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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1380 on: Sep 01, 2006 at 10:02 AM »
I havent tried the SW-250, but the SW150 is good for music but bitin for HT, IME.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1381 on: Sep 01, 2006 at 05:31 PM »
what's the ideal receiver for the wharfedale diamonds?

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1382 on: Sep 02, 2006 at 09:08 PM »
what's the ideal receiver for the wharfedale diamonds?

Most popular combination would be the Yamaha & Wharfs.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1383 on: Sep 03, 2006 at 08:33 AM »
If I go by the wharfe's 6-ohm nominal impedance rating, a receiver with a recommended 6-ohm speaker should be a perfect match as far as maximum power transfer is concerned.  In that area, Onkyo seems to fit the bill, being power rated at 6 ohms. 

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1384 on: Sep 04, 2006 at 01:45 PM »
av_phile1

aside from the onkyo's, will the marantz make the wharfs sing?  Seriously considering the marantz because of the pre-outs,

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1385 on: Sep 04, 2006 at 01:48 PM »
I see no reason why it can't.
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1386 on: Sep 12, 2006 at 09:02 AM »
Update guys...

I've already got a Yammy RX-V457... and Wharf 9.DFS... and ordered a Wharf 9.2 na rin... unti-unti lang muna... ;D tsaka na yung center and sub (yung sub, undecided pa naman ako what to get eh)...

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1387 on: Sep 12, 2006 at 01:01 PM »
Update guys...

I've already got a Yammy RX-V457... and Wharf 9.DFS... and ordered a Wharf 9.2 na rin... unti-unti lang muna... ;D tsaka na yung center and sub (yung sub, undecided pa naman ako what to get eh)...

get the subs last. unahim mo fronts then the center chanel. IMHO i would have picked up the 9.2 and the rx-v457 first so that you can use it already. just my .02 . pero nice choice of equipment, nice entry level and bang for the buck talga. :)

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1388 on: Sep 12, 2006 at 06:43 PM »
After several weeks ng pagiisip at pamimili ng magiging setup...
Finally, naumpisahan ko na newbie Setup ko. Not that complete (and nde din maganda), but somehow enough to convince my wife na iba talaga yung ganong setup compared sa mga pre-built na HT system tulad ng Sony. Hehe, maski sya atat na makaipon na ako para makabili ng new sets of speaker kapalit ng current speakers ko. Para daw siyang kinakantahan ni Martin Nievera at Regine Velasquez dahil sa  sobrang klaro ng tunog.
 
I decided kasi na pondohan muna yung receiver, then sa susunod na lang muna yung speakers.
And i got most of my inputs from this forum on which Receiver to use, considering yung preferences ko..
Anyway, eto po setup ko

Receiver : HK335 - got it kay RM 25% discount
Speakers : 6k lang lahat
Front : Wharfedale 8.1
Center : Kenwood CRS-156
Rear : Kenwood CRS-156
Sub : Bose Acoustimass SE 5

medyo bitin lang ako sa Sub talaga kasi passive sya.. Kaya pinagiisipan ko kung uunahin ko ba yung Sub or FloorStanding Speakers...
Nde pa ako naka-audition ng Velo.. And so far yung nagustuhan ko na na-audition ko na sub e yung NHT..
anyone here na naka-audition na ng NHT? Sa festival mall ko sya na-try.
What can you say about Mordaunt Short Carnival 6 speakers, mas ok ba sya kesa Wharfedale? Mas mura sya e?
May naka-try na din ba dito ng F Series ng Aurum Cantus? I heard ok din daw sya and mura lang. Any idea  po mga bossing pati current price nya.

again, thanks..



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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1389 on: Sep 13, 2006 at 11:48 AM »
ledrahc,

Congrats bro, how much bili mo sa 335? Planning to replace my 235 - 335 eh...

