Author Topic: OLED TV (Read 333648 times)

barrister · « **on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 01:57 PM »

$15,000:

LG 55EA9800 OLED HDTV Reviewed
August 3rd, 2013

... Black appeared as promoted, dead black with no perceptible light emission, therefore making contrast ratio infinite. Our Konica Minolta LS 100 read 00.00 ftl as expected.

... There were around 50 or so stuck sub-pixels either white, blue or green (no red). They are extremely small, like stars in the night sky.

... The combination of infinite contrast, bright highlights and accurate color made the image to appear jaw-dropping amazing, easily some of the most gorgeous video displayed we’ve ever seen.

http://hdguru.com/lg-55ea9800-oled-hdtv-reviewed/

barrister · « **Reply #1 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 02:04 PM »

YouTube:
LG 55EA9800 Curved OLED TV Review
By Caleb Denison of DigitalTrends, Aug. 2, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0J99OuSW_I

raptor · « **Reply #2 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 02:32 PM »

baka 3 years or more pa bago maging affordable dito ... kailang maging PhP yung $ para makabili

nice share

skooter · « **Reply #3 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 04:04 PM »

i was surprised by that article when he says the PQ is on par w/the high-end model plasma of panasonic and samsung? eh kung ganon i rather get a VT60 or ZT60 hahaha...for a quarter of its price.

barrister · « **Reply #4 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 09:54 PM »

No, siguradong mas maganda ang OLED sa plasma.

Ang talagang problema, may 40+ dead subpixels daw. Not visible from more than 1.5 feet away, pero ang dami naman.

Yan din ang sabi sa DigitalTrends:

While testing brightness and black level, we discovered two notable points of interest (which we’re sure Merson will cover in deeper detail within his own review): 1. The EA9800 sample we reviewed arrived with a number of what we’re calling “lazy” sub-pixels. We stopped counting them around 40.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/lg-55ea9800-review/

Kahit hindi visible from a regular viewing distance, duda pa rin tayo. If a new unit already has this issue, what other issues might appear after some months of regular use?

We really need to wait until the tech matures further. OK lang, para mas mura na.

raptor · « **Reply #5 on:** Aug 07, 2013 at 11:11 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Aug 07, 2013 at 09:54 PM

No, siguradong mas maganda ang OLED sa plasma.

Ang talagang problema, may 40+ dead subpixels daw. Not visible from more than 1.5 feet away, pero ang dami naman.

Yan din ang sabi sa DigitalTrends:

While testing brightness and black level, we discovered two notable points of interest (which we’re sure Merson will cover in deeper detail within his own review): 1. The EA9800 sample we reviewed arrived with a number of what we’re calling “lazy” sub-pixels. We stopped counting them around 40.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/lg-55ea9800-review/

Kahit hindi visible from a regular viewing distance, duda pa rin tayo. If a new unit already has this issue, what other issues might appear after some months of regular use?

We really need to wait until the tech matures further. OK lang, para mas mura na.

agree sir, wait muna ... ang sama noon 40 dead pixels, yung current PC monitor ko 2 lang, pero pag black ang background very obvious

skooter · « **Reply #6 on:** Aug 08, 2013 at 02:19 PM »

yung nga problema may mga so called lazy pixels. In traditional led lcd panel this is considered a disastrous. IMHO if i want a moving image that nearly approach OLED's attributes i think it would be wise to get a VT60 or ZT60 instead at this point in time.

the_w0rks · « **Reply #7 on:** Aug 08, 2013 at 02:23 PM »

"AT THIS POINT IN TIME" - I don't think anyone will argue that point. But as OLED technology improves, both Plasma and LED/LCD supporters will finally have the best of both worlds - deepest black, brightest whites. Plasma will be a thing of the past if OLED becomes affordable in the near future.

ALICE GO · « **Reply #8 on:** Aug 08, 2013 at 02:52 PM »

INSTEAD of aspiring the unattainable OLED, I'd rather save for a Panasonic ZT60 65" plasma. Guesstimatedly, it could go down to peso equivalent P138,000 (P43 to $1) plus P20,000. Forexworld shipping. Or, a 65" Panasonic BROADCAST-QUALITY, commercial-grade display like the 65PF30u ($2,600.) or the VX300u.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #9 on:** Aug 09, 2013 at 05:47 PM »

A little over 3.2K USD lang ang 65ZT60 sa US? Hindi na makakabangon ang Panasonic Plasma nyan.

Back to topic, suddenly the 84 inch 4K Sony feels "reasonable". Ang liit ng 55 next to the 84.

But then the 1st gen Sony OLED (was it 7 or 10") was like 2K USD so ganon nga siguro ang starting price. Mahaba ba prusisyon.

Long live Plasma!

