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« Reply #3540 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:22 AM »
Parang ganito master.......



Either way master oks yan! ;D bili ng dalawa kung gusto pang audio, bili ng lima kung pang HT. Kung gusto mag 7.1 bili ulit ng dalawa at kung 9.1 naman bili ulit ng dalawa. Kung 11.1 bili nalang ulit. Very versatile ika nga ;)




Mismo Brader! Parang mga UPS lang ano?  ;D ;D ;D

Tama, uber flexible pag monos, pwede kahit ilan ang kailangan... ;)

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From NMT ikabit mo lang optical cable to AVR. Tapos from NMT again, ikabit CDR-King P250 HDMI cable straight to lcd or plasma tv - ayos na!  ;D

Ah tama din pala yun nasa isip ko na way of connecting them.... thanks Brader! ;D

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Wala ata pre-outs etong Sony - so malamang kailangan mo nga ng may preouts para masubukan mo yung monoblocks mo ;D
Eto nakita ko sa net regarding yung Sony:

http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/Sony-5-1-Amfi-STR-DE545-DTS-DOLBY-DIGITAL_W0QQidZZ30476967

Naman yan, kailangan ko sana may preouts Brader, basta pwede DD/DTS tapos may preouts solve na hehehe...

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Teka, matanong ko lang.........pwede mo ba magawan ng external preouts ang isang amp/avr na wala?

Pwede pwede... Kahit yun mga HTiB pwede din sir... ang tanong is: Is it worth doing? Meron naman nabibili na AVR na meron na agad... ;)

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« Reply #3541 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:23 AM »
pa-order nga ng 1 amp casing para kay muning ko!  ;D ;D ;D


anong kulay gusto mo kapatid?  ;D ;D ;D


eto nga nakabalot na ayaw pa din lubayan hahaha!  ;D


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« Reply #3542 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:26 AM »
Brader - dami na kasi nagsasabi at nakapag-testing that the power ratings listed by avr manufacturers are a bit bloated. Yung 100watts nila eh parang 35-50watts lang :P

Kung kaya 100watts of clean & pure power, I think it would be a good compromise between average and power users. alam mo naman sa hobby natin - there is no such thing as having too much power!  ;D May volume control naman eh :D
Its easy to say that any amp could fill a living room with sound - but what kind of sound?
Iba din pag may headroom ka and your amps would be appreciated by those using less efficient speakers or those who prefer 4ohm load speakers.



Ay hindi pwede yun bloated, tiyan lang natin pwede bloated Brader pero yun amp rating dapat tunay...  ;D ;D ;D

Kung ganun parang Baby G amps ang laman nun kung 35-50 watts lang ang power diba? Tama ka target natin 100W up of clean power. ;)

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Tapos pa THX certified mo  :D ;D

Wala ako contact kay George Lucas eh...  :P :P :P

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« Reply #3543 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:45 AM »

Pwede pwede... Kahit yun mga HTiB pwede din sir... ang tanong is: Is it worth doing? Meron naman nabibili na AVR na meron na agad... ;)

Oh, definitely so brader!
AVRs with pre-outs starts in the mid to high end models - ang mga entry level AVRs eh halos walang pre-outs.
If you can really do it then I think this will open a huge market to expand your new poweramp project. Pipila sa iyo yung mga may entry level ng AVRs para lagyan mo ng pre-outs (kahit may additional external casing cguro) tapos kukuha din sila sa iyo ng poweramps! win-win scenario master! ;D

Better yet cguro - kung plano nila mag poweramps at magpapagawa sila sa iyo ng pre-outs - baka pwede mo na alisin or patayin yung amp section ng avr nila para ala-processor nalang silbi ng avr.
You do get better sonics sa processing pag walang amp power - tama ba?

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« Reply #3544 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:57 AM »

Eto kasi si Kagawad dati ang sabi dapat 100W ang minimum. Result ng research ko kagabi kailangan daw amp pang HT should produce clean sound, maganda transient response,clean sound , low distortion at rated power, tapos clean sound ulit  ;D


Bakit puros clean sound?