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1390 on: Sep 13, 2006 at 10:43 PM »
get the subs last. unahim mo fronts then the center chanel. IMHO i would have picked up the 9.2 and the rx-v457 first so that you can use it already. just my .02 . pero nice choice of equipment, nice entry level and bang for the buck talga. :)

i'm already using it na rin naman... with an old, crappy sounding old JVC speakers...  ;D I'd probably get the Wharf 9.2 na rin naman on friday...  ;)

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1391 on: Sep 14, 2006 at 10:49 AM »
ledrahc,

Congrats bro, how much bili mo sa 335? Planning to replace my 235 - 335 eh...

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Very limited number of HK335 on sale daw at Acoustical space Megamall for only 27+k. May HK340 na kasi.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1392 on: Sep 14, 2006 at 12:16 PM »
27K+ po. Though, limted offer na nga lang. Inuubos na lang ata stock. 1 week before kasi ako bumili, 3 na lang daw. Dont know kung ilan na lang meron ngayon? Ask mo si RM. Bait naman kausap yun e. PM mo ako kung need mo number nya. Thanks

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1393 on: Sep 14, 2006 at 02:27 PM »
Very limited number of HK335 on sale daw at Acoustical space Megamall for only 27+k. May HK340 na kasi.

Naku, kailangan ko na ma-dispose agad yung 235 ko... How much kaya asking price ng 8months old 235?

27K+ po. Though, limted offer na nga lang. Inuubos na lang ata stock. 1 week before kasi ako bumili, 3 na lang daw. Dont know kung ilan na lang meron ngayon? Ask mo si RM. Bait naman kausap yun e. PM mo ako kung need mo number nya. Thanks

thanks bro, sa kanya ko rin nakuha yung 235 ko before, ill just contact him nalang...
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1394 on: Sep 15, 2006 at 11:05 PM »
get the subs last. unahim mo fronts then the center chanel. IMHO i would have picked up the 9.2 and the rx-v457 first so that you can use it already. just my .02 . pero nice choice of equipment, nice entry level and bang for the buck talga. :)
i'm already using it na rin naman... with an old, crappy sounding old JVC speakers...  ;D I'd probably get the Wharf 9.2 na rin naman on friday...  ;)

I've got the Wharf Dia 9.2 na kanina....  :D dapat ma-break in na agad....  ;D

Next: Center speaker....  8)

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1395 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 02:11 PM »
For a 10sq m room, ok ba ang HK 335 and mag floorstander like Missions or Monitor Audio?

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1396 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 02:28 PM »
In my experience (10sqm room in condo) , floorstanders were boomy at times specially if your room is bare cement walled & not acoustically treated.

I acoustically treated my 12sqm room to prevent this and later I upgraded to mid level series (more refined mids and tighter bass) of the speaker BUT with only 1 woofer. Now its just right for my room (but its treated acoustically).
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1397 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 03:39 PM »
It is correct for you to ask first based on your room size. If you look in magazines about topics on what type of speakers you should get, the first consideration is always room size.

It is common for people to go for floorstanders (FS) cuz they look better or whatever reason. But many bookshelf speakers can perform just as well (some even out perform). FS can go deeper but sometimes at the expense of clarity. Specially if you are into HT only where the subs take care of the LF, bookshelves are good enuf, specially if the room is small.

Next to consider would be the receiver. Remember that bigger FS's need more power to sound their best, same is the case with more power needed in big rooms. If you are on a budget and go for entry level receivers + FS, the receivers will drive it, but you may not be hearing it at its best. (No offense po to anyone  :), just sharing my realizations, according to my experience).

As an example, I have heard an Infinity Beta HCS speaker system (5 mini monitor speakers with 8"sub) driven by a powerful HK630, you would swear they were floorstanders if your eyes were closed. Iba talaga tunog pag busog ang speakers mo, kahit maliit .



When I was new to this hobby, I thought that FS = BkShelf + stands costwise. I forgot to factor in the more expensive AVR needed to drive the FS.

