Author Topic: speaker wires (Read 103883 times)

ATJr. · « **Reply #30 on:** Jul 19, 2006 at 06:26 PM »

Quote from: spy45cal on Jul 15, 2006 at 09:53 PM

Mga sir, is it true na kapag awg#12 cable ang ginamit mo while you only need is awg#14 cable may power loss?
TIA

me power loss no matter what type or size cable you use, that is a fact of life! the real question in my mind is wheter they should matter or not.....

av_phile1 · « **Reply #31 on:** Jul 20, 2006 at 10:13 AM »

Audibly, they don't matter. Check out some tests/write-ups performed at www.audioholics.com

ATJr. · « **Reply #32 on:** Jul 20, 2006 at 12:04 PM »

instead of whacking your brains about speaker wires, which in reality is a no brainer and a non-issue, why not go out and buy good dvd's not the pirated one's please

rascal101 · « **Reply #33 on:** Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38 PM »

Enjoy the music not the wires ...

av_phile1 · « **Reply #34 on:** Jul 21, 2006 at 03:07 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38 PM

Enjoy the music not the wires ...

Quote from: 2ny on Jul 20, 2006 at 12:04 PM

instead of whacking your brains about speaker wires, which in reality is a no brainer and a non-issue,

Very true.

But I can't blame people with lots of money to burn who often make non-issues a cause for sleepless nights.

ericag_ph · « **Reply #35 on:** Jul 27, 2006 at 04:18 PM »

Well said

Quote from: rascal101 on Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38 PM

Enjoy the music not the wires ...

JojoD818 · « **Reply #36 on:** Jul 27, 2006 at 10:46 PM »

Quote from: av_phile1 on Jul 21, 2006 at 03:07 PM

But I can't blame people with lots of money to burn who often make non-issues a cause for sleepless nights.

True indeed. Who knows, maybe aside from the music, these people also enjoy the thought of having a better speaker wire.

ericag_ph · « **Reply #37 on:** Jul 28, 2006 at 09:45 AM »

I suspect this is like the "placebo effect" ... 2 sets of people were given real medicine and the others given a placebo (no medicine, but they thought it was medicine they were taking). Believe it or not, people got better even when taking the placebo.

So people who buy branded speaker wires will actually believe they hear better music. It's all in the mind, and one day, maybe they'll just plug entertainment directly into our brains, and we'll have no need for TVs, speakers, etc...

Quote from: JojoD818 on Jul 27, 2006 at 10:46 PM

True indeed. Who knows, maybe aside from the music, these people also enjoy the thought of having a better speaker wire.

JojoD818 · « **Reply #38 on:** Jul 28, 2006 at 11:21 AM »

If buying expensive speaker wires can give a person their peace of mind then this would be one of those rather scarce moments when we can buy peace of mind.

I agree with it's all in the mind thing, that's why it's confusing most of the time.

kpy555 · « **Reply #39 on:** Jul 28, 2006 at 05:01 PM »

Hi Guys!

Just to share some facts on speaker cables:

You can actually use a 24 AWG (GA) size speaker cable to as long as 20 feet with only 0.5dB loss. A 12 AWG speaker cable, on the other hand, can be as long as 285 feet. These are assuming that the speaker impedance is 8 ohms.

Nevertheless, losses may still increase if the materials used in the speaker cable are inferior (e.g. low quality copper, oxidation, poor insulation / dielectric).

Baluts · « **Reply #40 on:** Jul 30, 2006 at 03:32 AM »

guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?

ericag_ph · « **Reply #41 on:** Jul 31, 2006 at 10:45 AM »

Length vs gauge of wires matter.

For longer runs, you need thicker gauge "daw". For 30 ft == 10 meters, I'd use 12 AWG...that's what I use.
You can use 10 AWG also, but for me it was too thick and impractical.

Quote from: luts on Jul 30, 2006 at 03:32 AM

guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?

deo · « **Reply #42 on:** Aug 04, 2006 at 06:23 AM »

Quote from: spy45cal on Jul 18, 2006 at 01:40 PM

Sir what do you mean pagandahin? As in dedicated HT room ba?

Not necessary, take matzter's HT room as an example. Naka carpet, and may accoustic treatment ang mga walls. This will ensure na di mag bbounce ang at gagaralgal ang sound.

(feeling audiophile)

kpy555 · « **Reply #43 on:** Aug 05, 2006 at 02:23 PM »

Quote from: luts on Jul 30, 2006 at 03:32 AM

guys i have a room na i think kailangan nya ng 30ft. long na speaker cable for the surround speaker. are you saying na it doesnt matter which guage of cables i choose even if ung speakers ko is 150 watts?

16AWG or 14AWG will do. I have Belden speaker cables available. Just PM me if interested. Thanks!

JT · « **Reply #44 on:** Aug 22, 2006 at 08:10 PM »

Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).

Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables

* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.

jojitv · « **Reply #45 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 07:21 AM »

Quote from: JT on Aug 22, 2006 at 08:10 PM

Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).

Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables

* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.

Wow, great buy ito at 2.2k ah.

spy45cal · « **Reply #46 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 08:06 AM »

saan nakakabili nyan?

JT · « **Reply #47 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 11:00 AM »

Quote from: spy45cal on Aug 23, 2006 at 08:06 AM

saan nakakabili nyan?

