Topic: DVD-R Media Quality and Compatibility

[snapy]

I have that model. As experienced, HP and Phillips (P20 each) are good brands but Ridata (P20 each) is poor one. For low cost media, etop is the best among brands I tested (out of stock). Premium (P11) and Azul (P14) are good for me but not good enough as HP and Phillips.

Star and moon is not quality media (Cyclic redundancy error when you write a data and other back-ups) Parang nag-back-up ka pero walang silbi. Pag ginamit mo na, useless din kc sira ang files na nai-burn. Don't know sa ibang burner.

Buti nalang meron ako etop na ginamit kong pang back-up sa almost 15thou mp3 files ko at demo disk namin hehehe 

ive been using LG 4167B DL10 firmware
gamit ko moon and star..

e ok naman sa akin.. i burned lots of movies 400 to 600 mb file
minsan nasisira dahil bulok ung dvd.
pero 2 out of 100 naman ung nasira.. eh di ba sulit un?
i re verify on nero.. e ok nman.. so un parati buy ko

pero i dont know if it will last..

[Blu-Ray]

Ok lang siguro sa movies pero sabi ko nga, pag sa back-ups ng mga files palpak.

Sa movies kasi, karamihan sa nga player may error correction so smooth pa rin ang play nya.

[snapy]

Ok lang siguro sa movies pero sabi ko nga, pag sa back-ups ng mga files palpak.

Sa movies kasi, karamihan sa nga player may error correction so smooth pa rin ang play nya.

eh mpg files po yun.. and im not playing those on dvd players..
backup ko din un.. ive been using dvd rom to read those files and copy back to my pc..

[Lennon]

I have that model. As experienced, HP and Phillips (P20 each) are good brands but Ridata (P20 each) is poor one. For low cost media, etop is the best among brands I tested (out of stock). Premium (P11) and Azul (P14) are good for me but not good enough as HP and Phillips.

Star and moon is not quality media (Cyclic redundancy error when you write a data and other back-ups) Parang nag-back-up ka pero walang silbi. Pag ginamit mo na, useless din kc sira ang files na nai-burn. Don't know sa ibang burner.

Buti nalang meron ako etop na ginamit kong pang back-up sa almost 15thou mp3 files ko at demo disk namin hehehe 

@Blu-Ray,

bro, ano itsura nung Philips and HP na DVD-R sa CD-R King? just want to make sure i get the right ones. yung na-try ko palang kasi ay yung Ridata DVD-R (green) pati yung Imation Titanium DVD+R, both 20 pesos. parehong palpak sa data (ginamitan ko ng DVDSig). kakainis.

[p.dividdy2]

yes stay clear of ridata green discs super palpak niyan! ewan lang sa ibang burner but for lg..pangit siya.. 

moon and stars... i agree after watching it or using it ilan times, nag-dedegrade siya in quality hanggang maka kuha ka ng cyclic redundancy error.. tapon na! kapag liteon ka naman it wont burn..or weird siya.. may rings.. same goes with all the P7 nanya cdrking dvd-rs

[firewired]

Just visited CDR-King Podium yesterday and found out that the iomega 8X DVD-Rs and +Rs have dropped to Php16 each. Not a bad deal for those who've come to rely on this brand/media code combination (AE1 for DVD-R).

Also, they have a new shipment of eTop -Rs and +Rs for Php9 each. These don't look like the old eTops so has anyone tried them yet and verified the media code?

[snapy]

yes stay clear of ridata green discs super palpak niyan! ewan lang sa ibang burner but for lg..pangit siya.. 

moon and stars... i agree after watching it or using it ilan times, nag-dedegrade siya in quality hanggang maka kuha ka ng cyclic redundancy error.. tapon na! kapag liteon ka naman it wont burn..or weird siya.. may rings.. same goes with all the P7 nanya cdrking dvd-rs

same also.. ridata pag data pumapalpak.. lalo na pag iso ung mga files..
and how about moon and star..

wird.. ive been backuping videos using this media.. then? one of the file galing sa vcd .. id copied vcd to HDD
then.. pag burn ko uli sa cd ung .dat na file nya.. error and sira ung image..
when i tried to reencode the file gumana na ung cd..

wird.. but havent found any crc error at that media after verifying it..