HK 330/335 (or Yamaha 1x00 series, Denon 28xx, etc.) is IMHO, the minimum recommendation for FS speakers. but thats just my 2 cents.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1398 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 03:41 PM »
Here are some of the most demanding scenes to test if you receiver can handle your speakers well:

Gangs of New York (DTS)- the scene from DTS Demo 8. Look for the cannon blasts, if they sound ear piercing... your AVR might be underpowered ( I experienced this myself)

The Haunting (DTS-ES)- Also from Demo 8. The part where the lady throws something to the window and the glass breaks...if its ear piercing....

Jurassic Park (DTS)- If the roar of the T-rex is "punchy" meaning you can feel the mids (NOT the sub) giving the force of the roar (malutong!).... you are powered well.

LF sounds draw a lot of power, thats why the HF are the first to suffer when there is a lack of power. A well powered setup would let you hear many details that were faint or inaudible in lower powered receivers. Thats because there is enough room (or power) to spare for all the necessary sounds to be heard.

Note: just sharing my experiences, coming from entry level gears, Not trying to spread SARS... :)

 
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1399 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 07:38 PM »

LF sounds draw a lot of power, thats why the HF are the first to suffer when there is a lack of power. A well powered setup would let you hear many details that were faint or inaudible in lower powered receivers. Thats because there is enough room (or power) to spare for all the necessary sounds to be heard.


And that is why you need a sufficiently powered sub to work for you - essentially using true bi-amping principles.  Bear in mind that frequencies below 150hz eat up 60% of the power reserves in any power amp, letting a good sub handle most of that pretty much leaves enough headroom for even a moderatey powered receiver to handle the rest of the frequencies.  Unless of course you have all the speakers set to LARGE.   ;D 

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1400 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 10:16 PM »
Sir AV,

A little enlightenment on this naman. I've read the manual of my amp but its not that clear to me. The difference between small and large settings. Does this anything to do with roomsize?

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Unless of course you have all the speakers set to LARGE.     


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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1401 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 10:40 PM »
Sir AV,

A little enlightenment on this naman. I've read the manual of my amp but its not that clear to me. The difference between small and large settings. Does this anything to do with roomsize?
 

TIA 


Small setting means you have conected a small speaker (cannot reproduce bass very well, like a bookshelf), large setting are for bigger speakers which can reproduce bass very well, such as floorstanders.

Look at your manual and check what low frequency your small speaker setting is set and the large and set it appropriate to your existing speakers.
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1402 on: Sep 20, 2006 at 11:54 PM »
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1403 on: Sep 21, 2006 at 10:35 AM »
A tip I got from the guy I got my HT from is that even when you actually have a large speaker (i.e. floorstander or a large bookshelf)....you can configure it to small and leave the low frequency work to the subwoofer.....for some receivers kasi setting to small automatically results in low frequency signals are sent to the subwoofer.....

ALthough doing the above may result in a reduction in sound quality ;D
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1404 on: Sep 21, 2006 at 02:43 PM »
A tip I got from the guy I got my HT from is that even when you actually have a large speaker (i.e. floorstander or a large bookshelf)....you can configure it to small and leave the low frequency work to the subwoofer.....for some receivers kasi setting to small automatically results in low frequency signals are sent to the subwoofer.....

ALthough doing the above may result in a reduction in sound quality ;D

On the contrary, leaving the receiver in SMALL will allow it to work better with low mids to high frequencies and not bother with current-hungry low frequencies which can eat up to 60% of the available current from the power supply.   Hence, the main speakers belting out only the mids and highs can have clearer definition and airiness as all the power from the recever at any given volume setting are made available to a narrower bandwidth.  In short, ths mids and highs can enjoy greater headroom so you get undistorted peaks.  This is actually true bi-amping in principle and operation. 
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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1405 on: Sep 22, 2006 at 10:06 AM »
Here are some of the most demanding scenes to test if you receiver can handle your speakers well:

Gangs of New York (DTS)- the scene from DTS Demo 8. Look for the cannon blasts, if they sound ear piercing... your AVR might be underpowered ( I experienced this myself)

The Haunting (DTS-ES)- Also from Demo 8. The part where the lady throws something to the window and the glass breaks...if its ear piercing....