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« Reply #3545 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:09 PM »
Oh, definitely so brader!
AVRs with pre-outs starts in the mid to high end models - ang mga entry level AVRs eh halos walang pre-outs.
If you can really do it then I think this will open a huge market to expand your new poweramp project. Pipila sa iyo yung mga may entry level ng AVRs para lagyan mo ng pre-outs (kahit may additional external casing cguro) tapos kukuha din sila sa iyo ng poweramps! win-win scenario master! ;D

Better yet cguro - kung plano nila mag poweramps at magpapagawa sila sa iyo ng pre-outs - baka pwede mo na alisin or patayin yung amp section ng avr nila para ala-processor nalang silbi ng avr.
You do get better sonics sa processing pag walang amp power - tama ba?


May punto ka Brader, this will truly open new avenues for our HT users. Sulit talaga ang pagpunta ko nun Saturday, or was it really intended to be? Imagine na-cancel yun isang very important meeting ko diba?  ;D ;D ;D

No, wag natin alisin para flexible pa din yun AVR, the built-in amps will only consume idle power when not driving any load naman.  ;)

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« Reply #3546 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:11 PM »
Bakit puros clean sound?


Nagtataka nga din ako sir, almost lahat ng google ko about HT amps stressed kailangan clean sounding amp. This probably relates to transparency... ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #3547 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM »
Yikes!!! Siguradong hindi magiinit ang amp na yan eh comfortable na comfortable ang kuting.  Surely maganda patutunguhan ng amp na ito. ;D ;D ;D


pano kaya ako matatapos nito ang sarap ng tulog sa casing ng amp tsk tsk tsk...




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« Reply #3548 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:27 PM »
So Jojo...since video is not the issue then HDMI is not a priority.  I can see that you want to experience the HT sound so then the amps and the processors are your main concern.  At least your problem is only 50% because 50% of the HT system is also the video quality.  Tamang tama yan....puwedeng hinay hinay lang.

Gawa ka muna ng 2 stereo and 2 mono amp for a 5.1 setup.  Then maybe you can design the stereo amp to be brindgeable para maging mono.  So you can add amps later na lang. Gainclone will be your best bet for clean sound.

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« Reply #3549 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM »

May punto ka Brader, this will truly open new avenues for our HT users. Sulit talaga ang pagpunta ko nun Saturday, or was it really intended to be? Imagine na-cancel yun isang very important meeting ko diba?  ;D ;D ;D

No, wag natin alisin para flexible pa din yun AVR, the built-in amps will only consume idle power when not driving any load naman.  ;)

Actually, if you are thinking of doing monoblock power amps for HT purposes, I would say that these are useful mainly for the 3 main speakers - LCR. More or less even ang requirements nila kasi most of the dialogue goes through the center channel but the LR channels get a lot of effects.

For the rest of the speakers, there is much less power requirement at di rin sila sabay2 na nangangailangan ng power. Therefore, it's not really efficient to use monoblocks for the other speakers. Kung 7-channel ang HT mo, pwedeng 4-channel amp na lang for the rest of the speakers, sharing a common power supply or even, as you suggest, use the internal power amp of the AVR.
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« Reply #3550 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:40 PM »
Yikes!!! Siguradong hindi magiinit ang amp na yan eh comfortable na comfortable ang kuting.  Surely maganda patutunguhan ng amp na ito. ;D ;D ;D





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« Reply #3551 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM »
So Jojo...since video is not the issue then HDMI is not a priority.  I can see that you want to experience the HT sound so then the amps and the processors are your main concern.  At least your problem is only 50% because 50% of the HT system is also the video quality.  Tamang tama yan....puwedeng hinay hinay lang.

Gawa ka muna ng 2 stereo and 2 mono amp for a 5.1 setup.  Then maybe you can design the stereo amp to be brindgeable para maging mono.  So you can add amps later na lang. Gainclone will be your best bet for clean sound.


Very true, well, at least for my needs and because of the limited space in the house. Pero I still would like to venture with HDMI because my WDTV has it, my future LCD and Mede8er 300X may have it too so gusto ko try.

That's a good idea but maintaining SQ when on bridge mode is kinda tricky. I'm currently using Gainclones in my 2.1 setup, even the sub runs on bridge-parallel mode putting out clean 392W at 4 ohms. Gusto ko mag multi-channel naman, besides sasamantalahin ko na din kasi pwede daw sabi ni misis.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #3552 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM »

Nagtataka nga din ako sir, almost lahat ng google ko about HT amps stressed kailangan clean sounding amp. This probably relates to transparency... ;D ;D ;D

Para walang buhay pag puros clean sound dba.

