Topic: 1% THD of Pioneer Receivers

[jerix]

As for the 1% audible or not, one has to have a built-in oscilloscope in their ears I guess. 

this comes from the mind and experience of the guru-- 

[jerix]

ano ba yang 1% THD na yan. Matagal ko na gamit pioneer receiver ko okey naman ang sound niya almost 4 years na ito. Mali ba nabili ko unit o me depekto na hindi ko alam?

Bro, the answer is --- NONE OF THE ABOVE -- Its just that it bares a certain measurement based on a certain formula that is now the main subject of the entire discussion- 

[aHobbit]

This thread is being HIJACKED!!!   

Akala ko SURPLUS AMPS - kasama na kasi gulaman sa posts eh.

[RU9]

Its just that it bares a certain measurement based on a certain formula that is now the main subject of the entire discussion- 

My understanding of this thread:

If Pioneer wants to sell an amp/receiver in some parts of Europe, they have to comply to a standard set by DIN.  DIN wants Pioneer to adhere to the “x watts @ 1 kHz,” rating.

Pioneer followed DIN, but someone called it "marketing hype".

BTW,

DIN (DEUTCHE INDUSTRIE-NORME): The German industrial standard. In the audio industry governing plugs, sockets and general performance criteria.

[onedown]

ano ba yang 1% THD na yan. Matagal ko na gamit pioneer receiver ko okey naman ang sound niya almost 4 years na ito. Mali ba nabili ko unit o me depekto na hindi ko alam?

if you have been enjoying your pioneer for almost four years, then i suggest you stop worrying about specs like thd. the important thing is you enjoy your system.

 

[losi_phile]

I agree!

Let's just enjoy the music with our Pioneers

[kimpao]

This thread is being HIJACKED!!!   

Akala ko SURPLUS AMPS - kasama na kasi gulaman sa posts eh.

di naman sir, sigurado mas masarap kasi pag-usapan ito lalo na pag may gulaman.

[aHobbit]

Happy New Year!!!

[john5479]

unless your speakers are distortion free as well ,1% THD is not really that discernible IMHO

[rony]

if you have been enjoying your pioneer for almost four years, then i suggest you stop worrying about specs like thd. the important thing is you enjoy your system.

 

Ang haba na kasi ng thread na ito kala ko me problem o kaya pangit ang sound ng pioneer reciever ko.

[JojoD818]

Happy New Year!!!

Likewise! 

[JojoD818]

di naman sir, sigurado mas masarap kasi pag-usapan ito lalo na pag may gulaman.

isama mo na yun kitchen shootout ni kuya sa gulaman para mas maintindihan yun THD. 

[jerix]

This thread is being HIJACKED!!!   

Akala ko SURPLUS AMPS - kasama na kasi gulaman sa posts eh.

hehehe! maganda rin kung me THD paminsan-minsan sa thread na ito kasi it makes the discussion light-- 

[arthurallanj]

It is true what you say, but if the talent (or knowledge in this case) is wrong, then it would lead us nowhere.

Definitely Sir, that's why the road is dark, and that's why you must have the courage, and not be afraid to be wrong, until you find the truth. All I was trying to say was, that is the price of the search for knowledge, pain, headaches... Kasi some of us nagrereklamo na nakakahilo na raw. Sir, I guess we all know that madugo talaga ang search for knowledge, and I respect everybody here that takes everything with a grain of salt. Questioning leads to the truth, di po ba? And we thank you in your attempt to correct anything false or inaccurate. No argument with all of you sir, all of you have knowledge that is beyond my own, and I'm just learning here, just wish we'd be as objective and dispassionate as possible. My respect to you sir.

[JojoD818]

Definitely Sir, that's why the road is dark, and that's why you must have the courage, and not be afraid to be wrong, until you find the truth. All I was trying to say was, that is the price of the search for knowledge, pain, headaches... Kasi some of us nagrereklamo na nakakahilo na raw. Sir, I guess we all know that madugo talaga ang search for knowledge, and I respect everybody here that takes everything with a grain of salt. Questioning leads to the truth, di po ba? And we thank you in your attempt to correct anything false or inaccurate. No argument with all of you sir, all of you have knowledge that is beyond my own, and I'm just learning here, just wish we'd be as objective and dispassionate as possible. My respect to you sir.

I understand, and likewise, my respect to you too.

[aHobbit]

mukhang nagkakaigihan na kayo ah - o, kiss na! 

Parang soap opera! 

