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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #180 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 03:59 PM »
Mahirap sabihin ang mga bagay na hindi puwedeng mangyari.

It's just my way of saying that two males living together as partners are not inconveniencing anybody while the religious straight guy who wakes up (sorry, prevents people from sleeping) the neighborhood are.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #181 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:15 PM »
Di ko pinagulo... Paiba iba kasi tanong mo.
Una sabi mo bakit pinipilit magbago kung pupunta nman pla ng langit...

Yun naman pala e. E bakit pinipilit mo pang magbago ang LGBT, mapupunta rin naman pala sa langit :)

Ang gusto mo pala itanong sa akin ay ito...

Pinapagulo mo naman e :) Oo at hindi lang. Gay, hindi nagbago, namatay. Langit ba o hindi?

Sinagot kita if that person is a true christian then that person is going to heaven...

Tapos iba pala ulit tanong mo... Ung taong namatay sinasabi mo naman ngayon ay kristiyano na

Pinagulo mo na naman e : Gay, Kristyano, nagsisimba. Merong bf o partner. Namatay. Pupunta ba sa langit?

Now... Bago ko sagutin to... Baka gusto mong dagdagan na natin...

"gay, kristiyano, tunay na kristiyano" - heaven
"gay, kristiyano, di tunay na kristiyano" - not heaven
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #182 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:22 PM »
O, akala ko ba pupunta sa langit? ;D

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #183 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:29 PM »
O, akala ko ba pupunta sa langit? ;D

If that person is a true christian... Yes...
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #184 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:43 PM »
salvation is open to all.....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #185 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:55 PM »
amo nga ba true christian? true muslim, true inc true buddhist etc
bakit true christian lang punta langit
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #186 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 04:59 PM »
If that person is a true christian... Yes...


are you a true christian?
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #187 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:03 PM »
Kaya natin sinasabi na "true christian" kasi merong mga denomination or mga tao na nagsasabing "christian" daw sila... Mga taong claiming o professing to be a christian just to take advantage o para makapag earn ng pera...

Sabi nga sa Bible... Hindi lahat na nagtatawag o naniniwala sa Diyos ay mapupunta sa langit kahit na ang demonyo ay naniniwala sa Diyos at nanginginig pa.
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #188 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:10 PM »
masaya ang usapan sa thread na ito.   ;D

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #189 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:23 PM »
^Di ba atty may verse sa Bible na "no laws, no sin" principle?

kaya kahit di nakilala si Kristo because of location and time (early Filipinos before the Bible became known here) can be saved according to the laws of their hearts (conscience)

Tama yun sir.

Saan mo nakuha yon sir? Bihira kong marinig yan sa iba, e. Ang madalas kong marinig, "kami lang ang maliligtas..."  :D

Para eksakto, eto ang sitas:

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) (Rom. 2:12-15)

Pag hindi mo pa alam ang aral ng Kristiyano at hindi mo naman kasalanan kung bakit hindi mo nalaman ang aral, you "do not have the law."

If you do not have the law, how will you be judged?
 
Not by the law that you don't have, because that would be unfair. You will be judged by the law written in your heart, meaning by what your conscience dictates.

Therefore, if you have the law, you will be held to a higher standard. Pag alam mo na ang aral, pero paulit-ulit kang lumalabag, yari ka. 
 
Mabuti pang hindi mo na natutunan ang aral Kristiyano (through no fault of your own), kasi ibang standard sana ang naging para sa iyo, para fair.

Yan yung sinasabi sa sitas na ito:

20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #190 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:30 PM »
Tama yun sir.

Saan mo nakuha yon sir? Bihira kong marinig yan sa iba, e. Ang madalas kong marinig, "kami lang ang maliligtas..."  :D


baka di ka maniwala e.

aral yan sa INC, di lang alam ng maraming tao.

ang naeemphasize kasi ay INC ang maliligtas pero hindi yun ang complete context of that doctrine.  Parang yung doktrina sa abuloy na akala ng iba may 10% pero wala naman.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #191 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:31 PM »
u sir dpogs,u not amswer my question

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #192 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:42 PM »
baka di ka maniwala e.

aral yan sa INC, di lang alam ng maraming tao.

ang naeemphasize kasi ay INC ang maliligtas pero hindi yun ang complete context of that doctrine.  Parang yung doktrina sa abuloy na akala ng iba may 10% pero wala naman.