[barrister]

Just visited CDR-King Podium yesterday and found out that the iomega 8X DVD-Rs and +Rs have dropped to Php16 each. Not a bad deal for those who've come to rely on this brand/media code combination (AE1 for DVD-R).

Ingat sa Iomega.  I was a former Iomega fan.  Start muna ako sa 3 pieces -R, maganda ang performance (CMC MAG.AF1), so 10 pieces na every time I buy.  Last purchase ko was Iomega -R 16x.  Tiwala na kasi, so 25 pieces -R na ang kinuha ko.  However, performance was bad on my Lite-on burner. 

Bakit naiba ang quality? Check ko ang MID -- iba na pala: "ProdiscFO2".  Ayoko na ng Iomega ngayon.

The best I've tried is Verbatim DVD-R (Mitsubishi Chem. Corp. MCC 01RG20)  Isa lang ang nakikita kong retailer, sa Greenhills carpark. 

[snapy]

Ingat sa Iomega.  I was a former Iomega fan.  Start muna ako sa 3 pieces -R, maganda ang performance (CMC MAG.AF1), so 10 pieces na every time I buy.  Last purchase ko was Iomega -R 16x.  Tiwala na kasi, so 25 pieces -R na ang kinuha ko.  However, performance was bad on my Lite-on burner. 

Bakit naiba ang quality? Check ko ang MID -- iba na pala: "ProdiscFO2".  Ayoko na ng Iomega ngayon.

The best I've tried is Verbatim DVD-R (Mitsubishi Chem. Corp. MCC 01RG20)  Isa lang ang nakikita kong retailer, sa Greenhills carpark. 

magkano ung verbatim na yan? teka sa crystal cdr world ba yan?
paanong bad performance sa liteon mo? crc error na ba?

[barrister]

Verbatim - P25 each.  (Mahal pa rin kahit high quality, considering na 4x lang).
Retailer's name - Datamax.

Performance ng Iomega 16x (ProdiscFO2) sa Lite-On - Around 30% coasters; nagha-hang ang write.  Humihinto na lang ang burn.   

Hindi ako bumibili ng ultra-cheap discs.  Kahit OK nga ang burn, malay naman natin kung gaano katagal ang buhay ng data.  Nonsense naman magpakapagod sa rip, compress and burn kung masisira din pala after some time.

[firewired]

Yup, never had a good experience with Prodisc either but I haven't tried their 16x DVD-Rs since my Pioneer burner only does 8x. I looked up the F02s though and the best that people can burn with the media seems to be 8x to 12x with firmware upgrades.

That said, I've never had a problem with the iomega CMC AE1s which are rated at 8x. I burn at 6x just to be safe and I've never burned a coaster.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name :      [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID :        [CMC MAG. AE1]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

[barrister]

That's good, sir.  It seems that the I.D. for the Iomega -R, 8x, is still CMC MAG.

Yung Iomega -R, 16x, ko (Prodisc) was burned at 4x, sometimes 8x lang, pero parehong palpak.  When I downgraded from the latest Lite-On firmware to the old stock firmware, nag-improve, but still unsatisfactory.

 

[snapy]

just went to r king

then.. wala na palang moon and star.
replacement?

printable dvd.. also nanya jc001
pero iba ung extended info nya

and what about nba dvds?

anyone tried that one?

[p.dividdy2]

i would guess the nba's are tyg02's.. same as the "premium" kaso not so reliable ito..hay mag branded na lang tayo.. lalong doble gastos dito sa cheap discs..

[snapy]

i would guess the nba's are tyg02's.. same as the "premium" kaso not so reliable ito..hay mag branded na lang tayo.. lalong doble gastos dito sa cheap discs..

and how about the orange disc? ung tig 8 each..
ano media code non?

