Topic: Plasma vs LCD ?

[vtec3]

nakuh pano yan, i just got a 42pv80 from jeff 

If ever this will happen, pareho tayo ng problem. At least yung Plasma mo Pana yung sa akin Hitachi 

[Clondalkin]

If ever this will happen, pareho tayo ng problem. At least yung Plasma mo Pana yung sa akin Hitachi 

Minimum 8 years naman guaranteed availability ng spare parts for TVs so pede nang magpalit ng TV in case masira yung Hitachi mo beyond 8 years.     Anyway, Hitachi Display's technical know how is quite deep so hindi basta basta mawawala ang Hitachi sa display business.   

[Clondalkin]

actually naisip ko din yan    which model ng LCD 46" above would you recommend? Yung available dito sa atin sana 

Sharp is still the undisputed king of LCD in Japan but unfortunately, they don't spread their might in the Philippine market.   Maganda sana yung GX series ng Sharp and if you can afford it, yung RX series.   Kaso, Sony and Samsung lang yata ang very active sa atin for  panels 46" and bigger.

[vtec3]

Minimum 8 years naman guaranteed availability ng spare parts for TVs so pede nang magpalit ng TV in case masira yung Hitachi mo beyond 8 years.     Anyway, Hitachi Display's technical know how is quite deep so hindi basta basta mawawala ang Hitachi sa display business.   

yup hopefully   last year nung nakapasyal ako diyan and was able to visit BIC Camera parang wala ako nakita na Hitachi on display   hindi kaya sign na ito last year pa lang.

[vtec3]

Sharp is still the undisputed king of LCD in Japan but unfortunately, they don't spread their might in the Philippine market.   Maganda sana yung GX series ng Sharp and if you can afford it, yung RX series.   Kaso, Sony and Samsung lang yata ang very active sa atin for  panels 46" and bigger.

True, Sharp can only be found sa mga stores like SM Appliance, Abenson, Western. And unlike sa Sony, Samsung & Toshiba mayron pa sila mga tao that sells them. Sa mga specialty video/audio shops very few ang mayron Sharp and probably older model pa.

[Clondalkin]

yup hopefully   last year nung nakapasyal ako diyan and was able to visit BIC Camera parang wala ako nakita na Hitachi on display   hindi kaya sign na ito last year pa lang.

Meron pa rin Hitachi and Pioneer.  Kaso sa bawat isang model ng Hitachi and Pioneer on display, 1 WALL of Panasonic ang katapat.  Eh monopoly na ng Panasonic Plasma ang Japan since mga 2006 pa.

Ang sa bawat 1 wall ng Panasonic, all the remaining walls are LCD, the most prominent of which is Sharp.

PS:
I have a Panasonic Plasma already but contrary to some claims, I still dont see the Panasonic PQ na pedeng itapat sa Pioneer's Kuro despite the marked improvements from 7 to 8 series.  Iba pa rin talaga dating ng Kuro kapag tinabi mo sa kahit anong ibang brands.  Maybe the future models of Panasonics but not the current ones.  Anways, I'm happy with my Panasonic and no point na dibdibin ko yung beauty ng Kuro because its soooo expensive.

[darkwing]

yup talagang maganda ang Sharp LCD

hahaha true true with Kuro, lets just be content with our Panny  or whatever TV we decide is the best for us and our budget

[ninjababez®]

Ganito mga solution dyan. 

a.  Palitan nyo plasma every 6 months to help maintain the overall plasma market
i cant afford this bro .. 
b.  Gamitin nyo na rin plasma as PC monitor kesehodang IR, burn-in, mainit, reflective, lower res.
ive been doing this with my LG 32" plasma .. no problems so far ..
c.  Pati room ni Inday, lagyan nyo ng plasma
wahh .. wala pako sariling maid bro .. .. planning to get one though, yung burara and di matampuhin ..
Ok lang ma-obsolete ang plasma para maging mura agad ang OLED in 2015 

Pag sinabi ng anak na "uso" ang LCD and yun ang meron ang kalaro, eh kawawa yung bata kapag di uso ang TV nya and yung TV nya lang ang iba 

If ever this will happen, pareho tayo ng problem. At least yung Plasma mo Pana yung sa akin Hitachi 

for me ill stick with plasma technology, up until its available 
unless ofcourse lcdtv can yield better results in pq