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« Reply #3553 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM »
Actually, if you are thinking of doing monoblock power amps for HT purposes, I would say that these are useful mainly for the 3 main speakers - LCR. More or less even ang requirements nila kasi most of the dialogue goes through the center channel but the LR channels get a lot of effects.

For the rest of the speakers, there is much less power requirement at di rin sila sabay2 na nangangailangan ng power. Therefore, it's not really efficient to use monoblocks for the other speakers. Kung 7-channel ang HT mo, pwedeng 4-channel amp na lang for the rest of the speakers, sharing a common power supply or even, as you suggest, use the internal power amp of the AVR.


That's very true Sir Mark, my plan is to build a tri-mono amp or 3 monoblocks for the LCR channels and let the receiver power up the surrounds, maximizing each amp's use.

The problem I face with the tri-mono is that it may not be applicable for audio because of the extra Center channel, while if I build monoblocks, anybody can just use 2 for audio or 3 for HT (LCR) applications.

I believe that all of my worries would be answered easier if I start building my HT setup.  ;D

Ikaw naman kasi pinapanood mo pa yun Top Gun sa akin eh...  ;D

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« Reply #3554 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:00 PM »
Para walang buhay pag puros clean sound dba.

Sagot na kasi nun DD/DTS processor yun tonal compensation sir, kaya kailangan masunurin yun power amp, unlike sa audio. Especially helpful daw yun ganun amp for timbre matching.


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« Reply #3555 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:06 PM »
Actually, if you are thinking of doing monoblock power amps for HT purposes, I would say that these are useful mainly for the 3 main speakers - LCR. More or less even ang requirements nila kasi most of the dialogue goes through the center channel but the LR channels get a lot of effects.

For the rest of the speakers, there is much less power requirement at di rin sila sabay2 na nangangailangan ng power. Therefore, it's not really efficient to use monoblocks for the other speakers. Kung 7-channel ang HT mo, pwedeng 4-channel amp na lang for the rest of the speakers, sharing a common power supply or even, as you suggest, use the internal power amp of the AVR.

A good idea sir Mark - pag tipid mode, pwedeng LCR lang ang lagyan ng preouts - tapos bili ng 3 monoblock amps. Use the remaining avr power for the surrounds.

Master Jo - good point din yun na wag nalang patayin yung power ng avr para mas versatile nga (but willing ako patayin if its for me lang for any sonic benefits ;D )

The question of whether master jojo would still be enticed to make 2ch or 4ch amps (in lower power?) to either match (or not) the monoblocks is totally up to him.
But for me, all HT amps in the same design consideration looks bada$$!  :D ;D

Master Jo - I would be willing to send to you my xmas prize if you can integrate pre-outs to it  ;)

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« Reply #3556 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:28 PM »

That's very true Sir Mark, my plan is to build a tri-mono amp or 3 monoblocks for the LCR channels and let the receiver power up the surrounds, maximizing each amp's use.

The problem I face with the tri-mono is that it may not be applicable for audio because of the extra Center channel, while if I build monoblocks, anybody can just use 2 for audio or 3 for HT (LCR) applications.

I believe that all of my worries would be answered easier if I start building my HT setup.  ;D

Ikaw naman kasi pinapanood mo pa yun Top Gun sa akin eh...  ;D

Mas flexible nga ang 3 monoblocks as compared to tri-mono.

Top Gun is a typical film for the wow factor cuz it has some of the best panning (left to right, front to back, down to up) but another aspect of HT listening is multi-channel music. Purists will scoff at anything that is not stereo but in truth, there is nothing sacred about using 2-channel audio for music. In a good system, I believe that multi-channel music trumps stereo. It's just more immersive and provides a much bigger sweet spot.

When I get my 5-channel Emotiva power amp (so that panay external amps ako) and after doing a little more tweaking of acoustic treatment and calibration, invite ko uli kayo for some multi-channel music (concert) listening.
No room acoustic treatment is like running a Ferrari on ice.

