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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #360 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 09:10 AM »
pero ok din po eto khit hindi dd or dts kc 7 ung speaker out nyapuwede mag 7.1 setup. hehehe wala nga .1 pero meron siya out for powered sub.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #361 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 09:32 AM »
pero ok din po eto khit hindi dd or dts kc 7 ung speaker out nyapuwede mag 7.1 setup. hehehe wala nga .1 pero meron siya out for powered sub.


Bro yung out niya for powered sub yun yung .1, yun nga lang does it have a 5.1 ch in-put? other wise yung 7.1 speakers niya would only produce signals from the left / right input channels only. kasi it wont distribute independent dedicated signal channels like from the dolby D at DTS. iba pa rin kung fiber optic or may 5.1 channel input like the konzert 600R kung baga may expansion input siya hindi stereo lang. pwede yan sakura nakuha mo sa prologic. 4/ch, kasi yung prologic would only need 2/ch channels (L/R) input to produce multiple channels yung nga lang replicated from the input source (L/R). pero at least thats a good AVR for start up...

keep up the good work bro, sooner or later you'll have a very very good set up....  ;)
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #362 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 01:14 PM »

sana dumating ang araw na may DD or DTS na yan sakura and konzert amps (o meron na?). so far they are just deriving from left/right channels.


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #363 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 01:28 PM »
sana dumating ang araw na may DD or DTS na yan sakura and konzert amps (o meron na?). so far they are just deriving from left/right channels.



I'm using Konzert Av600r, its already have DD/DTS output from 5.1 analog input...

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #364 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 01:36 PM »
I'm using Konzert Av600r, its already have DD/DTS output from 5.1 analog input...

Ayan and maganda, dapat separate ang 5 channels.

So dapat may DD/DTS decoder yun dvd player right?


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #365 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 01:45 PM »
Ayan and maganda, dapat separate ang 5 channels.

So dapat may DD/DTS decoder yun dvd player right?



yes, DD/DTS decoder dapat ang dvd  player.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #366 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 02:02 PM »
ilang watts po ung konzert 600r meron po b ito a/b selector or tlagang 5.1 lng?. meron na prologic av5024 just push the surround button for sr,sl, and c speakers to activate.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #367 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 02:11 PM »
Brian,

Yan ang gusto ko bro. Dati kasi I was planning on building a 5-channel tubed gainclone for HT kaso wala ako makita 5-ganged pot para sa volume. ayan tuloy 2.1 pa din ako.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #368 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 04:10 PM »
ilang watts po ung konzert 600r meron po b ito a/b selector or tlagang 5.1 lng?. meron na prologic av5024 just push the surround button for sr,sl, and c speakers to activate.

based sa specs  150wrms X 5,  walang a/b seclector 5.1 output lang

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #369 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 04:11 PM »
Brian,

Yan ang gusto ko bro. Dati kasi I was planning on building a 5-channel tubed gainclone for HT kaso wala ako makita 5-ganged pot para sa volume. ayan tuloy 2.1 pa din ako.  ;D ;D ;D

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kahit naka 2.1  ka lang, still dream ko pa rin yung audio set-up mo..


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #370 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 04:36 PM »
question lang sa mga speaker diyers

When designing a 2 way speaker, ano ang tamang sensitivity ng tweeter pag ang lf driver ay 86db?
94db ba for hf? As i understand, hindi sila puedeng parehong 86db. If so, ano ang dapat? :)

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #371 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 07:54 PM »
i'm no expert on this ala chamba kung baga.

ung surround ko 2 way un, i used 1 daiichi pro-pw-65ds 6" woofer and ultra ut-108 tweeter used a capacitor

instead of a dividing network para makamura. ok ang tunog. 

ang important is that ung tweeter nagcocompliment sa woofer. [as the master told me (JOJOD)]

just my .2 pesoses

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #372 on: Jun 05, 2006 at 11:27 PM »
salamat.
mayron kayang general rule dito? kung ang woofer ay 86db ilang db dapat ang Tweeter?
sana may general rule at least, kasi science ang driver integration.
congrats on your diy speaker and im sure maganda ito tumunog. btw, ano pala ang sensitivity ng woofer and tweeter na ginamit mo?

