Topic: speaker wires

[spy45cal]

Mga bro, im currently using audio pro 12ga for my front(5meters) and center(5meters) speaker, im planning to upgrade it... Ano ba ma-rerecomend nyo na speaker wire(12ga)?

TIA

[levi]

Try XLO, IXOS, ECOSSE etc

[spy45cal]

Try XLO, IXOS, ECOSSE etc

Mga how much kaya per meter ng XLO, IXOS and ECOSSE? Which of the three would you prefer for front and center?
For Surround speaker, what kind of speaker wire would you reccommend?

My set up:
front : Wharfe 9.5
center : Wharfe 9CM
Surround : Wharfe 9DFS
Sub : DTX 4.12
AVR : HK235

TIA

[deo]

Mga how much kaya per meter ng XLO, IXOS and ECOSSE? Which of the three would you prefer for front and center?
For Surround speaker, what kind of speaker wire would you reccommend?

My set up:
front : Wharfe 9.5
center : Wharfe 9CM
Surround : Wharfe 9DFS
Sub : DTX 4.12
AVR : HK235

TIA

XLO er-14 P100/ft sa Watts hi fi...for your surrounds kahit gauge 14-12 ok na... PM mo din audioworld...distributor ata sila ng XLO. kung gusto mo bi-wire eto: http://www.xloelectric.com/programs/productCategory.php?category=3&productCode=Ultra%2012&pictureSize=2 may stock ata ang audioworld nyan eh.

[spy45cal]

XLO er-14 P100/ft sa Watts hi fi...for your surrounds kahit gauge 14-12 ok na... PM mo din audioworld...distributor ata sila ng XLO. kung gusto mo bi-wire eto: http://www.xloelectric.com/programs/productCategory.php?category=3&productCode=Ultra%2012&pictureSize=2 may stock ata ang audioworld nyan eh.

Thanks bro, match kaya ito sa gears ko?
Totoo ba na kailangan match yung speaker cable (branded) na gamit mo sa speakers and receiver na gamit mo?
TIA

[rascal101]

Hindi po totoo iyan matching ng speaker cables.

[spy45cal]

Hindi po totoo iyan matching ng speaker cables.

Pero sir malaki ba ang difference ng performance ng branded cables (like xlo, eccose, ixos) compare to audio pro, quantum etc...

TIA

[rascal101]

Base sa experience ko hindi ko ma-distinguish iyung branded o hindi, silver man o copper. As such, ginamit ko iyung hindi sobrang cheap at hindi expensive - basta nasa Php 600 or less ok na. Gamit ko Klotz IC at DIY speaker cables (iyung 2 wire pair). Haoshao kasi sa akin mga mamahaling branded cable at kung meron man effect napaka subtle, hindi worth ng time ko. Puwede na Audio pro mo, di ka na mapapahiya.
 
Kung mahilig ka mag DIY sa IC ...

Bumili ka ng 2pcs 10uH na choke coil at 2pcs 2K resistor sa Alexan at i-connect mo iyung 1 coil at resistor in series. Iyung end points nito pupunta dun sa + and - signal rail nung left channel IC. Ulitin mo uli sa natitirang coil at resistor at ikabit naman sa right channel.

Iyung ganitong cable naiintindihan ko kasi may basehan. Iyung inductor tumataas iyung boltahe niya with respect to frequency dahil iyung di/dt (change of current with respect to time) tumataas. Labas nito magiging mas "bright" iyung tunog.

Kung sa speaker cables naman ...

Kung natatalasan ka naman sa tunog puwede ka maglagay ng 10nF capacitor dun sa speaker terminals mo. Kung di umubra lakihan mo, gawin mong 22nF.

[rascal101]

Karamihan sa mga branded na mamahaling speaker cables marketing o haoshao para sa akin. Kung totoo iyung sinasabi nila bakit di ganoong apparent iyung ganda? Mas malaki pa epekto ng paglalagay ng piyesa may sapat na values hindi iyung pF (1 x 10e-12) o nH (1 x 10e-9) na naka-quote sa specs nila.

[musika]

Bles the one who see the difference, just me

[deo]

you have to find out on your own.   kung gusto mo talaga marinig difference..mag bi-amp ka...pag di pa naman gumanda yan..ewan ko na lang. Ganda speakers mo...ganda rin pang music  Sayang naman kung chipipay na cables lang ilalagay mo.

[jerix]

you have to find out on your own.   kung gusto mo talaga marinig difference..mag bi-amp ka...pag di pa naman gumanda yan..ewan ko na lang. Ganda speakers mo...ganda rin pang music  Sayang naman kung chipipay na cables lang ilalagay mo.

Your also correct....But many are actually driven by the price factor. The brand and price of the cable seem to push people near heaven. Of course in this hobby of ours you are somebody if you have all these expensive gears and accessories. Just by looking at your gears many people think that you are an audiophile. But sometimes that illusion is itself an enjoyment that most of us would like to achieve. Which route should we take is dependent on the size of our pocket. 

[rascal101]

I would also like to point out that having expensive gears do not ensure that you have good sound. Sometimes even entry levels beats the expensive ones. Upgrade ka ng upgrade pero di ka lumilingon sa pinanggagalingan mo ayun full circle ka pala.

[oweidah]

I would also like to point out that having expensive gears do not ensure that you have good sound. Sometimes even entry levels beats the expensive ones. Upgrade ka ng upgrade pero di ka lumilingon sa pinanggagalingan mo ayun full circle ka pala.

tumpak! may tama ka sir rascal!
i call it - lateral upgrade- akala mo umangat ka na yun pala naiba lang ang tunog sa previous gears mo, extra gastos  lang benta mura old gears, dagdag pera for new gears.

imo its still  all  about component matching to achieve system synergy. maski di expensive gears basta nakuha mo timpla sa panlasa mo, ayos, palakpakan! pero minsan naman kamot-ulo five-star multiawarded gears but still panget ang dating di magustuhan ng may-ari. cant seem to figure out why?

