

*Listening to MTV Unplugged Nirvana

ingit ako...........huhuhuhu

[monreq]

sarap pakinggan ni salena jones jan brader...also Burchfield nines ni m.f.hehehe...

Wacks kamusta? Hanap ka diyan gauge 14-16 4n copper foil. Check mo internet to give uou details.  Ganda sa speaker yan. Ingat palagi.

[dts_hdma]

Sa tubo wala problema.  Sa mga solid state lang tlga.  Bibili namn ng tubo si dts kay edrel 6bm8 set yung standard edition.

Ito yung mangkukulam dito!  Nakulam mo ako sa speaker, sa amp di na... AN din ang kukunin ko. Teka magkano ba kasi yang kay Edrel?  Pa-pm na lang.

@defcon and Edrel. Di naman sa di pwedeng gamitin yung copper foil inductor as speaker cable, same lang kasi yung copper foil na ginamit sa pinagkunan mo at itong ginamit sa inductor. Nagiba lang ng application. Pero pag kakalasin sa pagkakawound yung inductor, copper foil pa din yun. Same specs na 99.99% copper purity. Yung inductance nya in mH depende sa haba/bilang ng turns ng pagkakawound(eh kaso kakalasin ko na nga, so no effect na yun). Like this:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/40222-copper-foil-speaker-cables.html

[monreq]

@defcon: oo ngayon lang ako nabaliw sa speaker cable.  4 thumbs up. Tlgang it gives out the best sq of your audio system. Iba tlga 99.9% copper.

Don't wori bro, ikaw pa. Makukuhao din almarro. 205mk2 el84 set-pentode design kay edrel and james. Mura lang sila gumawa pero high quality.

[monreq]

Ito yung mangkukulam dito!  Nakulam mo ako sa speaker, sa amp di na... AN din ang kukunin ko. Teka magkano ba kasi yang kay Edrel?  Pa-pm na lang.

@defcon and Edrel. Di naman sa di pwedeng gamitin yung copper foil inductor as speaker cable, same lang kasi yung copper foil na ginamit sa pinagkunan mo at itong ginamit sa inductor. Nagiba lang ng application. Pero pag kakalasin sa pagkakawound yung inductor, copper foil pa din yun. Same specs na 99.99% copper purity. Yung inductance nya in mH depende sa haba/bilang ng turns ng pagkakawound(eh kaso kakalasin ko na nga, so no effect na yun). Like this:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/40222-copper-foil-speaker-cables.html

Bahala na kayo mag usap ni edrel bro. Bakit ka pa lalayo sa pgbili ng tube amp. Panis gawin mi edrel yan and maka ka save ka pa ng pera.

Sa copper foil.  Yun din isip ko bro.  No effect na. Pero at least maganda na din nag iingat. Basta wsg mo ako kalimutan sa copper foil. Kahit tira tira lang.