Topic: Do branded cables really make a difference?

[Tempter]

question lang.

why are boutique cables requires a break-in period in order to hear its full capability? di ba you paid a premium and the manufacturer should take care of doing that and not let the consumer do their unfinished job. para kasing bumili ka ng alak at sasabihin ng seller na inumin mo yan after 5 years para matikman ang totoong lasa

ano din ang mangyari sa break in, na exercise ba ang metal particles ng wire? or nasasanayan lang ang tenga ng listener?

Because they want to make lots of money from poor customers who buy them...

[Nelson de Leon]

para hindi mo isauli sa tindahan na binilhan mo kung sakaling hindi mo magustuhan.....pagtagal tagal, masasanay na rin ang tenga mo...ayun break in na ang cable mo.....

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On a serious note, would you buy a bnew car that's already broken in?

[ATJr.]

sino me sabi na hindi pa broken in? yung car engine me sariling break in sa casa, para malaman kung talagang up to specs...

things mechanical needs a break in.....that's a given, no debating this...

[timber715]

Eh bakit meron 1000km check up kung pwede naman diretcho sa 5000km check?

[ATJr.]

things mechanical are subject to wear and tear.....more than electrical things...

car manufacturers want to make sure their products perform as they promised....

[Gino]

Burning in is not necessarily making things better. It's just accounting for a possible change in characteristics. Eventually a component may reach a state where there is no perceivable change. That's what some people say is broken in.

[bumblebee]

Eh bakit meron 1000km check up kung pwede naman diretcho sa 5000km check?

Preventive maintenance, to check for possible damage, leaks, loose connections etc.

[timber715]

Preventive maintenance, to check for possible damage, leaks, loose connections etc.

So why do they need to change the oil?

[bumblebee]

So why do they need to change the oil?

They change the oil at 5K, not at 1K.

[timber715]

We might be talking of different brands. I use to work for Toyota and Honda and both brands change oil at 1000kms.
So I gurss depending on brand, some actually do break the vehicles in before delivery.... Though not all.

[bumblebee]

We might be talking of different brands. I use to work for Toyota and Honda and both brands change oil at 1000kms.

OT: Maybe that's true for older cars. My Honda booklet says check and replace if necessary for the first 1K.

[JojoD818]

I watch the Mercedes SL something (the one with the gull wing) being built on an episode of Discovery channel. The engine even as a badge of the person who assembled it.

The only time the engine was started was when the car rolled out of the assembly area. Apparently no tests or so called factory break-in was done.

Break-in is done so that the parts grinding each other "fit" smoothly with each other, plus there is a bracket on how fast you can go to start the engine slow. The oil needs to be changed at 1K so that the metal residue on the oil are removed and then pwede na hataw.

[timber715]

OT: Maybe that's true for older cars. My Honda booklet says check and replace if necessary for the first 1K.

Ot na talaga tayo. Hehehe.
I know this for a fact that engines of honda and toyota are ran for several hours only and are only partially broken in. You do have to break it in with load. With the number of vehicles these manufacturer produce, they cannot break them in properly.
I started as a mechanic sa toyota and can tell you, they change oil kasi may metal shavings from the initial wear of the moving parts.
As a service advisor, we had countless of seminars from the plant to know the technical aspects of vehicles. And as a service supervisor, we were taught about warranty assessment.
I cannot say for certain about the new vehicles since I have been out of the industry, but knowing the number of units. I still believe it to be the same.

[bumblebee]

Ot na talaga tayo. Hehehe.
I know this for a fact that engines of honda and toyota are ran for several hours only and are only partially broken in. You do have to break it in with load. With the number of vehicles these manufacturer produce, they cannot break them in properly.
I started as a mechanic sa toyota and can tell you, they change oil kasi may metal shavings from the initial wear of the moving parts.
As a service advisor, we had countless of seminars from the plant to know the technical aspects of vehicles. And as a service supervisor, we were taught about warranty assessment.
I cannot say for certain about the new vehicles since I have been out of the industry, but knowing the number of units. I still believe it to be the same.

I so do believe in engine break ins. And I'd love to have my oil changed at 1K (because it's free). But maybe the first running hours in the factory is enough to get everything settled down. Makes sense to me.

[jh@meeh]

Bakit puro kotse na topic?