INC ka pala sir?
 
Di ko alam yung kumpletong doctrine ninyo, ang alam ko pala ay putol...  :)   Pero alam ko na wala ngang ikapu sa INC.
 
Pasensiya ka na sir, binabanatan ko rin kasi ang INC minsan, buti hindi ka nagagalit...  :(
 
Basta ako, hindi ako bumabanat sa thread ninyo na "INC-100 Years of God's Blessings."  Para sa inyo kasi dapat yon, so kung aatakehin ko kayo doon, sa tingin ko, kabastusan nang matatawag yon. 
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #193 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:45 PM »
u sir dpogs,u not amswer my question

I am a sinner saved by grace... For without Christ i can do nothing.
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #194 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 05:49 PM »

INC ka pala sir?
 
Di ko alam yung kumpletong doctrine ninyo, ang alam ko pala ay putol...  :)
 
Pasensiya ka na sir, binabanatan ko rin kasi ang INC minsan, buti hindi ka nagagalit...  :(
 
Basta ako, hindi ako bumabanat sa thread ninyo na INC-100 Years of God's Blessings.  Para sa inyo kasi dapat yon, so kung aatakehin ko kayo doon, sa tingin ko, kabastusan nang matatawag yon. 

okay lang sa akin, no need to apologize.

i don't see attacks on INC as personal. I respect other people's opinion. I try to understand everybody's stand. even the atheists. I am reading a lot of atheists' books now. When I was in high school i studied Jehova's Witnesses doctrines. Pati si Soriano pinapanood ko dati.

pati sa FB natatawa lang ako pag nakikita ko yung mga ikapu posts about the INC. Di ko naman responsibilidad na maging aware sila sa aral ng bawat religion.

para sa akin dapat ang isang tao mismo ang magsuri ng mga yan.

Of course there are some things na minsan itinatanong mo sa sarili mo, and you find answers to those questions.

I also respect the fact that you do not belong to any sect/group now. My principle is if I find another group na mas totoo dito, lilipat ako. that's how it stands right now.


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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #195 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 06:40 PM »
I am a sinner saved by grace... For without Christ i can do nothing.

are you a true christian, yes or no

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #196 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 07:32 PM »
are you a true christian, yes or no

Yes. Same to those who believes that Jesus is God, nagkatawang tao nagdanak ng dugo, namatay, after 3 days nabuhay na muli for redemptions of sins and believes that noother way even good works can bring salvation but only though Jesus Christ.
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #197 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 08:58 PM »
If that person is a true christian... Yes...

Hindi pala ko pupunta ng langit:)

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #198 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 09:03 PM »
thank you dpogs

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #199 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 09:30 PM »
Yes. Same to those who believes that Jesus is God, nagkatawang tao nagdanak ng dugo, namatay, after 3 days nabuhay na muli for redemptions of sins and believes that noother way even good works can bring salvation but only though Jesus Christ.

the RC doctrine is non-negotiable and non reviseable...either you accept it or you don't...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #200 on: Jul 29, 2015 at 09:33 PM »
question for atty barrister....

did Christ ever speak about hell as in dagat dagatang impyerno?

what i remember him say was, "from now on you will be with me in paradise" or "in my father's house there are many rooms...."
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #201 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 12:06 AM »
baka pwede din sa langit dami rooms, maski prang house arrest

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #202 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM »
question for atty barrister....

did Christ ever speak about hell as in dagat dagatang impyerno?

what i remember him say was, "from now on you will be with me in paradise" or "in my father's house there are many rooms...."

Hindi dagat-dagatang impiyerno.  Ang tama ay "dagat-dagatang apoy."
 
Yes, maraming tinurong "hell" si Jesus Christ.
 
If you mean word-for word na sinabi ni Kristo na "dagat-dagatang apoy," wala.  Pero yun na nga ang "hell" na sinasabi Niya, hindi lang word-for-word.
 