[p.dividdy2]

same tyg02.. pero may iba DM ata or DN something like that....some dvd players do not like this lalo na mga LG, daewoo and hyundai..maybe its the chip these korean players use

[snapy]

same tyg02.. pero may iba DM ata or DN something like that....some dvd players do not like this lalo na mga LG, daewoo and hyundai..maybe its the chip these korean players use

where can we see that DM or DN na sinasabi mo?

[p.dividdy2]

kasi yung orange bear paw iba iba ang brand pinatungan lang...karamihan sa kanila ang code tyg02 pero may isa dm or dn..i think the brand underneath is spacetech or something to that effect (makikita mo naman manipis lang yung orange coating)..pasensya na isa lang yung nabili kong ganon eh lahat tyg02 na ang code na natira sa akin napamigay ko na so i cant check again

[snapy]

kasi yung orange bear paw iba iba ang brand pinatungan lang...karamihan sa kanila ang code tyg02 pero may isa dm or dn..i think the brand underneath is spacetech or something to that effect (makikita mo naman manipis lang yung orange coating)..pasensya na isa lang yung nabili kong ganon eh lahat tyg02 na ang code na natira sa akin napamigay ko na so i cant check again

many thnx for that info... pero may bago din ako na notice na dvd.. its 6 each..
branded cya.. pero nakalimutan ko ung tatak
description niya.. parang medyo silver tapos may brand na blue ang font color..

has anyone tried this?

[p.dividdy2]

di ko pa nakita yan tig-p6 pero sa presyo pa lang delikado na ehehehe
but we'll never know...unless someone tries it

anyway just an update on these orange discs.. yung iba nito sumasabit or sumasayad sa tray parang malaki siya or something tapos it would make very loud and scary sayad sounds (parang sasabog yung writer..ahahaaha).. mag lead in siya pero mag e-error.. sayang na naman.. also its not P8 but P9..

[snapy]

di ko pa nakita yan tig-p6 pero sa presyo pa lang delikado na ehehehe
but we'll never know...unless someone tries it

anyway just an update on these orange discs.. yung iba nito sumasabit or sumasayad sa tray parang malaki siya or something tapos it would make very loud and scary sayad sounds (parang sasabog yung writer..ahahaaha).. mag lead in siya pero mag e-error.. sayang na naman.. also its not P8 but P9..

damn.. edi mahal cya.. dapat may printable dvd na lang ako.. its also the nanya jc001 stuff..
pero iba nga lng ung extended info nya..

had tried this using lg 41 67
so far ok naman.. pero i dont know if it will last

[p.dividdy2]

same tayo lg, i also have liteon kaso i dont use it much kasi di siya compatible sa nanya.. and lg does better burns in general

[SPaCeMaN SPiFF]

DVD-R Media is highly dependent on the DVD-Writer. Ive had a 2yr relationship with a NuTech DVD-Writer, and it wasnt so sweet, put it this way I never bothered to write DVD discs, too many coasters no matter what kind of DVD-Rs I used.  Some Success never 100% reliable even with the expensive DVD-Rs.  It finally gave up on me, (couldnt read blank DVD-Rs anymore) so I ran off to buy a BENQ 1640

whoa I'm loving it now! I haven't stopped backing up files and videos yet! Got it yesterday, so far burned 13 DVD-Rs no Coasters yet!  The Beauty of this baby is that it has a self learning write strategy for unsupported DVDs and stores them on the eprom. Plus Solidburn and Overspeed.

Leaving Solidburn and Overspeed on, its a no brainer.  The drive will test the Disc to what speed it would be most efficient on.  Just leave nero on max speed (16x) and Solidburn and Overspeed will determine the proper speed and laser intensity depending on the disc. 

If your DVD can burn faster than its rated speed it will, and vise versa.  So if you have a poor quality DVD-R the drive will write with the most compatible write speed.  If you have a high quality disc, then it will burn faster than rated speed.  All insuring a quality burn.