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« Reply #3557 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:29 PM »

Ah ok na gets ko na Brader... parang 5.2 ang gagawin mo ano?  ;D ;D ;D

Naku naku, dami naghahanap ng LS Brader! Unfortunately, puro replacement na lang yun mga optocouplers wala pa ako mahanap na original types...  ;) ;) ;)

2.2 brader!!!! h3hehehh
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« Reply #3558 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:38 PM »
Likewise brader Cal ;D  Kahit wala ako IC or speaker wires mo, ayos lang :D

Oh, kitam - magkasama na tayo nung sabado hindi mo parin alam yung Sony? ::) Tsk Tsk......kaya pala kahit anong paramdam tungkol sa IC at speaker wires, wala parin epek ::)

  Sure ka ba talaga na gusto mo madinig ang DIY IC ko? ;) ;)   Tawagan nga kita, Brader Mardon!!! heheheheh

  Panay ang kulam mo ah kay brader JojoD!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #3559 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 01:43 PM »
  Sure ka ba talaga na gusto mo madinig ang DIY IC ko? ;) ;)   Tawagan nga kita, Brader Mardon!!! heheheheh

  Panay ang kulam mo ah kay brader JojoD!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Hayyy, sa presinto ka nalang magpaliwanag brader  :D :D

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« Reply #3560 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 02:53 PM »
When I get my 5-channel Emotiva power amp (so that panay external amps ako) and after doing a little more tweaking of acoustic treatment and calibration, invite ko uli kayo for some multi-channel music (concert) listening.

ayan na - eb na ulit!  ;D

I could only hope that master jojod would be among the regular attendees in every Leon Ginto EB ;)

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« Reply #3561 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 02:57 PM »
Hayyy, sa presinto ka nalang magpaliwanag brader  :D :D

Hahhahah Sensya na, kagawad, tao lang!!!
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« Reply #3562 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 03:05 PM »
Master Jo - could you possibly speculate (but im sure you already know) on the innards of these Marantz MA-500 mono-blocks?
Medyo curious lang ako kung paano nila na-achieve ang 125watts in such a small footprint tapos THX certified pa sila ::)

Pero syempre aproob na ako basta "JD Labs" certified!  ;D



Meron din pala silang 200watts/monoblock - MA-700:

http://www.marantz.com/pdfs/u_amp_ma500_bck.pdf
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« Reply #3563 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:11 PM »
Mas flexible nga ang 3 monoblocks as compared to tri-mono.

Top Gun is a typical film for the wow factor cuz it has some of the best panning (left to right, front to back, down to up) but another aspect of HT listening is multi-channel music. Purists will scoff at anything that is not stereo but in truth, there is nothing sacred about using 2-channel audio for music. In a good system, I believe that multi-channel music trumps stereo. It's just more immersive and provides a much bigger sweet spot.

When I get my 5-channel Emotiva power amp (so that panay external amps ako) and after doing a little more tweaking of acoustic treatment and calibration, invite ko uli kayo for some multi-channel music (concert) listening.

ayannnnnn naaaaaaaaaa yan ang iniintay ko, my hositng job ba ulit hehehehehe

congrats in advance sir mark
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« Reply #3564 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:34 PM »

Master Jo - good point din yun na wag nalang patayin yung power ng avr para mas versatile nga (but willing ako patayin if its for me lang for any sonic benefits ;D )




Electronically speaking, I see no sonic benefits Brader kung papatayin yun mga built-in power amps... ;)

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Master Jo - I would be willing to send to you my xmas prize if you can integrate pre-outs to it  ;)


Brader, looks like I will have to suspend JD Labs operations muna, all current, pending and planned (yun nasagutan ko na) projects are still go though. Gusto ko muna make time for myself este my own projects ;D.

Aayusin ko muna mga kailangan ko, uumpisahan ko na sa sub para nakahanda na kahit 2.1 lang muna. May nakakalat pa dito na 12" Targa at 12" Cyclone na pwede na maumpisahan. Then 32" LCD monitor ang next dahil may source (WDTV) na naman ako. Then DIY center and surrounds speakers habang nagaabang ng receiver na may preouts. Tsaka tayo pupunta sa mga hundreds of Watts na monoblock amps hehehe...  ;D

Yan na at layout ko na plano ko sa aking simpleng HT yehey!  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #3565 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:42 PM »
Electronically speaking, I see no sonic benefits Brader kung papatayin yun mga built-in power amps... ;)


Brader, looks like I will have to suspend JD Labs operations muna, all current, pending and planned (yun nasagutan ko na) projects are still go though. Gusto ko muna make time for myself este my own projects ;D.