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #373 on: Jun 06, 2006 at 02:53 AM »
mark,

when I was a small boy (hindi pa ganun katagal yun ha!), my brothers who were into (like most of us here) building their own speaker systems. after choosing their drivers for a two-way system they hit a problem much like what you are asking now. so what they did was solicit the help of my father and uncle who were also into audio during their time. what they had in mind was to build a passive crossover that would render the flatest response from the woofer and the tweeter, now since the tweeter has (almost always) the higher sensitivity they had to attenuate it so it won't overpower the woofer or something in those lines.

from what I remember, they used a signal generator, an oscilloscope, and something that resembles a mic and put the finished speaker inside a bigger box laced with foam and then seal it for testing. I don't know where they got that idea for testing speakers but that speaker sure sounded great.  :)

oh well, I guess now we have better tools and formulas for determining that.  ;D ;D ;D

cheers

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #374 on: Jun 06, 2006 at 09:00 AM »
I dont know if this is true, but some put in line a small bulb together with a 2.2 mf 50v capacitor. The bulb is similar to those of a christmass tree lights. someone told me that this is to cut off shear brightness from tweeter. due to the inherit high sensitivity. some even told me it produces a balanced spectrum between the tweeters and mid woofer...

-----------------(- ) tweeter (+)-----2.2mf 50V capacitor-----bulb------

                         
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #375 on: Jun 06, 2006 at 11:31 AM »
that's probably true, i've seen hi-end crossovers with resistors in the tweeters path. some use l-pads for an adjustable feel. using bulbs probably has the same effect since a cold filament pose a much lower resistance.



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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #376 on: Jun 06, 2006 at 04:23 PM »
Thanks Sirs. :)
Jo, family tradition pala ang audio sa inyo. 2 Generations of audio diy'ers / tweakers . :)


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #377 on: Jun 06, 2006 at 06:01 PM »
Thanks Sirs. :)
Jo, family tradition pala ang audio sa inyo. 2 Generations of audio diy'ers / tweakers . :)



Thanks sir, actually I belong to the 3rd gen already. I just wonder if I would appreciate what my grandfather calls "music" during pre Fil-Jap war.  ::)


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #378 on: Jun 07, 2006 at 11:00 AM »
I dont know if this is true, but some put in line a small bulb together with a 2.2 mf 50v capacitor. The bulb is similar to those of a christmass tree lights. someone told me that this is to cut off shear brightness from tweeter. due to the inherit high sensitivity. some even told me it produces a balanced spectrum between the tweeters and mid woofer...

-----------------(- ) tweeter (+)-----2.2mf 50V capacitor-----bulb------

                         

it is just a plain resistor. If tweeter has high sensitivity and woofer low sensitivity, the best balancer is to use a resistor and cut-off the freq of tweeter at high-roll off of the big driver. With resistor added, the total impedance of tweeter becomes so large (if resistor needed to equalize is high) that from the amp point of view, the load that it can see is only the big driver. This is typically being done if you are into full range speakers which is helped by helper tweeter. Thus, there is no phase shift in the full range driver.
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #379 on: Jun 09, 2006 at 10:30 AM »
just like to share my 90% done 5.0 speakers this only cost me 9K  materials and labor = (for capentry of the box)
maybe 10k if fully finished

5 tweeters
ULTRA UT 108

2 Midrange
Crystal Mobile Audio CS 504M

8 Woofers Daiichi
2 6" PRO-PW-65D
2 6" PRO-PW-65DS
4 8" PRO-PW-90D

                             


Bro,   a friend is asking favor for this,  can you indicate the price of these spkrs of yours, he's also planning to build a DIY floor stander that will be use for audio.. thanks

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #380 on: Jun 10, 2006 at 12:51 AM »
5 tweeters
ULTRA UT 108

200php each add 10php each for capacitor nabili ko to sa penny lane sa 600 evangelista cor. g. puyat

2 Midrange
Crystal Mobile Audio CS 504M

430php. sa megamall ko to nbili daiichi showroom. wala ako mahanp nito sa raon.