Burned 11 Fortis DVD-Rs these are 4x discs and took quite a while to burn full DVD-Rs = Ave time 16 Min
Burned 2 Imation Titanium 8x discs and these were fast = Ave 6 Min (forgot how much these were, but definately be getting some more!)

I guess the Titatanums are good since they burned way faster than the Fortis.  I'll be testing the Philips DVD-R  8X later on some DVD rips and see how fast it will go.

I have yet to test it with the CDR-King Premium Discs (the green ones) and see how fast they go.

I believe I can throw any DVD-R/+R at this drive and it will still do a quality burn!

i'm checking the market for a DVD recorder and so far my 2 lead choices are SONY (DRU-810a) and BENQ (1640 or the 1625, cause i would LOVE to have one that supports lightscribe ... i'm also looking out for the 1655 tho... hopefully, i can find one. the specs were just that impressive.)

anyone care to make suggestions... especially on which writer has the best compatibility with all these media?

thanks. (sorry, i know it's a little off topic but jpadua's post got me thinking.  )

[jambam]

for dvd media sourced from cdr king ..my best writer has been the Nec 3500 .. (compared w/ old liteon , pioneed dvr108 and benq 1640)  its been great w/ ridata , and cmc media ( iomega ,hp,philips,imation)  and some of the other medias but at lower speed.

I prefer dvd-r due to compatibility , but most of the time write times are a little slower than +r around 2 mins differnence on 8x speeds...

[SPaCeMaN SPiFF]

for dvd media sourced from cdr king ..my best writer has been the Nec 3500 .. (compared w/ old liteon , pioneed dvr108 and benq 1640)  its been great w/ ridata , and cmc media ( iomega ,hp,philips,imation)  and some of the other medias but at lower speed.

I prefer dvd-r due to compatibility , but most of the time write times are a little slower than +r around 2 mins differnence on 8x speeds...

nice... i cal live with the 2 mins difference (i still write on CD-Rs at 4x. LOL.)... where are these NECs available? do they also write on DVD+/-R DLs?

[jambam]

I had to get my NEC from HK , you can try tipidpc , an alternate is the DVR 110 from pioneer , they use the same chipset , but i think Nec firmware is better , they they write DL but personally I have not tested .. too expensive if i make a coaster

[snapy]

Another updates about the DVD-s


DVD+R = Cdr-king bear / Etop orange

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
 Disc Type:           : DVD-R
 Book Type            : DVD-R
 Manufacturer:        :  unknown
 MID                  : TYG02
 Write speeds:        : 4 X - 8 X
 Blank Capacity       : 4.38 GB
                      : 4489 MB
                      : 4707321856 bytes
Extended Information
 Layers               : 1
 Usage                : General
 Copyright protection : n/a
 Recorder information
 Disc Status          : Empty
Raw Data
Pre-recorded Information in Lead-in (0Eh)
0000 - 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 66 78 80 00 - [email protected]..
0010 - 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - .TYG02..........
0020 - 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 58 DD 05 00 18 EE 90 7C - ...""...X......|
0030 - 78 FB 90 7C FF FF FF FF 71 FB 90 7C 18 6A DD 77 - x..|....q..|.j.w
0040 - 51 6A DD 77 00 00 15 00 02 00 00 80 30 00 00 00 - Qj.w........0...
0050 - 18 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 90 DD 05 00 40 00 01 00 - ....0.......@...
0060 - 0B 00 00 00 98 DC 05 00 4E 00 4E 00 10 DE 05 00 - ........N.N.....

comments = ha? paano naging etop ung cdrking? nagpapagawa cla sa etop?



