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« Reply #120 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:10 PM »
nyah! kaya XXX yun kasi alang pangalan  ;D

pero Tubong Bastos (na magiging mas bastos, abangan!) plus XXX di kaya sobrang laswa na? He he he he he

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« Reply #121 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:11 PM »
dahil match sila - ano pa ba ang babagay sa tubong bastos kundi:

tubong mapagbigay  ;D
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« Reply #122 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:12 PM »
name the preamp...

1. Tubong Maginoo (superman)
2. Landi (v_d)
3. XXX (arnoldc)
4. tubong mapagbigay (iceman90a)
5.
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« Reply #123 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:13 PM »
BD Preamp nalang!

Bastos Din! ;D

Q: Ano amp mo?
A: Tubong bastos

Q: eh pre-amp mo?
A: Bastos din!
« Last Edit: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:02 PM by JulsP168 »

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« Reply #124 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:15 PM »
WS (Walang Sabit) Preamp ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #125 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:16 PM »
okay, here's a one-time offer only for those who will book in November:

3-gives (para akong bumbay nito ah!)

P3,500 upon reservation up to November 30

P2,500 by December 15

P2,500 by January 15

post-dated checks required...



AYOS! kasama pa ba ako dito Sir? (please)

kailan ho ang bigay ng cheke? upon pick-up? sana sa Alabang pick-up point ko Sir, also i requested no input selector switch - instead 2 output connections from 1 source

MARAMING SALAMAT  :)
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« Reply #126 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:34 PM »
hehehe...

let me correct that then:

all those present in superman's den will be extended that offer!

 ;D

Vintage_Dog,

Kasama ako don, wala lang sa picture :).

So that means the original price is offered to us anytime :D? Thank you very much.

Do I have to line up now? Or should I do it when I'm all ready to buy? I have no budget allocated yet as of today ;D and still hoping by January :-\.


I also have some suggestion about the name:
WS P1122-TB  
WS-Wired State
P-preamp
1122-Nov22 nang "ma-discover" sa listening session
TB-tubong bastos ;D
« Last Edit: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:39 PM by jvm »

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« Reply #127 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:37 PM »

I also have some suggestion about the name:
WS P1022-TB  
WS-Wired State
P-preamp
1022-Nov22 nang "ma-discover" sa listening session
TB-tubong bastos ;D

eh di dapat 1122?

peace kabayan  :)
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« Reply #128 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:38 PM »
eh di dapat 1122?

peace kabayan  :)

I stand corrected ;D

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« Reply #129 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 01:55 PM »
hey guys, we're going to have a listening session this saturday in ortigas.  will test the WS preamp on various ss amps.  its probably the easiest way to go into tubes -- use your existing amp ala hybrid.  then later on just add a tube power amp.  we'll see if its possible to use on a receiver... we can compare using a power amp and an integrated amp with amp-in.  

narayan will bring his WS tube preamp & MF ss preamp -- ala barrera vs pacquiao!!  in this corner.... PAK-YEAOWWW... like they say about pac-man, a star is born.  small/lightweight but packs a wallop.  sensya na mga bro medyo masikip sa place ko only 5 guys at a time can really listen properly.  palit-palit na lang.



What time? I can come in the afternoon, because I still have work in the morning.

This is another chance to really evaluate the WS preamp. :)

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« Reply #130 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:00 PM »
jvm, after lunch.  hintayin natin si narayan kasi nasa kanya yung preamp.  pm me pre.

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« Reply #131 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:12 PM »
jvm, after lunch.  hintayin natin si narayan kasi nasa kanya yung preamp.  pm me pre.

sama din ako.. sana me sumama n makapag-dala ng HK avr.. 2550 or 3550... para marinig din nating connected yung pre-amp to an HK avr via the cd-in port..  ;D  ;D calling HK guys.. ala ako kasing tsikot to bring my HK avr e.. hassle to commute with it..  :D

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« Reply #132 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:25 PM »


BRO. JAMES...thanks so much, james...anytime!...hope we can set another session in the future...this time we'll try to invite sir V_D and sir ArnoldC plus the other WS/Pinoydiophiles Gurus...para sana may lecture/learning session...ok ba yun???



sir V_D...sana you can "revive" the TUBES101 learning sessions (posted sa pinoydiophiles)...a good number of us would still want to learn more and more about tubes...thanks!




« Last Edit: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:27 PM by Superman »
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« Reply #133 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:33 PM »
buti na lang at nakapunta ako sa smallville para maka-experience ng magagandang sounds... ;D ;D ;D

baka pala makalimutan ko, salamat sa ating wonderful host (superman) and it was nice meeting the other guys, iceman90a, julps168, jvm, yukon, symon...

also nice seeing again the others like hans adriene, akyatbundok, j_albert22 at nels76...

bottomline : kahit naka ss or tubeamp or receiver, gaganda ang tunog dahil sa WS pre amp (pinoy made yan)...  

makes me proud to be pinoy....  ;D
« Last Edit: Nov 24, 2003 at 03:00 PM by james16 »

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« Reply #134 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 02:52 PM »
here's another name to consider:

WS TP line stage

WS - Wired State
TP - (Tubong Pangromansa)

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« Reply #135 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 03:05 PM »
guys, i read this from pinoydiophiles...this is ganjaman's review of the WS pre-amp...thanks!