Quote from: ALICE GO on Aug 08, 2013 at 02:52 PM

INSTEAD of aspiring the unattainable OLED, I'd rather save for a Panasonic ZT60 65" plasma. Guesstimatedly, it could go down to peso equivalent P138,000 (P43 to $1) plus P20,000. Forexworld shipping. Or, a 65" Panasonic BROADCAST-QUALITY, commercial-grade display like the 65PF30u ($2,600.) or the VX300u.

Clondalkin · « **Reply #10 on:** Aug 10, 2013 at 01:16 PM »

Pls. let us know in case you finally decide to import a 65ZT60 or VT60. I would be totally interested. Thanks!

Finally got to see the 65 inch Samsung 8500 Plasma in Manila. It looked quite good - but then they were showing a pristine CG movie (was it Despicable Me or something like that?) which would look amazing even with the cheapest HDTV in the market. So how can anyone properly discriminate between expensive high-end and entry to midstream models? Wrong content to demo if they want to emphasize how beautiful under brightness or tough scenes this new TV is. Nonetheless, happy to have more options than Panasonic VT or ZT.

Quote from: ALICE GO on Aug 09, 2013 at 08:33 PM

THATS WHAT I gathered from web reports of continental Americans having "caught" a sort of a 2-day sale of the ZT60, they even reported they took it for $3,199. But this sale took place solely on the branches of one A/V chain store, which got a two-month exclusive selling monopoly on the unit. When that ended, the model is finally posted for sale on Amazon, at $4,000.00 But whats unusual about online pricing for A/V electronics (even AKG headphones) is that it fluctuates, going lower from what Americans' call list price. Now I've seen the 65VT60 having been listed for $3,400+ during its release, but two weeks ago, I thought I've caught it being priced at $2,900+ for something like two days on Amazon. Then the next time I checked on it, the VT60 climbed to $3,090+ yata (but still a big drop from the original $3,400). Based on this pricing pattern, I'm hopeful the ZT60 will also be dropped of its list price considerably, until it plateaus to $3,200 or lower.

skooter · « **Reply #11 on:** Aug 10, 2013 at 01:27 PM »

seems OT na, sorry about this if we import a 65VT60 lets say from amazon does the warranty still cover in the philippines?

Clondalkin · « **Reply #12 on:** Aug 10, 2013 at 01:36 PM »

Definitely not. That's the risk you have to accept if you buy from outside the Philippines, among other risks.

Malaki kasi ang difference ng total cost kaya meron willing to take the risk.

Quote from: skooter on Aug 10, 2013 at 01:27 PM

seems OT na, sorry about this if we import a 65VT60 lets say from amazon does the warranty still cover in the philippines?

barrister · « **Reply #13 on:** Aug 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM »

Samsung slashes price of curved OLED TV to $8,999
Undercutting the price of rival LG, and previous reports, by six grand,
Samsung announces its first curved OLED TV for a price of $8,999.
by David Katzmaier
August 13, 2013 9:00 AM PDT

Begun, the curved OLED TV price war has.

Today Samsung announced that its first 55-inch curved OLED TV, model KN55S9C, is shipping now to specialty dealers in the U.S. for $8,999.

That price undercuts arch-nemesis LG, whose own 55-inch curved OLED TV is on sale now for $14,999 exclusively at Best Buy's Magnolia stores.

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..."Samsung's price cut came as a result of improved manufacturing yield, and [Korean] customers that already purchased one will be refunded the difference," said the report.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57598160-221/samsung-slashes-price-of-curved-oled-tv-to-$8999/

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Samsung OLED (left) vs. LG OLED (right):

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-kn55s9c/4505-6482_7-35823374.html

barrister · « **Reply #14 on:** Nov 25, 2013 at 09:20 PM »

Inkjet Printing May Bring Era Of Cheaper & Flatter 4K OLED TV
By Vincent Teoh
22 November 2013, 11:19 am GMT

... One reason why prices of OLED TVs are sky-high at the moment is because manufacturers have struggled to extract decent yield rates from their production line. If Kateeva’s YIELDjet manufacturing process can improve yields and OLED panel lifespan as promised, then this may herald an era of more affordable (and hopefully flat) OLED televisions.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/inkjet-oled-201311223466.htm

Macmon · « **Reply #15 on:** Nov 26, 2013 at 10:03 AM »

Hmm the future of better PQ? The possible plasma killer for the next 3 to 4 years. Once the prices go down and the OLED technology becomes better. Version 1 of the OLED... nice to know... but pass on getting it.

Reason of course is the price and not know yet the durability of the OLED.

dulber32 · « **Reply #16 on:** Nov 27, 2013 at 11:38 PM »

uhm, magka ink blots din kaya yan gaya ng amoled screens sa phones and tablets?
sa phone and tablet use ko (next to nil movie viewing) hindi naging problema ink blots
pero kung gamit for movie viewing strictly -lagot

Philander · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 06, 2013 at 08:57 PM »

Saw it live at Avant Greenbelt.
LG First Curved OLED TV

barrister · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 08, 2013 at 11:01 PM »

Thanks for the heads-up. I saw the display at Avant Greenbelt 4. 55 Inches at P500,000.