Basta ako bibili ako ng chord signature cable...period....

[dodie]

before i dont believe that speaker cables have their own characteristics.....afterall they are all the same strands of copper binded together.... tapos to hear two diff cable side by side, i switch my preamp to mono and used two diff cables on left and right channel( i dont know if this test if proper for AB testing, sinubukan ko lang)......may difference nga. i dont know the science of it why it gives diff results, so ang bottom line for me is to get the cables na swak sa taste ko and dont buy something just because it looks good......

[jh@meeh]

Research...then mix n match and depends sa budget....sakit sa bulsa ng audio hobby no?

[dodie]

                      ....sakit sa bulsa ng audio hobby no?

its not just pain in the pocket boss jhams........it will definitely bleed you to death(lalo na pag sinamahan mo ng analog)

[jh@meeh]

its not just pain in the pocket boss jhams........it will definitely bleed you to death(lalo na pag sinamahan mo ng analog)

Eto na nga at bumigay na ako sa chord anthem 2 cables ni defcon 

[timber715]

A good option is to have friends willing to swap wires for testing. At least you need not spend until you are satisfied with the result....

[synchro_01]

They do make a difference...but not night and day. Beg, borrow or steal before you buy

[jh@meeh]

A good option is to have friends willing to swap wires for testing. At least you need not spend until you are satisfied with the result....

Not 4000 miles away...

[ninjababez®]

Wala ba blind test ng cables with spl meter?
Kasi malamang pag maganda ang cable/wire chances are lalakas ang tunog ng speaker.
Dapat pantayin muna spl tska pakinggan.

[panzimus]

i'm just wondering kung yung mga nagsasabi ba na walang difference using different cables, nasubukan na ba talaga nila?

[ninjababez®]

i'm just wondering kung yung mga nagsasabi ba na walang difference using different cables, nasubukan na ba talaga nila?

yes, but not with proper testing or test environment.

[ATJr.]

i'm just wondering kung yung mga nagsasabi ba na walang difference using different cables, nasubukan na ba talaga nila?

you don't have to go to jail to know what it is like there...
you can not have an opinion if only based on one or two cable, try all or none at all...
i have tired coax, lamp cords, zip cords, royal cords, cat 5, sure there are differences,
so what?
sorry i do not listen to amplifiers and cables, i listen to speakers exclusively.....

[bumblebee]

i'm just wondering kung yung mga nagsasabi ba na walang difference using different cables, nasubukan na ba talaga nila?

If properties like resistance, capacitance and inductance differ from cable to cable then there'll be differences for sure, the only questions to ask are whether the differences are audible, and should the differences in properties be there at all.

[ATJr.]

if believing in cables is due to the fact that you can hear a difference...
then incorporating a tone control instead surely will make a difference, no debating this fact...

[raptor]

with the analogue connections, there should be some difference in SQ or PQ - this would probably be evident on PQ if you're still using those RCA cables for video, but in my experience, very hard to discern on SQ ... i haven't tried the most expensive cables (yung pwede ka na bumili ng second hand na kotse), but i'm using relatively expensive interconnects and speaker wires on my setup, but really could not discern any difference on SQ

with digital there should be no difference on PQ and SQ (e.g. optical cable or HDMI) ... it's either the cable doesn't work or working

but the big difference with more expensive cables is the reliability and durability of the cables - doesn't corrode and hardly any lose connections over time of use ... plus the pogi factor, especially if you are showcasing your system

anyway this is just my opinion and base on my experience on the cables i used ... and for reference, i am using Monster interconnects and HDMI cable, and Ixus fiber optic cable, for speaker wires i'm using the wires that are roughly PhP500 per meter - wala talaga ako marinig na difference doon sa ordinary cables, but i'm happy with those cables, yung mga ordinary kasi mabilis mag-corrode damay pa yung mga kinakabitan na ports sa receiver/amp at mga audio/video sources

[rthirtyfourgtr]

if believing in cables is due to the fact that you can hear a difference...
then incorporating a tone control instead surely will make a difference, no debating this fact...

thing is, people who are able to hear differences in cables (and/or those who refer to themselves as audio purists) tend to be the ones who frown upon the use of any sort of tone control manipulation (be it via the tone knob, or eq, or dsp, etc.)