Let me preface this by saying that I don’t consider myself to be an Audiophile in the strict sense. I’ve owned various audio gear from car to HT to 2-Channel. I collect CD’s and can’t do without music. I browse this site any many others like this a lot. Not really sure what that makes me. In any case, I’ve read many a review on various types of equipment and they invariably fall into one of the following:

1) Written by Audiophiles for Audiophiles  :)
2) Written by Audiophiles for Newbies  :D
3) Written by Newbies for Audiophiles  :x
4) Written by Newbies for Newbies.  :roll:

Since I’m not comfortable doing the first 2, let me skip the third and go straight to the bottom. This is not so much a review as it is a run-down of my experience with this component thus far. I promised a friend I'd try to do this so here goes...

I have been on the hunt for a reasonably priced tube preamp for sometime now. Having listened to a tube system in a buddy’s house sometime early this year, I felt MY path to sonic nirvana would have to include some type of tube in it. I started with a MF X-10D in between my CDP and HT receiver and my determination to have a tube in there somewhere merely grew. Having an OK SS power amplifier lying around the house from an earlier foray into audio led me to think – Maybe a tube pre and SS power could be just my ticket to a cost effective experiment into tube sound.

How does one audition a preamp? Given the significance of the amplifier, source and speakers – not to mention cabling – in the entire chain, how does one isolate the sonic qualities/benefits of a preamp alone? The proof of the pudding is in the packaging as they say. Thus, I looked at features instead. Phono stage, tone controls, multiple inputs, remote, gold plated RCA’s. Etc… Damn, these things can be expensive.  What of those do I really need? This hunt is proving to be quite a challenge. Let me tell you, you'll be hard pressed to find a tube pre under Php15k that does not need restoration work or that hasn't been a victim of domestic violence. Even abroad, you can probably get one but you'll have to ship it home, spend dollars then assemble it pa yourself.

Well, as fate would have it, before I could purchase preamp, I managed to buy a classic tube amplifier that came with a passive line stage. I took the sucker home and thus, I felt, my hunt had ended. I not only have tubes in my system but nearly tube system in itself. Completo na.

Browsing through WS one day I come across this announcement for an assembled preamp for a bargain price of US$150. My curiosity was piqued not because I needed one but because my previous search was unfulfilled. Having combed the city for a preamp in my budget proved to be quite a challenge and here comes one now that I don’t really need it. I thought to myself, here’s a DIY (not by me though) project with no reviews just specs and a rundown of the parts used. I know nothing about Auricaps and the like. I didn't know what to expect. Buying this, FWIW, would take a leap of faith and leap I did. I ended up number 9 on their list. Anyway, terms naman with money back guarantee pa. My leap was more of like Bungee jumping then.

A month passes then the announcement comes… Ready for pick up Nov 15. Am I excited, not really. I had been spending some coin lately and did not think I really needed it. Anyway, reserved na so might as well give it a try. One Sunday afternoon, a fellow WS friend and I headed off to Ortigas to pick up our units. My friend and I wanted to hang out a bit more with the guys but the anxiousness of taking this thing home proved to be hard to resist. Off we went…

I tried to be methodical in my approach. I said I’d play 3 of my fave songs first to recall the passive line stage and then warm up the pre and play the same songs. One and three-fourths of a song later, I yanked the passive off and plugged the pre. I couldn’t wait. Forget the 3 songs, forget the warm up, lets get to the main course.

First off, walking backwards to the sofa after loading a CD, my chest already felt that thump. There was something here. There more of everything, the system played louder too. At 10 0’clock volume in my little room, the sound filled the place. Anything playing loud will give you detail. Given the time, I turned it down a bit thinking the detail would likewise blur a bit. Nope...still around.

My amp could really have used a bit lower end and there it was. That was the first thing that grabbed me. I thought I was in for some critical listening to get to appreciate the preamp but found myself laying down on the couch with the lights on relaxing. Why? I didn’t have to try so hard to pay attention to the details. They were there wherever I sat (or lay). No eyes closed, no sitting up straight, no turn off the lights… Detail, detail, detail – that’s what I got.

Soundstage remained about the same but the artists seem like they stepped up to the mike a bit. I played Jacintha’s Moon River and the piano keys were struck with a bit more force. I played Dire Straits’ Your Latest Trick live and I could hear the crowd chanting rhythmically for the first time. I thought they were just cheering at first. I have a better sense of the front and back of the recording, not just the left and right of it. It was getting late and I had a busy Monday so off it had to go. I went to bed with a feeling of satisfaction not unlike being bumped up to business class for free - on a long haul to NY. For the price i paid, I know i robbed somebody, just not sure who...

So far, I’ve had this burning in for about 40 hrs, having listened for about 8 hrs and played a bit with my interconnects. Thus far, I feel that the gain in the mids and lows have evened out more. I used to have more gain in the just highs and lows – not so much the mids. Now, vocals are more involving even off-axis or just low level ambient listening. Bass isn’t as much now as when it was new but when its there, its much better behaved. For the visually oriented, Did I go from black and white to colored TV? No, not really. More like rear projection to flat TV.  