Aayusin ko muna mga kailangan ko, uumpisahan ko na sa sub para nakahanda na kahit 2.1 lang muna. May nakakalat pa dito na 12" Targa at 12" Cyclone na pwede na maumpisahan. Then 32" LCD monitor ang next dahil may source (WDTV) na naman ako. Then DIY center and surrounds speakers habang nagaabang ng receiver na may preouts. Tsaka tayo pupunta sa mga hundreds of Watts na monoblock amps hehehe...  ;D

Yan na at layout ko na plano ko sa aking simpleng HT yehey!  ;D ;D ;D

ayan na welcome to the club brader jo woooohooooo
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« Reply #3566 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:42 PM »
Mas flexible nga ang 3 monoblocks as compared to tri-mono.

Top Gun is a typical film for the wow factor cuz it has some of the best panning (left to right, front to back, down to up) but another aspect of HT listening is multi-channel music. Purists will scoff at anything that is not stereo but in truth, there is nothing sacred about using 2-channel audio for music. In a good system, I believe that multi-channel music trumps stereo. It's just more immersive and provides a much bigger sweet spot.

When I get my 5-channel Emotiva power amp (so that panay external amps ako) and after doing a little more tweaking of acoustic treatment and calibration, invite ko uli kayo for some multi-channel music (concert) listening.


Being a 2-channel person myself I understand why and what most purists are into, however, I would also like to try my tinkering-hungry hands on multi-channel, whether for music or movies. Always keep an open mind they say and enjoy.

I really enjoyed that Top Gun experience last Saturday sir Mark, makes me wonder how the movie Stealth would sound like too.  ;D

In that case, I'm looking forward for another theatrical and wonderful experience at your dream theater. Thanks  :)

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« Reply #3567 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:49 PM »
Master Jo - could you possibly speculate (but im sure you already know) on the innards of these Marantz MA-500 mono-blocks?
Medyo curious lang ako kung paano nila na-achieve ang 125watts in such a small footprint tapos THX certified pa sila ::)





Meron din pala silang 200watts/monoblock - MA-700:

http://www.marantz.com/pdfs/u_amp_ma500_bck.pdf

Brader, for that size it's not that hard to attain those power levels, halos kasing laki na ng UPS yan and isang channel lang naman ang laman...  ;) ;) ;)



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Pero syempre aproob na ako basta "JD Labs" certified!  ;D


A kumpare of mine who has a rather large bakery once said to me...

"huwag ka magbebenta ng tinapay na hindi mo kayang ipakain sa anak mo or sa sarili mo..."

 
I always try to adopt that statement into my projects, never build/sell projects that I myself wouldn't use.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #3568 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 05:54 PM »
ayannnnnn naaaaaaaaaa yan ang iniintay ko, my hositng job ba ulit hehehehehe

congrats in advance sir mark


kayo daw ulit ni brader Nelson... sana gamitin natin ulit yun mixer ni sir Gaol...  ;D ;D ;D


ayan na welcome to the club brader jo woooohooooo


naku wish me luck kapatid...  ;D

uy teka maiba naman ako... kailan ba tayo lulusob sa parokya ni Pareng Jim? ;D

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« Reply #3569 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 06:45 PM »
Electronically speaking, I see no sonic benefits Brader kung papatayin yun mga built-in power amps... ;)


Brader, looks like I will have to suspend JD Labs operations muna, all current, pending and planned (yun nasagutan ko na) projects are still go though. Gusto ko muna make time for myself este my own projects ;D.

Aayusin ko muna mga kailangan ko, uumpisahan ko na sa sub para nakahanda na kahit 2.1 lang muna. May nakakalat pa dito na 12" Targa at 12" Cyclone na pwede na maumpisahan. Then 32" LCD monitor ang next dahil may source (WDTV) na naman ako. Then DIY center and surrounds speakers habang nagaabang ng receiver na may preouts. Tsaka tayo pupunta sa mga hundreds of Watts na monoblock amps hehehe...  ;D

Yan na at layout ko na plano ko sa aking simpleng HT yehey!  ;D ;D ;D

Walang problema brader - sarap lang kasi pagusapan ang mga ganyan and hopefully sometime in the near future makakatulong yan sa mga HT enthusiasts! ;D
Goodluck sa iyong mga (HT) projects at cguro naman makakapost ka narin sa gallery thread ;)