Astounding picture. Blackest blacks. Flexible panel. Passive 3D. But without any anti-glare filter.

Contrary to my expectations, the convex curve does not produce any noticeable distortions.

However, when viewed from an angle, there's a slight color shift. Whites become slightly yellowish when viewed from one side.

barrister · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 12, 2013 at 03:10 PM »

First Chinese OLED TV Uses 55″ WRGB Panel From LG – & It’s Flat!
By Mike Wheatley
10 December 2013, 12:50 pm GMT

Skyworth OLED with LG panel

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/chinese-oled-201312103505.htm

Macmon · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 12, 2013 at 07:02 PM »

Now if this is in the 20 T range.... pwede na.. hahahaha

barrister · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 26, 2013 at 03:01 PM »

Sony, Panasonic Call Off OLED TV Tie-Up
By Kana Inagaki
Dec. 25, 2013 12:41 a.m. ET

TOKYO— Sony Corp. 6758.TO +0.28% and Panasonic Corp. 6752.TO +0.42% have decided to end a development venture that would produce technology to make big and ultrathin televisions, underscoring the challenges of bringing next-generation TVs to the mass market.

People with knowledge of the matter said Wednesday the alliance in technology for organic light-emitting diode display, or OLED, panels for large-screen TVs is expected to end this month, a year and a half after Japan's two big consumer electronics rivals decided to work together.

The screens offer improved image quality in a much thinner frame than existing liquid-crystal displays, and are brighter and more energy efficient than LCDs, the most popular types of screens today.

Sony developed the world's first OLED television, an 11-inch model released in 2007, but it has struggled to roll out additional models at larger sizes because costs remained too high for a mass-market product.
The Japanese rivals agreed last year to cooperate on OLED technology to bring down the costs and lower risks of developing a new display technology and building production facilities. Despite ending the alliance for now, they may still explore cooperating on production technology for OLED panels in the future, the people said.

One of the people said the sharing of information about a new production method using printing technologies had allowed the companies to enhance the speed of production for OLED TVs. Sony and Panasonic exhibited a prototype ultrahigh-definition, 56-inch OLED television at this year's Consumer Electronics Show.

South Korean makers such as Samsung Electronics Co. 005930.SE -0.49% and LG Electronics Inc. 066570.SE +0.45% have driven the market, both rolling out a 55-inch OLED television earlier this year. But they also are struggling to cost-effectively produce OLED screens to make the technology affordable for most consumer TVs.

Combined with the high costs, the increasing demand for ultrahigh-definition TVs, which promise four times the resolution of existing high definition LCD TVs, has also raised questions whether consumers are willing to try out another new technology and pay a premium for OLED TVs when prices for the new ultrahigh-definition TVs are already starting to come down. The shipments of ultrahigh-definition TVs are expected to total 1.9 million units in 2013 and rise to 12.7 million units in 2014, according to research firm NPD DisplaySearch.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304475004579279393834422588

Wala na yan, patay na talaga ang Japanese consumer electronics.

pekspert · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM »

Saw this 55" LG OLED display at Sm MOA. I wasnt really impressed with the picture quality. It looked dark and unfocused. I only liked the thinness of the panel but then again it looked very very fragile as in one mistake and there goes your P500k investment. I was even more impressed with the sony 4k tv that was nearby.

skooter · « **Reply #23 on:** Dec 27, 2013 at 08:37 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Dec 26, 2013 at 03:01 PM

Sony, Panasonic Call Off OLED TV Tie-Up
By Kana Inagaki
Dec. 25, 2013 12:41 a.m. ET

TOKYO— Sony Corp. 6758.TO +0.28% and Panasonic Corp. 6752.TO +0.42% have decided to end a development venture that would produce technology to make big and ultrathin televisions, underscoring the challenges of bringing next-generation TVs to the mass market.

People with knowledge of the matter said Wednesday the alliance in technology for organic light-emitting diode display, or OLED, panels for large-screen TVs is expected to end this month, a year and a half after Japan's two big consumer electronics rivals decided to work together.

The screens offer improved image quality in a much thinner frame than existing liquid-crystal displays, and are brighter and more energy efficient than LCDs, the most popular types of screens today.

Sony developed the world's first OLED television, an 11-inch model released in 2007, but it has struggled to roll out additional models at larger sizes because costs remained too high for a mass-market product.
The Japanese rivals agreed last year to cooperate on OLED technology to bring down the costs and lower risks of developing a new display technology and building production facilities. Despite ending the alliance for now, they may still explore cooperating on production technology for OLED panels in the future, the people said.