[rascal101]

Lesson learned sa mga nag-uupgrade dapat may reference para alam mo kung nasaan ka na.

[spy45cal]

Thanks guys ha! Para tuloy ayaw ko na mag upgrade ng speaker cable, masyadong complicated...   Enjoy ko nalang yung present cable ko...

[spy45cal]

Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
TIA

[deo]

Kung ako sayo, ang pagandahin mo na lang ung HT room mo..jan ka mag invest..siguradong worth it ang kalalabasan..kahit di mamahalin ang gears mo..sabi nga ng isang member dito, 50% nung HT mo is ur HT room. teka 50% nga ba    basta my point is pag maganda ang room mo..siguradong maganda ang tunog

[rascal101]

Mas makapal ang AWG# 12 sa AWG# 14 hence mas mababa resistance niya. Kung mas mababa resistance mas mababa voltage drop and mas mababa power losses.

Basics
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Ohms Law

V = I x R
P = V x I
   = I^2 x R
   = V^2 /R

where,
V = voltage (volt)
I = current (ampere)
R = resistance (ohm)
P = power (watt)

Interpretation
------------------
1. Current and resistance is directly proportional to voltage.
This means that an increase in these two parameters results to an increase in voltage

2. Voltage and current is directly proportional to power.
This means that an increase of these two parameter results to an increase in power.

In wires
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R = rho x L / A

where,

rho = constant of resistivity (varies according to which material you use eg copper or silver)
- silver has lower constant of resistivity
L = length of wire
A = cross sectional area of wire

Interpretation
------------------
1. The length L is directly proportional to the resistance R.
This means that an increase in length results to an increase in resistance.

2. The cross sectional area A is inversely proportional to the resistance R.
This means that an increase in area means results to a decrease in resistance.

Mas makapal wire mas marami kuryente o current kaya. Actually hindi mo kailangan mataas na wire gauge kasi hindi naman constant iyung kuryente papunta sa speakers. Kaya nga kahit iyung AWG #20 kapag hinawakan mo hindi nag-iinit. Iyung ang ating basehan. Kung nag-iinit sa paghawak mo ibig sabihin hindi kaya nung wire kaya palitan ng mas mataas. Sa experience ko AWG #20 ok na.

[oweidah]

spy45cal

for me, 5 to 10%(max) of the total cost of my setup goes to ics & speaker cables.
cables are just a part of your whole setup,dapat magkasundo ang ic mo with source and amp; at ang speaker cables with the amp and speakers. component matching and system synergy ika nga ng mga audio gurus.

kung happy ka sa present cables mo, well and good. if you wana try new cables, its best that you audition it with your setup- how it will fit your needs, suit your taste. mahirap, pero thats the only way kasi mas mahirap yung uuwi ka bitbit bagong bili cables pero pag gamit mo na, kakamot-ulo ka - "bakit hindi yata ganito ang tunog nung nasa showroon ako ah?"

[spy45cal]

Kung ako sayo, ang pagandahin mo na lang ung HT room mo..jan ka mag invest..siguradong worth it ang kalalabasan..kahit di mamahalin ang gears mo..sabi nga ng isang member dito, 50% nung HT mo is ur HT room. teka 50% nga ba basta my point is pag maganda ang room mo..siguradong maganda ang tunog

Sir what do you mean pagandahin? As in dedicated HT room ba?

spy45cal

for me, 5 to 10%(max) of the total cost of my setup goes to ics & speaker cables.
cables are just a part of your whole setup,dapat magkasundo ang ic mo with source and amp; at ang speaker cables with the amp and speakers. component matching and system synergy ika nga ng mga audio gurus.

kung happy ka sa present cables mo, well and good. if you wana try new cables, its best that you audition it with your setup- how it will fit your needs, suit your taste. mahirap, pero thats the only way kasi mas mahirap yung uuwi ka bitbit bagong bili cables pero pag gamit mo na, kakamot-ulo ka - "bakit hindi yata ganito ang tunog nung nasa showroon ako ah?"

Sir ano ba yung ics? Tama ka sir mas maganda talaga kung home audition muna yung cable bago bilin...

[rascal101]

ICs - interconnect cables

[spy45cal]

Parang lalo ata ako naguluhan...

[bumblebee]

I think he means ok na yang 12ga mo.

[JojoD818]

Parang lalo ata ako naguluhan...

I think rascal is just proving to you (mathematically, at least) that it is not true.

I think he means ok na yang 12ga mo.

LOL! You just translated rascal's post in one sentence. 

[rascal101]

Akala ko sinabi ko na dun sa 1st paragraph na ok na iyung 12ga. Mas ok nga siya kaysa 14ga dahil mas makapal siya.   

[ericag_ph]

I use AWG 12 for speaker wires: 

I did some research a while back....
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/alt.home-theater/browse_thread/thread/b66be7abf6cc17ff/a03bfab073b5331c?lnk=st&q=ericag_ph+lamp+cord&rnum=1&hl=en#a03bfab073b5331c

Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
TIA

[spy45cal]

rascal101, bumblebee,  JojoD818, ericag_ph

Thanks mga bro...   Nakalimutan lang pala banggitin ni sir rascal101...   Now i understand... hehehe...

[JojoD818]

 

BTW, saan location mo sir? I see you use a 9.5 

[ATJr.]

Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
TIA

how long is your cable?, if it is just a 10 foot run, then even a ga18 lampcord will do....