8 Woofers Daiichi
2 6" PRO-PW-65D   450 daiichi showroom megamall
2 6" PRO-PW-65DS 350 lindrix 611 stall 7-a raon shopping center
4 8" PRO-PW-90D   460 cherubim 674 ronquillo

extras.

2 dividing network. 275php each miyama 300watts. deeco

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #381 on: Jun 11, 2006 at 03:32 PM »
Yo!

Anyone know where I can find flared port tubes? I need 2pcs 4" diameter opening.

Also if anyone has any info on where I can find those black neoprene tapes, I need 'em for sealing my sub plateamp to the sub box.

Thanks!


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #382 on: Jun 12, 2006 at 01:53 AM »
Yo!

Anyone know where I can find flared port tubes? I need 2pcs 4" diameter opening.

Also if anyone has any info on where I can find those black neoprene tapes, I need 'em for sealing my sub plateamp to the sub box.

Thanks!



u can buy them sa banawe sa mga car audio shops but the price is steep. it's about 1k per pair ba yon or each.

better diy nalang as u are a good diy'er. check this site:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/bcolliso/flares-25mm.htm

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #383 on: Jun 12, 2006 at 09:27 AM »
u can buy them sa banawe sa mga car audio shops but the price is steep. it's about 1k per pair ba yon or each.

better diy nalang as u are a good diy'er. check this site:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/bcolliso/flares-25mm.htm

how bout the neoprene tapes? any ideas where we can buy?.... thanks
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #384 on: Jun 12, 2006 at 09:41 AM »
hanz,

i do not know where to get it.

how about using a thin rubber mat usually found in mr quickie or shoe repair shops. they can be cut to to any form and should make a good seal.


sir jojoD,

natapos na ba ang hi-end plate amp design mo?

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #385 on: Jun 12, 2006 at 11:50 AM »


sir jojoD,

natapos na ba ang hi-end plate amp design mo?

plate na lang ang kulang. but it is already working in it's skeletal state. that's why I'm looking for box parts, I'll try looking in banawe next week.

marine ply ang gagamitin ko since yan ang meron sa bodega, btw, 4th order bandpass box design so I do need a huge port.


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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #386 on: Jun 13, 2006 at 04:07 PM »
5 tweeters
ULTRA UT 108

200php each add 10php each for capacitor nabili ko to sa penny lane sa 600 evangelista cor. g. puyat

2 Midrange
Crystal Mobile Audio CS 504M

430php. sa megamall ko to nbili daiichi showroom. wala ako mahanp nito sa raon.

8 Woofers Daiichi
2 6" PRO-PW-65D   450 daiichi showroom megamall
2 6" PRO-PW-65DS 350 lindrix 611 stall 7-a raon shopping center
4 8" PRO-PW-90D   460 cherubim 674 ronquillo

extras.

2 dividing network. 275php each miyama 300watts. deeco


darrel,  bro thanks sa price list

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #387 on: Jun 13, 2006 at 06:28 PM »
no problem.

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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #388 on: Jun 16, 2006 at 07:47 PM »
bro darrel,

eto magandang i-DIY hehehe!



someday I might, magkano kaya aabutin to... but for now, unahin ko muna i tweak yung DTX 4.15 ko to JBL GTO...
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Re: Speaker DIY'ers
« Reply #389 on: Jun 16, 2006 at 09:17 PM »
retailed in 1995 500 usd ngaion meron ngbebenta nito 1500 usd each pa. parang ginto.