[bukoy]

may sinamahan ako na uncle last week and audition a 46" LCD vs a 50" Plasma. For me Plasma pa din ang mas maganda. My uncle also biglang na pa Plasma even if LCD ang initially gusto niya. Yun nga lang he has to convince his kids, kasi gusto nung kids niya LCD kasi yun daw ang uso and yun ang mayron mga friends nila 

Same here dati LCD gusto ko, pero to see is to believe incomparable talaga ang PQ ng Plasma compare to LCD, sa plasma mas natural ang color, motion, blacks, and gradation ang LCD sa sobrang taas ng pixel rate pati artifacts nakikita kaya nag su-suffer ang PQ kahit di maganda ang resolution ng pinapanood minsan washout ang texture pag standard resolution ng dvd ang pinapanood mo unlike sa plasma. The color is too much kaya nawawala ung pagiging natural nya.

[ninjababez®]

cnn and i had lower bills .. 
nagtataka rin nga kami eh .. sakin from 2.2k to 1.7k ..
unlike lcdtv daw kasi sa plasma yata depende kung gaano ka bright yung scene eh .. although 240 watts yung LG 32" on paper .. di naman sya constant .. pero ill try and monitor my bills in the following months ..

update .. my bill has been consistent for 2 months (@1.2k) .. now that i got a bigger screen .. paktay baka balik 1.7k ..

[darkwing]

adv sa LCD ay yung screen res niya, at pwede kung bright areas, hinde kasi nag reflect kasi walang glass hehe, kaya sa living room namin panay dilim dahil sa plasma lols

[nerveblocker]

update .. my bill has been consistent for 2 months (@1.2k) .. now that i got a bigger screen .. paktay baka balik 1.7k ..

Baba naman ng bill mo sir.  Ano ba ang sekreto? 

[Clondalkin]

Question Bros:  Tinatamad kase akong mag-check.

Outside Japan, do any Plasma or LCD maker publish the "Annual Power Consumption in KWH" of their models based on guidelines set by the country(s)' Energy Conservation Act/Law, or is it only the rated maximum power draw in Watts?

If not, I can post some Japanese data based on Japanese Energy Conservation Laws for your own interpretations.  It should give a better idea why some people can claim that plasma may be more energy efficient than an LCD.   Or is it?

[surg]

update .. my bill has been consistent for 2 months (@1.2k) .. now that i got a bigger screen .. paktay baka balik 1.7k ..

sir, your bill is 1k+ only? and I presumed hindi lang plasma tv appliance nyo. baba naman po. ano po ba sekreto nyo? 

[ninjababez®]

Baba naman ng bill mo sir.  Ano ba ang sekreto? 

sir, your bill is 1k+ only? and I presumed hindi lang plasma tv appliance nyo. baba naman po. ano po ba sekreto nyo? 

kayo talaga delicious minded   .. although 3 floors yung apartment ko .. its relatively small ..

no aircon   .. just a fridge, a few light bulbs (fluorescent bulbs rated from 7watts*3pcs to 22 watts*4pcs), and 3 electric fans; plus HTPC, 32" plasma (at that time when i got the 1.2k rating steady), and my PS3 ..
any ideas how much it will increase once i use a 42" rated at 375 watts? 
btw 240 watts lang yung dati kong 32" lg plasma ..


magkano kaya madadagdag pag dinagdag ko itong mga ito:
1hp aircon
21inch tv for my gf's kid ..

[Clondalkin]

any ideas how much it will increase once i use a 42" rated at 375 watts? 
btw 240 watts lang yung dati kong 32" lg plasma ..

Based on guidelines set by Japanese Energy Conservation law (4.5 hours per day usage, 19.5 hours on stand-by), approximately this much

Your 32 plasma:  240 x 4.5 x 0.4 x 365 = 157.68 KWH per year = 13.14 KWH per month
42 inch plasma (non full HD type) = 375 x 4.5 x 0.4 x　365 = 246.38 KHW per year = 20.53 KWH per month

So how much is additional 7.39 KWH per month in terms of electric bill?


Where did I get the multiplier 0.4?

I tabulated every single "KWH per year" rating published by Japanese TV makers for every model they offer based on the above usage condition (this is required by Japanese Energy Conservation Law) and then compared that value to the maximum power draw of the TV assuming they would constantly use maximum rated power.   I noticed that the average multiplier for plasma is approx. 0.4

To simplify the calculation, I assumed the actual power consumed during stand-by (19.5 hours) to be negligible because many recent models of both Plasma and LCD have barely 0.1W power draw under that mode.  Sa Philippines, where some probably unplug their TVs when not in use, the effect is the same.