DVD+R = Cdr-king NBA miami heat

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
 Disc Type:       : DVD+R
 Book Type        : DVD+R
 Manufacturer:    : Verbatim
 MID              : MCC 003 (000)
 Write speeds:    : 2.4 X - 4 X - 8 X - 8.0 X - 12 X
 Blank Capacity   : 4.38 GB
                  : 4482 MB
                  : 4700375040 bytes
Extended Information
 Layers           : 1
 Write strategies : 4 X - 8 X
 Disc Status      : Empty
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F 00 00 00 00 - .........&.?....
0010 - 00 00 03 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 30 33 00 38 - ...MCC.....003.8
0020 - 23 54 37 15 02 52 6C 02 B4 63 15 15 0B 0A 08 08 - #T7..Rl..c......
0030 - 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................
0040 - 01 00 38 38 02 31 5F 1C 06 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 - ..88.1_...#.....
0050 - 00 00 02 31 5F 1C 06 2E 23 10 04 1E 1D 01 00 00 - ...1_...#.......
0060 - 02 00 54 70 02 2F 63 67 20 14 0B 0B 01 20 00 00 - ..Tp./cg........
0070 - 00 00 02 43 63 67 20 14 0B 0B 01 20 00 00 00 36 - ...Ccg.........6


comments= verbatim?
both sold at 9 each.. parang tumaas na yata dvd today..
but fortis got lower again at 10 each => e bulok ito e..

burn comments? later.. di ko pa nasusubukan.. just giving u up to date updates..

[snapy]

both of them are good.. but still wont work in my player... saan na ba yang moon and star na yan kailangan ko na.. im using old dvd player sony..

[snapy]

an update.. NBA portland trail blazer white DVD-r

MID
Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
 Disc Type:       : DVD+R
 Book Type        : DVD-ROM
 Manufacturer:    :  unknown
 MID              : YUDEN000 T02 (000)
 Write speeds:    : 2.4 X - 4 X - 8 X - 8.0 X - 12 X
 Blank Capacity   : n/a
Extended Information
 Layers           : 1
 Write strategies : 4 X - 8 X
 Disc Status      : Closed
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 01 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 0A 8A 0F 00 00 00 00 - ................
0010 - 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4E 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 - ...YUDEN000T02.8
0020 - 23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 8C 63 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A - #T7..Nr..c......
0030 - 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ................
0040 - 01 00 38 38 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0E 12 12 01 - ..88.4c.."".....
0050 - 00 00 02 34 63 13 05 22 22 10 0E 12 12 01 00 00 - ...4c.."".......
0060 - 02 00 54 70 02 4E 64 4A 20 11 08 08 01 18 00 00 - ..Tp.NdJ........
0070 - 00 00 02 67 64 4E 20 10 08 08 01 18 00 00 00 30 - ...gdN.........0


comments.. no defects when burning.. but still doesnt accept my old player sony.. ayaw parin magplay..

UPDATE:
argg sumablay na tong disc once out of 8.. cannot perform finalizing disc daw.. ano ba to..

[snapy]

DVD-R = Dog design blue

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
 Disc Type:           : DVD-R
 Book Type            : DVD-R
 Manufacturer:        :  unknown
 MID                  : TYG02
 Write speeds:        : 4 X - 8 X
 Blank Capacity       : 4.38 GB
                      : 4488 MB
                      : 4706076672 bytes
Extended Information
 Layers               : 1
 Usage                : General
 Copyright protection : n/a
 Recorder information
 Disc Status          : Empty
Raw Data
Pre-recorded Information in Lead-in (0Eh)
0000 - 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 66 78 80 00 - [email protected]..
0010 - 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - .TYG02..........
0020 - 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 40 D4 05 00 18 EE 90 7C - ...""...@......|
0030 - 78 FB 90 7C FF FF FF FF 71 FB 90 7C 18 6A DD 77 - x..|....q..|.j.w
0040 - 51 6A DD 77 00 00 15 00 02 00 00 80 30 00 00 00 - Qj.w........0...
0050 - 18 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 78 D4 05 00 40 00 01 00 - ....0...x...@...
0060 - 0B 00 00 00 80 D3 05 00 4E 00 4E 00 F8 D4 05 00 - ........N.N.....


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