One of the people said the sharing of information about a new production method using printing technologies had allowed the companies to enhance the speed of production for OLED TVs. Sony and Panasonic exhibited a prototype ultrahigh-definition, 56-inch OLED television at this year's Consumer Electronics Show.

South Korean makers such as Samsung Electronics Co. 005930.SE -0.49% and LG Electronics Inc. 066570.SE +0.45% have driven the market, both rolling out a 55-inch OLED television earlier this year. But they also are struggling to cost-effectively produce OLED screens to make the technology affordable for most consumer TVs.

Combined with the high costs, the increasing demand for ultrahigh-definition TVs, which promise four times the resolution of existing high definition LCD TVs, has also raised questions whether consumers are willing to try out another new technology and pay a premium for OLED TVs when prices for the new ultrahigh-definition TVs are already starting to come down. The shipments of ultrahigh-definition TVs are expected to total 1.9 million units in 2013 and rise to 12.7 million units in 2014, according to research firm NPD DisplaySearch.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304475004579279393834422588

Wala na yan, patay na talaga ang Japanese consumer electronics.

it looks like the OLED TV technology would still be out of reach from most of the consumers for years to come....

klpangan · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 30, 2013 at 08:33 AM »

Which is worth it 120hz vs 3d vs smarttv vs android tv

mak_mak · « **Reply #25 on:** Jan 01, 2014 at 09:03 PM »

Quote from: pekspert on Dec 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Saw this 55" LG OLED display at Sm MOA. I wasnt really impressed with the picture quality. It looked dark and unfocused. I only liked the thinness of the panel but then again it looked very very fragile as in one mistake and there goes your P500k investment. I was even more impressed with the sony 4k tv that was nearby.

di dapat naka display sa entance ng sm appliance un..! hina-hawak hawakan ng mga costumer at kina katok ng mga bata yung display unit..

... i like the sony 4k tv even better...

ALICE GO · « **Reply #26 on:** Jan 07, 2014 at 07:04 PM »

THE CES 2014 show "unleashes" new TV models or prototypes for 2014. Nothing there is spoken about PLASMA TV, PDP technology is now a footnote, not anymore a display "forefront" held in almost reverent esteem by discerning videophiles. The only citation for PDP is Samsung's very low-key announcement of a 2014 F8500 plasma model that'll be priced lower and trimmed of the largely (gimmick-type/pampagulo) non-Picture features that the current one is replete with. This model is not debuting in CES and the announcement's not supported by images of the prototype. Apart from this Samsung TV release, no more is mentioned on plasma. Which brings the dimmest portent for PDP as this Korean manufacturer has not truly revolutionized the technology but merely churned ho-hum models after models that no purists ever considered as benchmarks - during plasma's ascendant years. The loudest buzz on the TV front is about 4K LEDs and ever-larger OLEDS. I've not been a cave-dweller all these years but those flashy techs just can't elicit any thrilled throbs in me, I see them in their present incarnations as much ado about nothing.
If Samsung remains as the leading PDP manufacturer, mabuti pang wala. After this sinking-feeling news on plasma's adieu's, I'm left with sifting info on video processors, projector screens that could truly improved DLP beaming, or a new Blu-ray player that could incorporate HQV Realta video processing that's more advanced than the Vida or the T2. The demonstrative sign that some fellas truly upholds the departing Panasonic PDPs was the quick drying up of the ZT60 top-end model. Wala nang mabili nito ngayon from the mainstream dealers in North America, mayroon man, noong nagtingin-tingin ako sa web, either the prices are pegged on its original SRP or raised far too high.

skooter · « **Reply #27 on:** Jan 07, 2014 at 08:09 PM »

all i want to know is their evolution kit(ver. 2014) for my F8500, fine w/me if they got nothing for PDP tech. this time around.

barrister · « **Reply #28 on:** Jan 09, 2014 at 02:43 PM »

LG 77EC9800
Key Features: 77-inch OLED screen; Curved design; UHD/4K Native resolution; WebOS Smart engine; Passive 3D playback
Manufacturer: LG

LG 77EC9800 review: first impressions from CES 2014

http://www.trustedreviews.com/lg-77ec9800_TV_review

barrister · « **Reply #29 on:** Jan 09, 2014 at 02:49 PM »

Chinese OLED:

TCL showcases Curved Ultra-HD, OLED and Holographic Display TV Technology at 2014 International CES

TCL Flat 55" OLED

http://prwire.com.au/pr/41262/tcl-showcases-curved-ultra-hd-oled-and-holographic-display-tv-technology-at-2014-international-ces

Haier Unveil Curved OLED TVs & Glasses-Free 3D 4K TV at CES 2014
By Vincent Teoh
5 January 2014, 7:05 pm GMT

Haier Curved 55" OLED

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/haier-oled-201401053551.htm

Hisense 55"OLED