Oh, guess what the approximate multiplier for LCD is?  Well I have to check my figures at home but I remember it's just a tad over 0.5 -  quite far from 100% claimed by those who think LCD draws its max power constantly at all times during operation.

[ninjababez®]

Based on guidelines set by Japanese Energy Conservation law (4.5 hours per day usage, 19.5 hours on stand-by), approximately this much

Your 32 plasma:  240 x 4.5 x 0.4 x 365 = 157.68 KWH per year = 13.14 KWH per month
42 inch plasma (non full HD type) = 375 x 4.5 x 0.4 x　365 = 246.38 KHW per year = 20.53 KWH per month

So how much is additional 7.39 KWH per month in terms of electric bill?


Where did I get the multiplier 0.4?

I tabulated every single "KWH per year" rating published by Japanese TV makers for every model they offer based on the above usage condition (this is required by Japanese Energy Conservation Law) and then compared that value to the maximum power draw of the TV assuming they would constantly use maximum rated power.   I noticed that the average multiplier for plasma is approx. 0.4

To simplify the calculation, I assumed the actual power consumed during stand-by (19.5 hours) to be negligible because many recent models of both Plasma and LCD have barely 0.1W power draw under that mode.  Sa Philippines, where some probably unplug their TVs when not in use, the effect is the same.


Oh, guess what the approximate multiplier for LCD is?  Well I have to check my figures at home but I remember it's just a tad over 0.5 -  quite far from 100% claimed by those who think LCD draws its max power constantly at all times during operation.

so bro from an average of 1.2k a month .. how much do you think would it sum up .. given that i havent change my viewing habits?
and regarding the power consumption of lcdtv, update us bro ha! 

[Clondalkin]

so bro from an average of 1.2k a month .. how much do you think would it sum up .. given that i havent change my viewing habits?
and regarding the power consumption of lcdtv, update us bro ha! 

That's why Im asking how much in Peso would the additional 7.39 KWH per month cost.  A few hundred pesos?  I dont know the rates in Manila but I dont think 7.39KWH would be painful in the wallet for someone who can afford a 42V plasma.

Then in the case of Manila, I think many are using various kinds of line conditioner that also draws electric power.  If your current line protections are already sufficient to carry the additional load from 32 to 42V Plasma, then good.  Otherwise, you'd have to upgrade your AVR, UPS, surge protector, etc. to suit the capacity of the 42V plasma.

[ninjababez®]

That's why Im asking how much in Peso would the additional 7.39 KWH per month cost.  A few hundred pesos?  I dont know the rates in Manila but I dont think 7.39KWH would be painful in the wallet for someone who can afford a 42V plasma.

Then in the case of Manila, I think many are using various kinds of line conditioner that also draws electric power.  If your current line protections are already sufficient to carry the additional load from 32 to 42V Plasma, then good.  Otherwise, you'd have to upgrade your AVR, UPS, surge protector, etc. to suit the capacity of the 42V plasma.

thats nice to hear .. overkill naman avr and surge protector ko, so its more than enough (1000 watts for both avr and surge protector)  ..

[Clondalkin]

thats nice to hear .. overkill naman avr and surge protector ko, so its more than enough (1000 watts for both avr and surge protector)  ..

By the way, the approximation is based on an average of 4.5 hours of daily usage.  If you watch the TV longer than that, then the additional KWH per month is just arithmetic.  Again this is just a approximation but it appears valid enough.

All those figures regarding annual KWH consumption of various makes, sizes and resolutions will be posted within this weekend.

[ninjababez®]

By the way, the approximation is based on an average of 4.5 hours of daily usage.  If you watch the TV longer than that, then the additional KWH per month is just arithmetic.  Again this is just a approximation but it appears valid enough.

All those figures regarding annual KWH consumption of various makes, sizes and resolutions will be posted within this weekend.

ill keep you posted bro .. i will update my post within the next 2 months .. and hopefully we could comeup with a concrete computation ..

[Clondalkin]

ill keep you posted bro .. i will update my post within the next 2 months .. and hopefully we could comeup with a concrete computation ..

Time pers.   Did you replace the 32 LG plasma by the 42V panasonic or are you now using them both? 

We cannot possiby come up with a concrete computation because the details of the "4.5-hour testing period" or all makers are not revealed.   The condition that was given to them by the government is that it has to represent a "normal viewing experience of a household". We can only reach some kind of guideline on what to expect in terms of monthly electric bills or monthly KWH usage.   In any case, the 0.4 multiplier is very much consistent with the general idea that the electric power draw of a plasma fluctuates depending on the characteristics of the moving image on the screen.   So it can be surmised that the 4.5 hour testing period covered all varying levels of brightness and contrast that would be experienced under normal viewing conditions.