 
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Kung letra-por-letra na "dagat-dagatang apoy" (lake of fire), sa Revelation lang makikita yon, mentioned several times.  For example:
 
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:14-15)
 
 
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Marami kang maririnig, ang sabi, "we are already in hell on this earth." 
 
Kung iyon ang paniniwala nila, ok lang sa akin.  Pero wag nilang sabihin na ganon ang teaching sa bible, kasi malayong-malayo iyon sa bible teachings.  Para masabi nilang nasa impiyerno na tayo ngayon, kailangang itapon muna nila ang bibliya, kasi hindi magtutugma iyon...  :D
 
Did Jesus teach about hell in that parable?
 
Siyempre naman.  In fact, in the bible, it was Jesus Christ who taught about hell more often than anyone else.
 
For example:
 
43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where “‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’ (Mark 9:43-48)

You are familiar with the story of Lazarus and the rich man.  That was a parable, not an actual event.  What did Jesus teach about hell?
 
1. There is fire in hell.
2. Man has been sufficiently warned about hell.
3. It is impossible to cross over from hell to heaven and vice-versa.
4. In hell, it is too late for forgiveness. 
 
 
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You might be surprised, but hell is a very advanced topic in the bible.  Many think it's a topic easy enough for children to comprehend, but that's not true.
 
I'll give you a brief rundown, just to introduce you to the topic:
 
- The original words in the bible translated into English as "hell" are Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, and Tatarus. 
 
- Hades and Sheol are Greek and Hebrew respectively, which mean a grave or burial site.
 
- Gehenna is Aramaic, which means "Valley of Hinnom," a garbage dump site where the garbage burns non-stop (because there's always new garbage being dumped in).  Worms (maggots) are present, because it's a garbage dump.
 
- Tartarus is Greek, which means a condition of imprisonment of the fallen angels.
 
- When Jesus mentioned the word hell, He used the word "Gehenna." 
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #203 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 04:32 PM »
Wow..great info.....was wondering though....How come the word HADES is Hebrew where in the novel/movies Hades is part of the Greek Mythology...so am assuming it is a greek name..

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #204 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 04:42 PM »
Wow..great info.....was wondering though....How come the word HADES is Hebrew where in the novel/movies Hades is part of the Greek Mythology...so am assuming it is a greek name..

Greek talaga ang Hades. baka typo lang si atty.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #205 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 05:57 PM »
Tartarus is Greek, is a place where the Titans were imprisoned. I don't know about the Angels part because there are no angels in Greek mythology.

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #206 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 06:14 PM »
Tama kayo, mga sir.  Ako pala yung mali.  Greek ang Hades, Hebrew ang Sheol.

One is the equivalent of the other, kaya madalas talaga akong mali kung Greek ba o Hebrew yon. :D

One is for Old Testament (Hebrew kasi ang O.T.), the other is for New Testament (Greek and Aramaic ang N.T.)

Edit ko na lang for the benefit of the others.
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #207 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 06:19 PM »
Yes. Same to those who believes that Jesus is God, nagkatawang tao nagdanak ng dugo, namatay, after 3 days nabuhay na muli for redemptions of sins and believes that noother way even good works can bring salvation but only though Jesus Christ.

interesting. just want to ask. since the INC do not believe that Jesus is God(correct me if i'm wrong), are you saying that they are not, as you say, "true christians"?

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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #208 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 06:28 PM »
Tartarus is Greek, is a place where the Titans were imprisoned. I don't know about the Angels part because there are no angels in Greek mythology.


Tartarus has its own meaning in Greek mythology, as originally used.

In the bible, Tartarus (tartaroo) has its own meaning.  It was used in the bible only once, translated as "hell" in 2 Peter 2:4:

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)

Tartaroo in the bible means to cast into Tartarus or to thrust down into Tartarus, the condition of imprisonment of the angels who rebelled against God.

Strong's Number 5020: http://biblehub.com/greek/5020.htm

But I need to read up on Greek mythology.  You guys know more about it than I do. :(
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Re: Non-Catholic
« Reply #209 on: Jul 30, 2015 at 08:04 PM »
so these "hell" are actual places here in earth and not some imagined place?
i have always suspected that hell is here on earth, that is why i imagine i will go to heaven
because all my life was spent in hell.....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....