[akyatbundok]

guys pinakinggan ko ulit yun Sheffield Lab Test CD, there are 6 tracks featuring varying degrees of distortion over the entire frequency spectrum: 0% .1% .3% 1% 3% and 10%.

there are 6 tracks featuring a sine wave at 1khz, i was able to hear obvious distortion starting at 3%.

there are another 6 tracks featuring a rather complex song with several instruments, i'm not sure if i can hear a difference between zero distortion and 3% distortion, the music was moving too fast, but there seems to be an obvious difference at 10%.

i probably should have listened a little louder to hear the difference, but it was night time already and i didn't want to disturb the neighbors.... so i guess my listening level was "normal" volume around that time.

[audi0slave]

avphile1 point is not about the 1%THd of pioneer - and I still see he still did not get his point being raised in the thread - and another one joined the fray - with graver accusation against all the rest of the brands  . His issue is that Pioneer is not truthful, misinforming, hyping without basis, their products.

Kailangan pa bang imemorize ito?

why do i get a feeling that you don't comprehend what you read??? I said "I think xxx xxx xxx"... so it's not a sweeping statement. You should learn how to respect someone else's opinion here and not impose your little knowledge at will. We can disagree and not become disagreeable at the same time. 

[jerix]

guys pinakinggan ko ulit yun Sheffield Lab Test CD, there are 6 tracks featuring varying degrees of distortion over the entire frequency spectrum: 0% .1% .3% 1% 3% and 10%.

there are 6 tracks featuring a sine wave at 1khz, i was able to hear obvious distortion starting at 3%.

there are another 6 tracks featuring a rather complex song with several instruments, i'm not sure if i can hear a difference between zero distortion and 3% distortion, the music was moving too fast, but there seems to be an obvious difference at 10%.

i probably should have listened a little louder to hear the difference, but it was night time already and i didn't want to disturb the neighbors.... so i guess my listening level was "normal" volume around that time.

under normal listening level, maybe at half of your amps power, less than 3% of THD at 1Khz is not even audible -- so how much more with 1% which can be reached only if u go as high as 100 w of your amps power, which we do not normally do?

[aHobbit]

why do i get a feeling that you don't comprehend what you read??? I said "I think xxx xxx xxx"... so it's not a sweeping statement. You should learn how to respect someone else's opinion here and not impose your little knowledge at will. We can disagree and not become disagreeable at the same time. 

The topic is already moot and academic. 

I think I have not been discourteous to anyone - in fact I just use their own words in repost. 

I won't dissect anymore the post (like what you did) from which you are posting above, in the hope that I will not also get the feeling that you also did not comprehend my post.  .

Further, it's my opinion also - and I hate to say it's correct, being my opinion. 

SO I think in my opinion I respected your opinion. - for as long as, in my opinion, you also respect my opinion in my post. 

And in my opinion, any opinions posted by anybody in response to the opinions of somebody should have solicited an opinion that will be beneficial to the topic at hand so that an opinion can become more established and be elevated to just mere opinion but of practical value to the reader

IMHO, I apologize if I have imposed my little knowledge at will to you.    Did I??? 

Peace on earth, goodwill to men! 

[john5479]

Bottom line: respect each other's opinion

[Philander]

sobrang hangin. huh...

[JojoD818]

This is probably the most informative and action-packed thread in this forum. 


Hugs and Kisses,
JojoD 

[john5479]

yup, technical, informative, humorous, with a little bit of sarcasm...and the saga continues hehehe

[losi_phile]

This is probably the most informative and action-packed thread in this forum.


Hugs and Kisses,
JojoD

Mayroon pang mas matindi kaysa sa thread na ito.

Balik na tayo sa Gainclone thread baka bigla dumaan si hurricane Ivan dito at... 

Kailangan pa bang i-memorize yan...OT na to no! 

[JojoD818]

Mayroon pang mas matindi kaysa sa thread na ito.

Balik na tayo sa Gainclone thread baka bigla dumaan si hurricane Ivan dito at... 

Kailangan pa bang i-memorize yan...OT na to no! 

 

[Philander]

OT rin...

Eh pano na yung Interconnects and speaker cable threads... 

[kimpao]

OT rin...

Eh pano na yung Interconnects and speaker cable threads... 

Ahahahaha!!!! Akala ko sir na baun na na yung topic na yun. 

[levi]

Lets go back to the topic peacefully.


Wag na ninyo ibalik ang Interconnects magulo talaga yon dahil ang kalaban doon multiple identity. Conflicting pa dahil isang tao opposite sides.

[losi_phile]

Lets go back to the topic peacefully.


Wag na ninyo ibalik ang Interconnects magulo talaga yon dahil ang kalaban doon multiple identity. Conflicting pa dahil isang tao opposite sides.

Oo nga at kung hindi baka daanan tayo ni hurricane Ivan at tangayin sa kung saan-saang lupalop ng internet at hindi na tayo makabalik sa thread na ito.

Hindi pa rin na-memorize...OT pa rin!!!