[ninjababez®]

i replaced it with a 42" and planning to buy a 21" crt tv for my regular cable tv viewing ..
so ps3 and htpc nalang talaga yung 42" pana ko .. 

[Clondalkin]

i replaced it with a 42" and planning to buy a 21" crt tv for my regular cable tv viewing ..
so ps3 and htpc nalang talaga yung 42" pana ko .. 

Why would you not use your plasma for regular cable TV?    Laspagin mo sa gamit para masulit because Plasma and LCD techs keep on improving so fast.   Well perhaps you need a 2nd TV for the family?

[iiinas]

Question Bros:  Tinatamad kase akong mag-check.

Outside Japan, do any Plasma or LCD maker publish the "Annual Power Consumption in KWH" of their models based on guidelines set by the country(s)' Energy Conservation Act/Law, or is it only the rated maximum power draw in Watts?

If not, I can post some Japanese data based on Japanese Energy Conservation Laws for your own interpretations.  It should give a better idea why some people can claim that plasma may be more energy efficient than an LCD.   Or is it?

no such thing here sir clondalkin. closest will be what they put on aircons in terms of btus. if you can post it it will be of interest for us here. 

[ninjababez®]

Why would you not use your plasma for regular cable TV?    Laspagin mo sa gamit para masulit because Plasma and LCD techs keep on improving so fast.   Well perhaps you need a 2nd TV for the family?

well my gfs kid watches cable tv a lot .. and afaik a 21" crts has lower wattage .. (we dont have HD cable anyway and destiny cable in our location sucks big time)

[Mouldingo]

Plasma surprisingly gaining ground on LCD?

Here we are again, smack dab in the crossfire as another plasma versus LCD battle rages on. This time, it's plasma surprisingly on top, with sales of LCD TVs seeming to slow as PDP adoption grows. One may assume that the global economic situation would cause a drop in sales across all platforms, but according to a new report from DisplaySearch, that's hardly the case. In fact, one David Hsieh (VP of DisplaySearch in China) even asserted that "plasma sales are booming while LCD TV sales are beginning to slow." Plasma panels continue to maintain a price gap with equivalent LCD TV panels. For example, 42" HD plasma panels (including power supply and optical filter) are now 25% less than 42" 720p LCD panel prices and 31% less than 1080p (including power supply). A similar comparison shows that 50" HD plasma panels are 45% less than 52" 1080p LCD panels (and 29% less than 50" 1080p plasma panels). Of course, the gap is expected to shrink as 1080p LCD TV panels are now falling rapidly.
Low price points for the coming holiday season are increasingly likely, such as $699-799 for 42" HD PDP TV, $999 for 50" HD PDP TV, and $1,499-1,599 for 50" 1080p PDP TV. Strong plasma panel shipments could be an indication that the brands are preparing the pipeline.

Some TV brands feel that as long as the economic situation is unclear, it is possible that consumer electronics consumption will be weak. In such an environment, consumers will tend to choose cheaper models when they purchase a TV. Currently, plasma TVs with comparable size and resolution are less expensive in many cases. Panasonic's TH50PX80U (50" HD PDP TV) is tagged at $1,200 at Circuit City, which is the same price as Sharp's LC42D64U (42" 1080p LCD TV). Panasonic's TH42PX80U (42" HD PDP) is tagged at $800 in Circuit City, the same as LG's 37LG30 (37" HD LCD TV).

These attractive price points seem to explain why plasma panel demand is strong right now, even as the forecast for larger size LCD TV remains cloudy.




http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/09/plasma-surprisingly-gaining-ground-on-lcd/

[Nemesis91]

Up for this!

[straker]

Aside from dusting off, are there any maintenance concerns for both plasma & LCD and keep me away from big repair bills?

[barrister]

Pioneer Kuro LCD review:





Pioneer KURO KRL-37V 37in LCD TV
John Archer
3rd Nov 2008


... Is Pioneer's first KURO LCD TV good? Yes it is. Does it produce better pictures than the Sharp TVs it shares its heritage with? Definitely. Does it produce better pictures than most other LCD TVs period? Yes.

However, at the same time it's not as spectacular - either in itself, or in comparison with the absolute best of its rivals - as Pioneer's KURO plasmas.


http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2008/11/03/Pioneer-KURO-KRL-37V-37in-LCD-TV/p1