Jurassic Park (DTS)- If the roar of the T-rex is "punchy" meaning you can feel the mids (NOT the sub) giving the force of the roar (malutong!).... you are powered well.

LF sounds draw a lot of power, thats why the HF are the first to suffer when there is a lack of power. A well powered setup would let you hear many details that were faint or inaudible in lower powered receivers. Thats because there is enough room (or power) to spare for all the necessary sounds to be heard.

Just to add, huskiness of voice (usually during narration) is also pretty different when your amps are well powered.

Watch Jarhead and Lord of War and listen to the huskiness of the voice as Jake Gylenhal and Nick Cage narrates during the movie.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1406 on: Sep 23, 2006 at 07:37 AM »
It is correct for you to ask first based on your room size. If you look in magazines about topics on what type of speakers you should get, the first consideration is always room size.

It is common for people to go for floorstanders (FS) cuz they look better or whatever reason. But many bookshelf speakers can perform just as well (some even out perform). FS can go deeper but sometimes at the expense of clarity. Specially if you are into HT only where the subs take care of the LF, bookshelves are good enuf, specially if the room is small.

Next to consider would be the receiver. Remember that bigger FS's need more power to sound their best, same is the case with more power needed in big rooms. If you are on a budget and go for entry level receivers + FS, the receivers will drive it, but you may not be hearing it at its best. (No offense po to anyone  :), just sharing my realizations, according to my experience).

As an example, I have heard an Infinity Beta HCS speaker system (5 mini monitor speakers with 8"sub) driven by a powerful HK630, you would swear they were floorstanders if your eyes were closed. Iba talaga tunog pag busog ang speakers mo, kahit maliit .



When I was new to this hobby, I thought that FS = BkShelf + stands costwise. I forgot to factor in the more expensive AVR needed to drive the FS.

HK 330/335 (or Yamaha 1x00 series, Denon 28xx, etc.) is IMHO, the minimum recommendation for FS speakers. but thats just my 2 cents.



Sir,

I stand corrected. I measured my room again and it seems that it falls to 15sqm.  It's actually almost square shaped. I want a floordstander setup sana.  Will my room size qualify for it or just bookshelves talaga.

One more question..though I think this is OT, where do I buy sufficient carpeting to cover the the floor of my room? How much kaya magagastos ko sa carpeting alone.  I think reflective kasi yung floor bg room ko.

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Re: Suggestion for AV Receiver and Speakers
« Reply #1407 on: Sep 25, 2006 at 11:17 AM »
Sir,

I stand corrected. I measured my room again and it seems that it falls to 15sqm.  It's actually almost square shaped. I want a floordstander setup sana.  Will my room size qualify for it or just bookshelves talaga.

One more question..though I think this is OT, where do I buy sufficient carpeting to cover the the floor of my room? How much kaya magagastos ko sa carpeting alone.  I think reflective kasi yung floor bg room ko.

Read around at the setting up thread, there is someone there selling carpets. Mine I got from Shell Canvass.

For a 15 sqm room, either BS or floorstanders are ok, but I would personally recommend signle woofer floorstanders. Just my 2 cents.

If your FS decision turns out to be boomy, I met a guy who does acoustic panels and bass traps for a reasonable price. He hangs out with Rene Rivo (hyperaudio a lot) one corner trap would cost about 4k.

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Need your Advise/Help re: HT set-up
« Reply #1408 on: Oct 31, 2006 at 10:56 PM »
Hi, newbie here. Im planning to set-up a HT. The room is about 15-18 sq.m. The recommendations of 2 diff. shops that i approached gave me the ff proposals..