Overall, I’m pretty happy I bought this for the following reasons; I can listen at lower volume and still get the detail I want. I get more detail with warmth uncompromised. My redbook CD’s sound better and I save money as I can put off a front-end upgrade. The gain I get has made listening to vocals more involving without it being in your face. The wider range and dynamics won’t make me want to upgrade my amp for some time. For the grand price of P8,250 – I’ve made my money back already. Suffice it to say that I’ll be begging off on that money back offer. Generous, but no need.

As far as reviews go, there are always cons that need to be mentioned. In my case, its tough to pinpoint. Do I need tone controls, no because I find things tonally balanced as they are. Do I need more than 2 inputs, again no - tuner and CD is all i have. Do I need a Phono stage, not right now. Could the power switch be in front, no - i don't like the clutter. In fact, as much as i am a slave to remotes, I find I don't really need it. On dynamic passages, the music remains poised and non fatiguing. No need to turn it down. Rather, let me tell you how you can get more out of this. 1) Label the RCA's/Input and selector switch -  makes life easier 2) Upgrade your power cord if you can afford it. 3) try out some other tubes AFTER you've familiarized yourself with the existing ones.

I hope this helps those on the fence wondering if this is just the thing to bring that romantic tube sound into your home. After having received some SMS messages over the weekend requesting feedback from prospective buyers, I felt my comments may be timely given the rise in demand. As I’ve said, I’ll leave the expert reviews to the experts (who else). Of course, my thanks to the guys of WS for making this available to the likes of us. Salamat at Mabuhay!

Equipment used (like a true audiophile :P ):

NAD 502 cdp
Rivo Dynaco ST-70
B&K ST-140
Passive line stage using Alps Black 100K
Kimber PBJ's CD to Pre, Pre to Amp
VdH D102 Mk 2 - Pre to Amp
Vandersteen 1b/Spica TC-60 (on loan)

Dire Straits - (Best of, HDCD)
Jacintha - Autumn Leaves
Jacques Lossier Trio Telarc - Vivaldi
Sting - All this time
Frank Sinatra/Carlos Jobim
And by now, practically half my CD collection...

P.S. Usual disclaimers apply, this is in my room, my ears, my neighborhood, my couch, my snacks etc...







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« Reply #136 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 04:28 PM »
Vintage_Dog,

Kasama ako don, wala lang sa picture :).

So that means the original price is offered to us anytime :D? Thank you very much.

Do I have to line up now? Or should I do it when I'm all ready to buy? I have no budget allocated yet as of today ;D and still hoping by January :-\.


yes, we'll keep that price for you until January...you can make reservations when you're ready to buy...
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« Reply #137 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 04:44 PM »
name the preamp...

1. Tubong Maginoo (superman)
2. Landi (v_d)
3. XXX (arnoldc)
4. tubong mapagbigay (iceman90a)
5.
6.


Sir new entry - Tubong Masabaw  ;D

juicy daw kasi eh

or heto pa : TL - Tubong Liberated  ;)
« Last Edit: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:00 PM by iceman90a »
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« Reply #138 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 04:50 PM »
eh kung TUBONG PINOY parang TRIBONG PINOY, hehehe!...eto pa...TU-BONGGA!...naging bongga ang tunog...hahaha! 8)

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« Reply #139 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 04:57 PM »
Akyat,

James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..

Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe

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« Reply #140 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 04:58 PM »
How about Mr tube swabe!!  :P ::)

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« Reply #141 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:17 PM »
Akyat,

James16 plan ata to bring along his HK3550 and B2 sa listening session.. so pwede natin hook up sa WS preamp.. and hear the difference will try cguro the CD in route since wla ata main in..

Paging james16 ano sundo na ba kita... hehehe

sundo mo rin ako sa alabang, hehehe!  :D
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« Reply #142 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:23 PM »
superman,

hehehehehe  :D :D naku po..

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« Reply #143 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:51 PM »
how about... tubong oongi !!

ano nga ba ibig sabihin nyan, paging ser tamulmol.. tulong po... hehe.   ;D  ;D
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« Reply #144 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:53 PM »
pwede kaya NATIVE TUBo..

Akyat,

OOnga....  ;D ;D para akong cow hehehe

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« Reply #145 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:56 PM »
how about... tubong oongi !!

ano nga ba ibig sabihin nyan, paging ser tamulmol.. tulong po... hehe.   ;D  ;D


pssst...hala ka...lagot ka...baka magalit  8)
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« Reply #146 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:58 PM »
superman,

Ay OOnga... este.. sorry po..




Jok onli... ;D ;D peace

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« Reply #147 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 05:59 PM »
moooo..  8)

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« Reply #148 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 06:02 PM »
(L)les,

Pre... iba na yan choco drink na yan eh  ;D ;D

Teka sobra na OT...

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« Reply #149 on: Nov 24, 2003 at 06:04 PM »
pwede pa ba humirit hehehehe e kung ws-TB1122(tubong pinoy nov22).....ok ba?... ;D