Upss sorry forgot to mention, its from Challenger shop, Singapore. Sells like hotcakes here kasi yung MONSTER component cable pa lang eh worth 80sgd na.

spy45cal · « **Reply #48 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 08:42 PM »

Quote from: JT on Aug 23, 2006 at 11:00 AM

Upss sorry forgot to mention, its from Challenger shop, Singapore. Sells like hotcakes here kasi yung MONSTER component cable pa lang eh worth 80sgd na.

nyek! layo mo pala bro... manila pa ko eh... how much kaya aabutin kung pa LBC?

backdraft · « **Reply #49 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 11:32 PM »

san sa singapore yan bro. may website ba?

JT · « **Reply #50 on:** Aug 23, 2006 at 11:55 PM »

Wala yatang online orders sa challenger shop eh. Here's the url:
http://www.challenger.com.sg/

Heto naman yung url nung Monster cable:
http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/productPage_HTIB.asp?pin=1597

paolorenzo · « **Reply #51 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 07:16 AM »

Try sending a PM to ginamos. See his services here.

Munskie · « **Reply #52 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 07:40 AM »

am rarin to get ecosse cs 2.3 but did some ht shop hoppin yesterday, unfortunately walang stock evrywhere..

marckd1 · « **Reply #53 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 09:38 AM »

Quote from: Munskie on Aug 24, 2006 at 07:40 AM

am rarin to get ecosse cs 2.3 but did some ht shop hoppin yesterday, unfortunately walang stock evrywhere..

Munskie, ilang meters ang kailangan mo? I think I saw one shop that selling ecosse 2.3 here in Makati.

Munskie · « **Reply #54 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 09:43 AM »

I need three x 2meters, so total of 6 meters, pa pm naman ng price and the location........

thanks a lot marc

JT · « **Reply #55 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 11:31 AM »

Quote from: JT on Aug 22, 2006 at 08:10 PM

Its about time to upgrade my speaker wires. I bought this today at Challenger for only 65sgd (2.2k pesos).

Monster All-In-One Home Theater Connection Kit with Component Cables

* Speaker cables have three times more copper content than ordinary cables for greater power transfer.
* Includes adapters for Sony® Dream Systems and Kenwood® system compatibility.
* Additional 10 ft. Monster® subwoofer cable for non-powered or passive subwoofers.
* All the right lengths of high performance speaker cable: 2 - 20 ft. front, 1 - 10 ft. center, and 2 - 35 ft. rear.
* High performance 8 ft. component video cable for improved home theater performance.
* DoubleHelix™ windings provide less loss and lower attenuation.
* Bonus speaker cable clamps included.

I manage to setup the cables yesterday evening kaya puyat at kakarating lang ng opis. Epektib, may libre palang subwoofer cable for passive at active. Good buy talaga kasi from component at subwoofer cable pa lang eh worth more than 100sgd na ito. Parang bonus na lang yung 5.1 cables.

After the upgrade, I can confirm good cables do improve AV quality.

Using Star Wars Episode 3 as the demo disc:
After using the component cables, mas brighter ang colors nung projector output. I setup the cables then I also use the subwoofer cable as digital coax cable, laki din ng improvement. May mga sounds effects na previously mahina eh lumakas at noticeable na. Dati rin, nasa +30 ang volume now at +35 eh oks na.

jojitv · « **Reply #56 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 11:56 AM »

Quote from: Munskie on Aug 24, 2006 at 09:43 AM

I need three x 2meters, so total of 6 meters, pa pm naman ng price and the location........ thanks a lot marc

tsk tsk tsk. Lumalala ata SARS mo ah. Hehehe

Munskie · « **Reply #57 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 12:24 PM »

di naman sir, hehehe...ok naman kasi reviews ng ecosse 2.3, sir marc...somebody has informed me na wala na rin stock sa AA....wait na lang cguro ako next month...

thanks for the offer though, ang babait talaga ng mga taga pinoydvd!!!

MAtZTER · « **Reply #58 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 02:10 PM »

I use Ecosse 2.3 for my HF and IXOS 6006 for my LF (bi amp). They are a very good combination.

Ricky used to tell me that he doesnt believe in speaker cables. But when he came to our house to watch our demo disk project, I was experimenting on using the IXOS 6006 for my HF. It was too bright and many of the scenes we were watching were ear piercing. So I switched back to Ecosse 2.3 for the HF. And there, it was back to the crisp, clear sound (same scene) he used to hear in my setup. But he also noticed that some details were missing compared to before. I actually was experimenting using my IXOS 606 PAkora for the LF that time. Thanks ricky for your observations.

So my discovery, based on my personal experience this month experimenting w/ 4 speaker cables, is that bright cables like Ecosse and IXOS 6006 are suited for HT. It brings out the details and crispiness you need to hear from your speakers. Also good for instrumental music where you need to hear the HF and crisp mids.

Sweet sounding, laid back, etc, whatchamacallit cables are good for music, particularly vocals. This is my experience with IXOS 606 Pakora, VERY nice for audio. Lush vocals and very rich mids, wide soundstage. The difference was noticeable right away coming from using bright cables for a long time. I also experienced this with my BADA speaker cable, ito very laid back, parang polished yung vocals.

MAtZTER · « **Reply #59 on:** Aug 24, 2006 at 02:17 PM »

Ang problema ko ngayon, eh I am speaker cable "rolling" with the different speaker wire characteristics.

Kung baga sa tube: "tube rolling", palit palit based on your listening preference or type of music. Its tedious and magastos. $:-\$

What I can say regarding different speaker cables is: They are all good naman, but DIFFERENT from each other. No cable is "pangit" cuz it still depends on a lot of factors like system matching, type of use (HT or audio).