Option A: Front speakers      Paradigm Phantom series
                Center speaker      Paradigm CC170
               Rear speakers       Dali R 1000
               Subwoofer             REL R205
               Receiver              Yamaha RXV 659 7.1
               DVD player         Yamaha DVD 657

Option B: Front speakers     B&W DM 309
                Center speaker     B&W LCR-60
                Rear speakers      Wharfedale Diamond 9 DFS dipole
                Subwoofer        B&W ASW-600
                Receiver      Denon AVR-3805 7.1
                DVD player         Pioneer DV-393

Which is better,  option A or B? which among the speakers are better

am also planning to get the Panasonic AE 900 projector.. however im confused whether to get a fixed screen or motorized screen. What are the pros and cons of one over the other?

Hope you guys can help.... Thanks a lot  ;D


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Re: Need your Advise/Help re: HT set-up
« Reply #1409 on: Nov 01, 2006 at 08:10 AM »
Hi, newbie here. Im planning to set-up a HT. The room is about 15-18 sq.m. The recommendations of 2 diff. shops that i approached gave me the ff proposals..

Option A: Front speakers      Paradigm Phantom series
                Center speaker      Paradigm CC170
               Rear speakers       Dali R 1000
               Subwoofer             REL R205
               Receiver              Yamaha RXV 659 7.1
               DVD player         Yamaha DVD 657

Option B: Front speakers     B&W DM 309
                Center speaker     B&W LCR-60
                Rear speakers      Wharfedale Diamond 9 DFS dipole
                Subwoofer        B&W ASW-600
                Receiver      Denon AVR-3805 7.1
                DVD player         Pioneer DV-393

Which is better,  option A or B? which among the speakers are better



The Paradigm Phantom on one net site (avrev.com)  has a $399 SRP.  I don't know what it's local price is but I think an equivalent tower-type wharfedale diamond 9.5 or 9.6 ($800 -$900 on the net) is a better value proposition based on local prices.

With regards the B&W 300 series, I am not impressed with them.  I prefer to start with their 600 series.  That's where you get your money's worth.   I am sure the newer tower-type models have better bass.  But in terms of mids and highs, being just a derivative of the multi-awarded DM300 bookshelf types, they'd be sounding the same in those ranges.  Good-sounding but overpriced for their performance.   Their cones use woven glass fiber which mimics kevlar weaves in their higher models.  I personally prefer kevlar based cones.  So if you want tower-type speakers, IMO nothing beats the price-performance of a Diamond 9.5 or 9.6 at local prices. 

But I suggest you audition the speakers offered, compare between and with other brands, like the wharfedale diamond 9.5/9.6.  Then you decide which is better for your ears. 

REL brand is highly regarded specializing in upscale subwoofers.  The R205 I think is just a notch higher than their entry level quake model but is considered a true sub-bass performer.  I own a B&W ASW600 which provides excellent price performance.  I would love to own the R205 but it's beyond my means.     

With regards AVRs, the Denon 3805 is at a higher price range and performance level than the yamaha 659.  I personally would prefer it over the 659.  I have no special preferrence on the surrounds and players you mentioned.

And if those 2 options are engraved in marble, and I have to make a choice, based on specs and reputation alone, I'd choose option B.  The Denon/B&W combo is hard to beat.  The only sure winner in the first option is the REL sub.  But that's just me.  I really suggest you audition and compare.  If the sound quality your hear isn't a night and day difference for you, either options will pass. And option B is actually attractive for its REL sub.  But if you can have the better items from both options, that would be great, though I am sure the package would be more expensive.  See if you can get a similar price deal with an all Diamond 9.5/Denon/REL combination.

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am also planning to get the Panasonic AE 900 projector.. however im confused whether to get a fixed screen or motorized screen. What are the pros and cons of one over the other?

Isn' this just an issue of convinience?  I'd prefer a motorized screen.




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